FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 13 Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4727 times:
I've heard a rumor (and just a rumor) that American is looking for some RR-powered 752s to replace the PW-powered 752s that will be returning to the lessors soon.
Since Boeing no longer produced any more 757s, where are the used 757s at up for sale? Just speculation here going thru the grapevine, folks....but can anyone confirm?
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Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2643 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4570 times:
The recent surge in popularity of the 757 is mainly due to existing operators looking for used B757s on the market. However they are only interested in obtaining the aircraft if the price is right.
This is why Boeing closed production of the B757; it has largely been eclipsed by the B737/A320 families and the B767 is about to join it on the pages of history.
No airline will invest huge sums of money in brand new aircraft of a type that is about to go out of production (or worse that has had it's production restarted) when potential replacements are just a few years away. Ordering a type about to go out of production doesn't make financial sense for the airlines; they'll never get good return on their investment as used prices fall rapidly once an aircraft type is out of production which when you factor in higher fuel and maintance costs than the potential replacements doesn't make sound financial sense.
What does make financial sense is picking up used B757 aircraft with 5-10 years on the clock, but at competitive lease rates/purchase prices that more than make up for the aircraft not being new. You can afford to spend a bit of money refurbishing/upgrading/standardising the aircraft and then have an aircraft which will make a far more profitable contribution to your airline than the very high costs associated with obtaining a factory new aircraft.
Hence; lots of interest in second-hand 757s but no rush to order the 757 when Boeing announced the closure of the line. There was plenty of time between the announcement of closure of the 757 line and the last aircraft being produced - the reason nobody came forward and placed additional "last chance" orders is because it just didn't really make financial sense to do it.
As for potential 757s; if American Airlines are really looking no doubt they'd consider the ex-Iberia 757s which are up for grabs I believe. RB211-535E4 engines, IIiiI exit layout, and built 1999 onwards - will be attractive to someone!
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 6130 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4178 times:
Quoting Crosswind (Reply 4):
Hence; lots of interest in second-hand 757s but no rush to order the 757 when Boeing announced the closure of the line. There was plenty of time between the announcement of closure of the 757 line and the last aircraft being produced
You're right, of course; but that was at a time when CO was considered semi-nuts for running them on transatlantic routes and also at a time when some airlines were wondering if airlines had any future at all.
Now that AA and US have joined the transatlantic 757 operators league, I wonder if some number of new orders would make sense today. Just idle thinking, though - I have no expectation of Boeing reopening the 757 line.
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Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16524 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4158 times:
Quoting MX757 (Reply 3): Remember Boeing reopened the 727 line in 1984 for Fed Ex.
No, they didn't. The 15 722F's built by Boeing for Fedex in 1983/1984 were built immediately after the last pax 722 was built. There was no appreciable gap in production from the last passenger 722 to the first Fedex 722F. The 722 line was certainly not closed and re-opened.
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