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737-700ER Future Operators & Routes  
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10163 times:

The 737-700ER is a Boeing Business Jet-inspired airplane, designed for long-range commercial applications. The airplane features the fuselage of the commercial 737-700 and the wings and landing gear of the larger 737-800. The high-performance derivative can fly up to 2,145 nautical miles farther than the current 737-700. With up to nine optional auxiliary fuel tanks and optional Blended Winglets, the 737-700ER is capable of flying up to 5,510 nautical miles."
-Boeing

ANA is the launch customer for these a/c, is there any other interest yet?

What routes will ANA place these on?

What routes could this a/c open in the future?


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User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 10036 times:

Maybe a route like Tokyo Narita - Calgary??

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User currently offlineFLALEFTY From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 10032 times:

Quoting DIA (Thread starter):
With up to nine optional auxiliary fuel tanks and optional Blended Winglets, the 737-700ER is capable of flying up to 5,510 nautical miles."

Wow!

That would be a long time for some future unfortunates sitting in the dreaded, middle seats of the 737G-ER! Also, I've got to wonder if the lavs and galleys on a 737G-ER would be sufficient to serve 100+ passengers over the course of a 12-hour flight.

That said, however, I can see a modest sub-market for smaller airlines serving long-thin routes.


User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 10022 times:
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I saw this on Boeing's web site and I too had the same thought. There is no question that the 73G-ER will have amazing range, but will it be attractive to airlines or only charters? Given CO's creativity in sending narrowbodies TATL, this could be a good fit though I am unsure as to whether having a subfleet would be worth it.


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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6716 posts, RR: 77
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9970 times:

Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 2):
That would be a long time for some future unfortunates sitting in the dreaded, middle seats of the 737G-ER!

It works on the B757, so why shouldn't it work on a B73G? Even sitting in a middle seat on a B747 or B777 is not so much better.


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User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9917 times:

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this item a specific design for NH like the 764 for DL and CO? I am all for this design, but it will be hard to optimize range because intercontinental routes tend to have a lot of baggage, and the auxillary fuel tanks take up cargo space. I think this plane will be a lot like the A319LR. Maybe airlines like JL or maybe possibly CO. This is purely speculation, though.
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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9917 times:
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I believe that GOL could buy some 737-700ER's in order to fly some South American routes like GIG/GRU-LIM, GIG/GRU-MAO-MEX and others.

They have a 101 B738 operation (with 67 confirmed plus 34 options) and i believe they can convert 3 to 6 into firm orders of 737-700ER.

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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9873 times:

Once AQ has the ability, they might jump on it, given that they already operate the 737-700 to the mainland.

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 3):
Given CO's creativity in sending narrowbodies TATL, this could be a good fit though I am unsure as to whether having a subfleet would be worth it.

Another possibility, but order more 787s before more narrowbodies for such services.

On the other hand, maybe CLE finally can get some additional transatlantic service!  Big grin

Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 2):
Also, I've got to wonder if the lavs and galleys on a 737G-ER would be sufficient to serve 100+ passengers over the course of a 12-hour flight.

I would imagine Boeing has thought of the lav issue (though I can't say for sure), just enlarging the lav storage is hardly an engineering feat to brag about in a press release.



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9866 times:

I think will we see the 737-700ER on thoes long routes served by TA, and CM from places like JFK and MIA to PTY and SAL. I think this truely will help everyone on these long drawn out routes.

The 700ER is a really solid idea for flights to places like HNL from the West Coast of California, IMHO.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9827 times:

Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 7):
On the other hand, maybe CLE finally can get some additional transatlantic service!

Hello year-round CLE-LGW service  Wink!


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9792 times:

I do not envy the individual who is stuck in the middle seat for a 5000+ mile journey

User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9660 times:

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 10):
do not envy the individual who is stuck in the middle seat for a 5000+ mile journey

Happens all the time in 747s, 767s, 777s, A330/340s...so sitting in the middle seat is nothing new. I've done it on an 18-hr flight( QF 747 LAX-SYD with a fuel diversion/stop in BNE), and I survived.



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User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9605 times:
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I tend to agree with CRGsFuture that Copa may be interested in the 737-700ER! It certainly would allow them to open up longer routes.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

Not sure how a middle seat on a 737-700ER would be any different than the middle seat of any other long range airliner. Ceiling is higher is all I can think of.

