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Is AA Looking For Used RR-engined 757s?

FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2485 times:

Hi folks...
I've heard a rumor (and just a rumor) that American is looking for some RR-powered 752s to replace the PW-powered 752s that will be returning to the lessors soon.
Since Boeing no longer produced any more 757s, where are the used 757s at up for sale? Just speculation here going thru the grapevine, folks....but can anyone confirm?
Regards.

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin

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AKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2101 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2438 times:

US just picked up some ex-ATA RR-powered 757s. I don't know where others are available.

MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4725 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2427 times:

Amazing how popular these planes have become since Boeing cancelled production. I had a feeling they should have just mothballed the line, not scrapped it.

Consilivm: Cave ne nothi te vexant

MX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 602 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 2):
Amazing how popular these planes have become since Boeing cancelled production. I had a feeling they should have just mothballed the line, not scrapped it.

Never say never, If enough airlines want more 757s Boeing would probably reopen the line.

Remember Boeing reopened the 727 line in 1984 for Fed Ex.

Is it broke...? Yeah I'll fix it.

Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2572 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

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The recent surge in popularity of the 757 is mainly due to existing operators looking for used B757s on the market. However they are only interested in obtaining the aircraft if the price is right.

This is why Boeing closed production of the B757; it has largely been eclipsed by the B737/A320 families and the B767 is about to join it on the pages of history.

No airline will invest huge sums of money in brand new aircraft of a type that is about to go out of production (or worse that has had it's production restarted) when potential replacements are just a few years away. Ordering a type about to go out of production doesn't make financial sense for the airlines; they'll never get good return on their investment as used prices fall rapidly once an aircraft type is out of production which when you factor in higher fuel and maintance costs than the potential replacements doesn't make sound financial sense.

What does make financial sense is picking up used B757 aircraft with 5-10 years on the clock, but at competitive lease rates/purchase prices that more than make up for the aircraft not being new. You can afford to spend a bit of money refurbishing/upgrading/standardising the aircraft and then have an aircraft which will make a far more profitable contribution to your airline than the very high costs associated with obtaining a factory new aircraft.

Hence; lots of interest in second-hand 757s but no rush to order the 757 when Boeing announced the closure of the line. There was plenty of time between the announcement of closure of the 757 line and the last aircraft being produced - the reason nobody came forward and placed additional "last chance" orders is because it just didn't really make financial sense to do it.

As for potential 757s; if American Airlines are really looking no doubt they'd consider the ex-Iberia 757s which are up for grabs I believe. RB211-535E4 engines, IIiiI exit layout, and built 1999 onwards - will be attractive to someone!

Regards
CROSSWIND

PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6716 posts, RR: 65
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

617 of the 1049 757s produced (both -200s and -300s) have RB211s - that's 59% - so AA should have a few opportunities out there.

BA, as a fellow-Oneworld airline, might be (or have been) an option but it seems they are hanging onto their remaining examples.

Either way, AA have the biggest 757 fleet in the world.

Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

What happened to National's 757s after they went into Chapter 7? I suggested to a friend of mine that AA should have grabbed them, after National went under in '02.

I know they had RR engines, having watched them come and go at LAS.

MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4725 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 4):

Hence; lots of interest in second-hand 757s but no rush to order the 757 when Boeing announced the closure of the line. There was plenty of time between the announcement of closure of the 757 line and the last aircraft being produced

You're right, of course; but that was at a time when CO was considered semi-nuts for running them on transatlantic routes and also at a time when some airlines were wondering if airlines had any future at all.

Now that AA and US have joined the transatlantic 757 operators league, I wonder if some number of new orders would make sense today. Just idle thinking, though - I have no expectation of Boeing reopening the 757 line.

Consilivm: Cave ne nothi te vexant

Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15989 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Quoting MX757 (Reply 3):
Remember Boeing reopened the 727 line in 1984 for Fed Ex.

No, they didn't. The 15 722F's built by Boeing for Fedex in 1983/1984 were built immediately after the last pax 722 was built. There was no appreciable gap in production from the last passenger 722 to the first Fedex 722F. The 722 line was certainly not closed and re-opened.

Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.

Thepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

When I was at ERAU, an admissions councelor said AA was looking for more 752s, and planned to put winglets on them. Maybe they will fly across the pond.
Happy Flying!

From YVR

777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Quoting Thepilot (Reply 9):
When I was at ERAU, an admissions councelor said AA was looking for more 752s, and planned to put winglets on them. Maybe they will fly across the pond.
Happy Flying!

AA is already in the process of purchasing winglets and there are already 757s crossing the pond. BOS-SNN comes to mind at the moment, I believe they also fly the '57s to Manchester.

No one cares when your next flight is....

AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2271 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1650 times:

AA does the following on the 757.

BOS-MAN
BOS-SNN

And the dead white elephant: JFK-NCL

"The low fares airline."

CLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1647 times:

CAL sure could use some more 757's..ex CLE-AMS.

Cleveland the best location in the Nation

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