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TP New Services GIG-OPO And GRU-OPO Approved.  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4495 times:
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TAP confirmed today in Brazil that they get the necessary approval from CERNAI (The Brazilian DOT) to fly additional frequencies into their two top markets in Brazil: São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. CERNAI also confirm such action.

TP will fly:

GIG-OPO - A332 - 3 times per week
GRU-OPO - A332 - 3 times per week
GRU-LIS - A332 OR A343 - 1 time per week (*)

(*) On tuesday, TP runs LIS-GIG-GRU-LIS (and not specific flights to GIG and GRU as the other days of the week). It seems that TP will announce a separate tuesday flight for both GIG and GRU (one will receive the A332 or even both can receive the A343... no confirmation yet).

OPO will get almost a daily flight (probably expect Tuesday) to Brazil, as well as the separate flights from LIS will add at least 240 seats to LIS.

As TP also announce they will use the A332 on SSA-LIS, it's a huge improvement on Brazil-Portugal service.

TP will announce the dates when the new services from OPO will begin very soon (later next week as per CERNAI's sources).

Congratulations to TP!

Felipe


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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Clear me out here please.

This means that that currently there are 6xweek LIS-GIG and 6xweek LIS-GRU and once a week a LIS-GIG-GRU-LIS? I was not aware of that!

And according to your post, this triangle flight will be split into the new LIS-GRU and the current LIS-GIG-GRU will terminate at GIG?

It seems Tap has found quickly were it will use the new planes!


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4387 times:
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Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 1):
This means that that currently there are 6xweek LIS-GIG and 6xweek LIS-GRU and once a week a LIS-GIG-GRU-LIS? I was not aware of that!

Yes Rafa, the tuesday TP service to Rio-São Paulo is a LIS-GIG-GRU-LIS flight during the low season. On summer/winter TP runs 7x weekly.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 1):
And according to your post, this triangle flight will be split into the new LIS-GRU and the current LIS-GIG-GRU will terminate at GIG?

Yes, but it's not confirmed if GRU or GIG get A343 or A332.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 1):
It seems Tap has found quickly were it will use the new planes!

Right. One will be used during low season for SSA (during the high season they use to run LIS-SSA-LIS with A343 too)

Felipe



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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2735 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
GIG-OPO - A332 - 3 times per week
GRU-OPO - A332 - 3 times per week

So now OPO will be linked to three cities in South America. CCS being the current destination served.

Varig at one time also flew to OPO, correct?

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 1):
It seems Tap has found quickly were it will use the new planes!

Indeed. And imagine once the factory new A332s and A350s will arrive. Expansion will be more than ever in order.

Excellent news for TP and Brazil! Thank you for sharing this info, Felipe. I hope they will do very well on their new routes.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
Indeed. And imagine once the factory new A332s and A350s will arrive. Expansion will be more than ever in order.

Correct.

Lipe, thanks for the breaking news. It seems that TAP remains more than ever focused on the Brazilian market.

After consolidation in the Northeast Brazilian market, TAP will now concentrate its efforts in the two Brazilian markets, GRU and GIG, with the aim of increasing flights to these destinations twice daily. Along GRU and GIG, SSA is also singled out as an important market, receiving TP first A330 dedicated service providing a major boost in this destination.

I see this as a wise move by TAP, other ailrines such as AF and IB are also doubling flights in GRU and TAP need to react to competition. Instead of opening up new destinations in Brazil (such as BEL, BSB or CNF), TAP needs to secure the key market where the real money flows, i.e. (first and foremost) GRU and GIG.

Rgs,


User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
Instead of opening up new destinations in Brazil (such as BEL, BSB or CNF), TAP needs to secure the key market where the real money flows, i.e. (first and foremost) GRU and GIG.

TAP wouldn't have launched 26 weekly flights to Brazilian northeast, then, if under such convinction.



Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4107 times:
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Quoting Latinplane (Reply 3):
Varig at one time also flew to OPO, correct?

You're right, i believe it was on 90's.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
I see this as a wise move by TAP, other ailrines such as AF and IB are also doubling flights in GRU and TAP need to react to competition

Yes Hardi, but seems that TP is the only one that add a new destination. The others shows that they made efforts to improve their hubs. I believe BCN could keep a flight to Brazil, but IB seems to be focus (see Barajas new T4) on MAD.

Any one has an idea of connections available at OPO to be used by Rio/SP Passangers ?

Can OPO keep good loads and yields year round to GIG and GRU ?

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

This is off the subject but somewhat related, but what country outside Brazil has the highest population of Brazilians/Brazilian-descents? Is it Portugal? I understand the strong ties between Portugal and Brazil but am curious how much traffic between the two is VFF.

User currently offlineEMB195ER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4026 times:

Hello everybody!