The 707, and DC-8 were long-haul workhorses for 30 years....with a single aisle.......and it wasn't that bad....really.
Been there. Done that.
Curiously, isn't the capacity of this new flavor of 737 about the same as the intercontinental 707-300?

With that said....perception is reality.
Meaning.
There will be a significant segment of the traveling population that would look down on such a small mode of transportation to leap such great distances.

Even though they don't have plans for them, and probably never will, I could see them in the employ of an SNBrussels type airline, serving far-flung locations in the 2nd and 3rd worlds (Africa)?

Maybe AQ to open up more of the interior U.S.?

Continental's new transAtlantic machine for secondary and possibly tertiary destinations?

A Ryanair, easyJet, Air Berlin jet that opens up North America?



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9552 times:

AA and CO have proven that long haul narrowbodies are still viable. Honestly, I would prefer the more personal service and faster boarding/deplaning a smaller jet offers on international flights, especially if it can save me a connection. I live in a major hub city and I still have to connect in ORD or DFW or PHL or EWR or LAX if I want to go anywhere overseas. I'd love to fly a nicely equipt 737-700ER overseas. I just hope they don't pack it with 155 seats.

I see it having a strong market to South America, as well as like say, to secondary cities in American and Europe. Say like, IAH or DFW to ARN, MUC, etc



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User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9536 times:

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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9536 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 8):
I think will we see the 737-700ER on thoes long routes served by TA, and CM from places like JFK and MIA to PTY and SAL. I think this truely will help everyone on these long drawn out routes.

CM is doing quite fine with their B737-700/800 on their long routes (LAX, EZE, SCL, GRU) flying to those destinations with a B737-700ER which takes less passengers and baggage because the auxiliary fueltanks is ilogical. I rather see CM B737-900 (if range provided) to those destinations.

Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 12):
I tend to agree with CRGsFuture that Copa may be interested in the 737-700ER! It certainly would allow them to open up longer routes.

If CM is thinking about nonstop flights between PTY and MAD, BCN (and any other major Spanish cities), London and MAN, plus LIS; and those routes could be profitable for them to fly on a B737-700ER with 70+ passengers (plus enough baggage room for them) - at least daily, they could sure try it. CM loves aircraft model commonality.
Destinations like FRA, MXP, Japan (Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya), Seoul, Shanghai and HKG would be out of the question for CM on a B737-700ER. The plane has no range for profitable non-stops between Germany/Italy and Panama, and the Far East could only be reached with an stop in ANC, YVR, SEA or PDX - which surely means US/Canada in-transit visa requirement for passengers.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9536 times:

If my copy and paste function worked (BTW, anyone know how to fix that?), I would comment on Dreamliner's point on boarding and service....to me, that is a huge selling point!
Once people get beyond the stigma, they will see the concept of a small capacity, long-range jet is hugely appealing to people who fly for a living, big is not better, it's just more people in MY SPACE!



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User currently offlineMarcoT From Italy, joined May 2005, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9330 times:

Quoting FLALEFTY (Reply 2):
That would be a long time for some future unfortunates sitting in the dreaded, middle seats of the 737G-ER! Also, I've got to wonder if the lavs and galleys on a 737G-ER would be sufficient to serve 100+ passengers over the course of a 12-hour flight.

Don't worry, it will have nowhere near 12 hours endurance with a 100+ passengers load ...

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):

Continental's new A Ryanair, easyJet, Air Berlin jet that opens up North America?

What most of the replies have overlooked is that the 700ER is a 700 based BBJ certified for airline usage and outfitted at the factory to airline specs, the advantage over the BBJ-700 being mainly in resale value. It is not a new concept, as it has been pioneered by the A319LR vs the ACJ since some time.
As for the BBJ-700, the ACJ and the A319LR, the extra tankage allows simply for being able to trade off payload for fuel for achieving much longer range: a standard 73G or A319 will not achieve 5000+ nm range even empty because it will be tankage limitated. But fuel consumption has not being magically halved, nor has MTOW magically doubled: you still have to trade off payload with fuel ...
As far as I know A319LR e BBJ-700 have been utilized by PrivatAir and AF on some long range thin routes in the 4000 nm range in a Business class only config with some 50s seats and this is a good indication of the tradeoff in payloads needed...



