Rotate777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 400 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1372 times:
I just heard this on the news. A United Airlines DC-10 bound for Honolulu, Hawaii had to turn back to SFO when the pilot reported loss of Hydraulic power two hours into the flight. SFO was under Alert One again because of this. There were fire trucks out on 28R waiting for the DC-10. It was circling around the bay dumping fuel and it has just landed. It seemed like the pilot made a good landing.
That's 3 DC-10 emergency landings this week at SFO already. 2 other DC-10's (American Airlines) bound for Honolulu earlier this week had to make an emergency landing at SFO. And then not to long ago there was the Northwest DC-10 that made an emergency landing at SeaTac. And then there was this today....Weird.
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 82 Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1282 times:
I was watching as this unfolded as well. Actually the plane was bound for Kona Hawaii. Luckily the emergency landing went without incident. I can imagine all the DC-10 backlash that is about to happen now! One of the people the news anchor was talking to about the emergency was talking about how things happen in 3's with the other 2 incidents. Kind of ironic. Lets be thankfull all emergencys ended with no loss of life!
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Mace_2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1268 times:
if anyone has notced, the DC-10 has always had problems. from engines falling off to 3 emergency landings in the same month. I think its time for them to go dont you?
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 82 Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1256 times:
With all due respect, every airplane has had problems. The DC-10 has gotten a bad rep due to highly publicised inccidents. The way I see it, is if the plane is in service, and has been in service for as long at the DC-10 has, I have no problem flying them anywhere in the world. You need to look at the big picture, not just the problems with an aircraft.
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KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 82 Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1237 times:
There is no denying they have had there fare share of problems, but all types have. It just seems the DC-10 is always under a spotlite. Think about all the emergencys that happen every day that we never hear about. I bet most people would never have known about this one, unless they were at Airliners.net.
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Surf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
The Creepy-10 is cursed. It's crap. God I hate that plane. It's had nothing but trouble from the get go. Douglas rushed to beat Lockheed. Well, this is what the result is (Kinda like Boeing, rushing with the 737, doing the quick design of the rudder system, now they are cursed with that associated with the 737 forever.)
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1182 times:
I agree with you 100%, the DC-10 was rushed into production by McDonnell Douglas to beat Lockheed's L-1011 which I think was the best engineered aircraft built. The DC-10 has some omissions that the L-1011 has such as a slat locking system, 4 hydraulic lines with one way check valves vs. 3 hydraulic lines on the DC-10 with no one way check valves. The 4 hydraulic lines on the L-1011 are in different parts of the aircraft where if something goes wrong such as a leak, one of the other systems will take over. On the DC-10 they are side by side where on the United Sioux City plane they were severed by the exploding GE CF6 tail engine causing the aircraft to be uncontrollable and crash. It was after the accident that the one way check valves were installed on DC-10 and were standard on the new MD-11 to prevent a complete loss of hydraulic fluid.
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3140 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1177 times:
Its still a good plane. Its just having its bad period.Everything will clear up with it soon, and it will be back to its original glory!
Ordguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
I don't know why people bash this airplane. I have always had a good experience on the DC-10. I agree with KROC, this plane has always been bashed by the media. The truth is the DC-10 has proven to be a valuable aircraft to all major airlines. American and United have flown this plane for over 25 years, if they had doubts about performance or safety they would have sold the aircraft years ago. The DC-10 was the answer to a lot of the airlines in the 1970's.
Sure, Douglas battled it out with Lockheed. However, when American and United were comparing the DC-10 to the L-1011 they went with Douglas out of reputation and reliability. United purchased many Douglas products in the past and were happy with the Douglas reputation. Lockheed had it's fair share of problems before the L-1011 both American and United recognized them. I would have gone with Douglas in the 1970’s as well.
If the DC-10 was such a “bad” aircraft why is Boeing going ahead with the MD-10 project… Many recognize this planes potential and are going to invest in the future of the DC-10. I will be excited when a DC-10 is converted to a MD-10 for passenger use. I am sure it will happen. I hope Northwest will make this choice.
As for the 4 hydraulic lines in the L-1011. The L-1011 number 2 engine was built into the plane, know as a flying tail. They needed the 4th hydraulic line because of the design.
I will miss the DC-10. I fly frequently on United and still have the honor of flying on the 10. I will enjoy every experience while I can. There is nothing like listening to whine of the engines on take-off and listening to the AC units turn during start-up.
The DC-10 is a work-horse. Any educated person will know that!
Mace_2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
I would love to fly on one to. I am not saying that they fall out of the sky all the time, but they have alot of problems. You also have to look at maintance of the airliner two. The 737's southwest flys has had no deaths and they have been going for 30 years. You have to looki at the airliner flying them.
Surf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1142 times:
The DC-10 is just going through it's "bad" period? It's BAD period? When was it's GOOD period??? Cargo doors, hydraulics, engines..."it'll all clear up soon", Original Glory???? OMG
TEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1136 times:
ORDGUY, on the L-1011 the tail was designed in that fashion to protect and prevent the 4th hydraulic line from being damaged from some kind of tail engine failure or explosion like what happened to the United DC-10 at Sioux City.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7560 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1131 times:
It's incidents like this that tells us it's time to accelerate the retirement of the D10 from America's airline fleets.
It should be noted that the "last stand" of the D10 in AA's fleet is US West Coast to Hawaii routes, and when they are replaced with 763ER's at the end of this summer, that will be the end of D10 operations at AA. I believe that UA is also rapidly phasing out their D10 fleet, and in fact I rarely see D10's at SFO--they're mostly flying 762's and 763ER's as replacements.
This is why on another message thread that NW's D10 fleet is overdue for replacement. NW will very likely make an announcement on their replacements (either Airbus A333 or Boeing 764ER) by at latest the summer of 2001.
UAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2116 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1110 times:
Anyone know the aircraft # of the UA DC10 involved in the SFO incident?
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