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Any one has an idea of connections available at OPO to be used by Rio/SP Passangers ?

London is a very good connection, Lipe. Connections via OPO will probably be more convenient then those via LIS.

In june I am flying TAP to GRU and my flight departs from Gatwick around 6am and it will give me only 40min time connection in LIS. I do hope my luggage will arrive with me in GRU.  crossfingers 

Hugs,
Claudio


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3938 times:
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Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 8):
This is off the subject but somewhat related, but what country outside Brazil has the highest population of Brazilians/Brazilian-descents? Is it Portugal?

United States, Paraguay, Japan, United Kingdom and Portugal are the top 5 as per Brazilian Foreign Affairs Ministry.

Felipe



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User currently offlineOrlando666 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

From Europe > Brasil, they are the top carrier (connection possibilities in bothe Europe and onto the most destinations in Brasil for any European airline). Air Madrid also offers many destinations in Brasil from Barcelona & Madrid (A330).

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 11):
Air Madrid also offers many destinations in Brasil from Barcelona & Madrid (A330).

No they don't. They only fly Fortaleza.



a.
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3800 times:
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Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 9):
London is a very good connection, Lipe. Connections via OPO will probably be more convenient then those via LIS.

In june I am flying TAP to GRU and my flight departs from Gatwick around 6am and it will give me only 40min time connection in LIS. I do hope my luggage will arrive with me in GRU.

All will depend on the time of the flights. TP could run daily GIG/GRU-OPO in order to take advantage of the evening arrivals at OPO from London, Barcelona, Bologna, Paris and others to fly a night flight OPO-GIG/GRU
But could be also a daily-light OPO-Brazil, the same as the other TP flights.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 11):
Air Madrid also offers many destinations in Brasil from Barcelona & Madrid (A330).

No they don't. They only fly Fortaleza.

And nowadays only from MAD, they have plans for a BCN-FOR-SCL flight, but it's not confirmed.

Felipe



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
And nowadays only from MAD, they have plans for a BCN-FOR-SCL flight, but it's not confirmed.

NM hasn't really been open about their further plans for flights out of BCN. I recall they announced a flight BCN-SJO, but so far no further news on this. For the moment, I wouldn't expect anything by NM out of BCN. They should focus on getting new or at least more widebodies, because with their current widebody fleet, it's too hard to keep up with their schedules. Four A330s and one A310 just won't cut it for NM and their current Latin American network.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3615 times:
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
NM hasn't really been open about their further plans for flights out of BCN. I recall they announced a flight BCN-SJO, but so far no further news on this. For the moment, I wouldn't expect anything by NM out of BCN. They should focus on getting new or at least more widebodies, because with their current widebody fleet, it's too hard to keep up with their schedules. Four A330s and one A310 just won't cut it for NM and their current Latin American network

I agree 100%. We heard on Brazil they have plans for a weekly service BCN-FOR-SCL but i don't know if they are availability of planes to run this route (even weekly!)

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Air Madrid begins Barcelona-Fortaleza-Santiago de Chile on 28 March 2006:

NM 1421 BCN 2350-0320 FOR 0450-0950 SCL 332 Tu
NM 1422 SCL 1200-1800 FOR 1930-0830 BCN 332 We

No local traffic on FOR-SCL-FOR.



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User currently offlinePhotoLPPT From Portugal, joined Jul 2004, 512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
All will depend on the time of the flights. TP could run daily GIG/GRU-OPO in order to take advantage of the evening arrivals at OPO from London, Barcelona, Bologna, Paris and others to fly a night flight OPO-GIG/GRU
But could be also a daily-light OPO-Brazil, the same as the other TP flights.

Hi,

TP announced today that the flights [GIG, GRU and EWR] will be in the mornings, leaving OPO at 11:15 with the following schedule:

Porto - S�o Paulo
11h15 every tuesday, thursday and saturday
Porto - Rio
11h15 every monday, wednsday and friday
Porto - Newark
11h15 every tuesday, friday and sunday.

Intereing is that TP plans to attract people form Galicia as well, offering free shuttles to Vigo, Pontevedra, Santiago de Compostella and la Coruna.

More info here (PT only, sorry)
http://www.setbb.com/lisbonspotters/...?p=2476&mforum=lisbonspotters#2476


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):

No local traffic on FOR-SCL-FOR.

A handfull of tourists, but that's probably about it.

Cheers



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4924 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

Quoting PhotoLPPT (Reply 17):
Porto - Newark
11h15 every tuesday, friday and sunday.

Will there be a codeshare from UA and/or US on this route?

Its good to see TP expanding away from LIS



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 18):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):

No local traffic on FOR-SCL-FOR.

A handfull of tourists, but that's probably about it.