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User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 651 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

Quoting MarcoT (Reply 18):
But fuel consumption has not being magically halved, nor has MTOW magically doubled: you still have to trade off payload with fuel ...

Quite true, still Boeing says that the MTOW was increased by 16,500 lb (7,485 kg) over the 700.

A question for I could not find an answer is: without auxiliary tanks what is the range advantage over the 700?, if there is a gain of 500NM it could allow CM to open PTY-YVR, on the other hand to be closer to reality the ER could allow to have higher payloads to EZE, GRU, SCL and LAX.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9169 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 14):
AA and CO have proven that long haul narrowbodies are still viable. Honestly, I would prefer the more personal service and faster boarding/deplaning a smaller jet offers on international flights, especially if it can save me a connection. I live in a major hub city and I still have to connect in ORD or DFW or PHL or EWR or LAX if I want to go anywhere overseas. I'd love to fly a nicely equipt 737-700ER overseas. I just hope they don't pack it with 155 seats.



Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 9):
Hello year-round CLE-LGW service

even PIT-LGW or IND-LGW, JAX-FRA........will be very interesting to see if either Boeing or Airbus could develop a cost efficient plane for the general masses...

that would open up city pairs unheard of...........



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9127 times:

Quoting CM767 (Reply 19):
A question for I could not find an answer is: without auxiliary tanks what is the range advantage over the 700?, if there is a gain of 500NM it could allow CM to open PTY-YVR, on the other hand to be closer to reality the ER could allow to have higher payloads to EZE, GRU, SCL and LAX.

CM flies upon delivery their brandnew B737-700/800 SEA - PTY non-stop. I guess PTY-YVR/SEA/PDX are still within range for a B737-700, maybe with a minor load-penalty (100 passenger max?).
I wish I knew more about that B737-700ER, then I could really say I would rather see CM flying PTY <> MAD twice daily and PTY <> SCQ, AGP, VLC, BCN, BIO, LPA/TFS, LIS daily - Instead of a daily PTY <> MAD on a B767/777/787 !



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User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 651 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9039 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 21):
CM flies upon delivery their brandnew B737-700/800 SEA - PTY non-stop.

Yes they do , but with 60 or so guest with little luggage and no cargo, it takes about 7 hours 40 minutes.



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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9018 times:

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 15):
"Ding! You Are Now Free To Move Across The Atlantic!"

That was the first thing I thought when I saw the thread. WN to Europe. I don't know if it is likely though but who knows?  Smile


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8956 times:

Quoting Bohica (Reply 23):
That was the first thing I thought when I saw the thread. WN to Europe. I don't know if it is likely though but who knows?

I guess the most likely overseas destinations for WN in the future are those with U.S. Point of Entry faicilities (pre-clearance) and both SNN and DUB do qualify  Wink
But WN fleet is not equiped for long over-the-water segments; So for that part, I doubt they would even think about flying to Europe.



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25 FLALEFTY : If WN needs access to European routes, they will probably interline with ATA, just like they did to get a feed to Hawaii.
26 Joeman : That would be terrific!!! Perhaps the airline gurus could actually begin to schedule more point to point nonstop service, especially from undersereve
27 OPNLguy : I personally doubt it. While the 737-700ER sounds nice, the "fine print" mentions that they get that additional range by use of aux tanks in the carg
28 MarcoT : Yes, because -as the BBJ-700- it uses the reinforced -800 wing. Looking at the 73G with winglets payload range charts from the PDA available on Boein
29 Post contains links Tjwgrr : Maybe ANA wants to start a Lufthansa/ KLM (PrivatAir) type operation from Japan to Europe and/or North America. They've only committed to two 737-700E
30 YOW : The 737-700ER would allow WestJet to launch Canada-Europe flights, while still maintaining 737 fleet commonality.
31 Post contains images Lightsaber : So true... Note: I don't expect this to happen soon. But... WN has shown a tendency to switch strategies when there is a RASM/CASM benifit on a big s
32 MTY2GVA : I honestly find the 737-700ER unuseful except for maybe an all business configuration.
33 Post contains images Jacobin777 : we can have those too. this would be a fleet planners dream (or nightmare) depends on how one looks at it....
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