That isn't what I meant. Air Madrid is not allowed to sell tickets locally.



a.
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3424 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
Air Madrid is not allowed to sell tickets locally.

Which is probably due to them not having the necessary 5th freedom rights.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):

That isn't what I meant. Air Madrid is not allowed to sell tickets locally.

Oh ok.

But do you think can they obtain the rights, at least for a few seats? It would be beneficial for pax and improve service in the region... good generally.

Cheers



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Back to TP

"Flights from Porto to São Paulo depart at 11h15 on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. Return flights depart at 18h55 Tuesdays Thurdays and Sundays"

"Flights to New York depart Porto at 11h15 Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays. Return flights depart at 21h15 Mondays, Thrusdays and Sundays."

How come is that possible? These are daylight flights with same day return. Will the flights be rotated with Lisbon flights?

"TAP will also increase frequencies between Sao Paulo and Lisbon from seven to eight weekly flights through the adition of a second flight on Sundays."

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
GIG-OPO - A332 - 3 times per week
GRU-OPO - A332 - 3 times per week
GRU-LIS - A332 OR A343 - 1 time per week (*)

(*) On tuesday, TP runs LIS-GIG-GRU-LIS (and not specific flights to GIG and GRU as the other days of the week). It seems that TP will announce a separate tuesday flight for both GIG and GRU (one will receive the A332 or even both can receive the A343... no confirmation yet).

So Lipe, did U mix up your information? Is the increase from 13 to 14 weekly for GIG and GRU (from 6 GRU, 6 GIG and 1 GIG-GRU to 7GRU and 7GIG ) or is it from 14 to 15 (from 7GRU, 7GIG to 8GRU, 7GIG)?

[Edited 2006-03-17 22:37:31]

[Edited 2006-03-17 22:38:42]

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
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Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 23):
How come is that possible? These are daylight flights with same day return. Will the flights be rotated with Lisbon flights?

Time Zones: Portugal is ahead of Brazil and US (+3), the same plane arrive at GIG/GRU and return. It's the same as LIS flights.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 23):
"TAP will also increase frequencies between Sao Paulo and Lisbon from seven to eight weekly flights through the adition of a second flight on Sundays."

The info i obtained was that TP intention was to run separate flights on tuesday (it's LIS-GIG-GRU-LIS). Seems that TP decision was in favor of the availability of the plane used for OPO-GIG and OPO-GRU (on sunday).

Felipe



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25 Rafabozzolla : No Lipe, I am afraid that time zones do not explain, If the plane leaves Portugal in the morning, it arrives in Brazil late afternoon of the same day
26 LipeGIG : Raffa, In the case of this flight/plane. It will be used: Monday morning - OPO-GIG / Return the same day - GIG-OPO Tuesday morning - OPO-GRU / Return
27 A360 : Will the flights from OPO to EWR be flown with a 332?! I guess not, since LIS-EWR is done with a 310, so I guess OPO-EWR will also be 310... or not? R
28 LipeGIG : I take a look on TP reservation system and the flights LIS-EWR will be upgraded from A310 to the A332. Felipe
29 MaverickM11 : EWR/OPO has got to be a terrible route. Little to no connectivity on either end, infrequent service, and lower than low yields....or am I missing som
30 Fleitao : Hi, Don't forget Italy and the growing market of France. TAP is making a great effort in connecting Brazil to Italy where it has a growing number of d
31 LipeGIG : Both are important markets but the other five (US, Paraguay, Japan, UK and Portugal) keep as the more important destinations. I believe that in the f
32 MaverickM11 : The demand for NYC-OPO is about 2% that of NYC-LIS.
33 BoeingBus : You are talking about the Northwestern part of the Iberian peninsula getting an easy route to the capital of the world, New York City. Yeah, I think
34 MaverickM11 : Not based on any numbers... Even with current connections, of which there are many easy, convenient connections, there is miniscule demand for NYC-OP
35 Airbazar : There's enough demand for them to operate the flight. Believe me, if there wasn't they wouldn't fly it. This is the same airline that droped BOS and
36 BoeingBus : There are charter airlines currently serving this route in this summer. I believe its King Holidays... so there is a demand...but I guess you could b
37 Incitatus : What will be TAP's next destination in Brazil? Maceio' - MCZ?
38 LipeGIG : MCZ and/or BSB. But before goingo to a new destination, i believe they will upgrade NAT to daily (nowadays 5x weekly). We already know the destinatio
39 Post contains links PPVRA : Hey guys, someone who knows how many daily flight across the Atlantic TP has please click here: How Many Flights A Day Across The Atlantic? (by StarGo
40 DETA737 : I'm not sure how the OPO longhauls will do, but it seems that many of the emigrants in the US that are not from the Azores are from Northern Portugal.
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