LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5554 times:
Great news for SkyTeam and SU! It's about time, I thought they postponed their entry indefinitely, but great to see progress being done for SU to finally join!
Orlando666 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5455 times:
Is SU really up to "skyteam service" levels?
Oh! wait a minute, skyteam has NW DL AF KL AZ as members.....
Having a huge network is one thing, doesent mean all alliance members offer same/comparable service. I guess to be fair oneworld & star alliance also have a mixed bag.
Gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1097 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5251 times:
Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 4): Is SU really up to "skyteam service" levels?
I was thinking the same too.
Then you ruin it with this silly comment.....
Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 4): Oh! wait a minute, skyteam has NW DL AF KL AZ as members.....
I really think there are overlaps on other Alliances such as Star, but I really don't know what does SU bring for ST.
Also I know I can get burned for this but, is SU's fleet trully safe with all the Tupolev's etc.?Only asking don't flame please
Gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1097 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5167 times:
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 8): do they still have many TU/IL a/c - I thought most of their fleet is Boeing / Airbus these days ???
Yes they still have plenty, here is the SU fleet according to wikipedia
The Aeroflot fleet consists of the following aircraft* (at 25 October 2005):
* 5 Airbus A310
* 10 Airbus A319-100
* 8 Airbus A320-200
* 6 Airbus A321-200 (7 more on order [1])
* 2 Antonov An-24RV
* 15 Antonov An-24V
* 4 Antonov An-26A
* 1 Antonov An-32
* 9 Boeing 767-300ER
* 7 Ilyushin Il-86
* 6 Ilyushin Il-96-300
* 4 McDonnell Douglas DC-10-40
* 11 Tupolev Tu-134A
* 1 Tupolev Tu-134B
* 25 Tupolev Tu-154M
* 2 Yakovlev Yak-40
* 30 Sukhoi Russian Regional Jet (on order)
MalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5080 times:
Quoting Planeboy (Reply 10): Don't SU have 777's? I was planning to fly SU from BOM to SFO. But found that they have put 767's on these routes (No T15's either )
The 777's were dropped... SFO was dropped more than a year ago...
Nycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 748 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4958 times:
Aeroflot on April 14 will enter the SkyTeam airline group led by Air France-KLM , Europe's biggest airline, offering travelers better access to growing markets in the former Soviet Union.
It could be from a European point of view, but still interesting that the author didnt write that its Delta led.
B777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4958 times:
Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 4): Is SU really up to "skyteam service" levels?
You obviously don't know how the process works. Would they be joining if they weren't?
Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 4): Oh! wait a minute, skyteam has NW DL AF KL AZ as members.....
And to continue adding nothing to the conversation, you make this comment. Have you ever actually flown all those carriers? What data can you show that those carriers actually have poor service?
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 7): is SU's fleet trully safe with all the Tupolev's etc.?Only asking don't flame please
They're fine. The Tupo's are built like tanks and the IL's have no worse safety record than a typical Airbus or Boeing that could be attributed to mechanical or design errors.
Aeroflot's service is excellent, on par with any other EU carrier, and better than a lot of US carriers internationally.
More importantly, this pretty much gives the Russian market to SkyTeam, and that, along with China Southern, gives them the first, and largest coverage into two of the biggest economic markets in the world.
People tend to over look that, and think that they're still the USSR's airline and haven't changed. It show's how narrow their minds are.
Cedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2686 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4939 times:
Quoting B777-700 (Reply 13): Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 4):
Is SU really up to "skyteam service" levels?
Aeroflot has better service than a lot of Skyteam members and has a young and modern fleet ,so SU will definitely give a strong push for Skyteam
Regards
Alex!!!
Tu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 904 posts, RR: 19 Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4900 times:
That is good news and bad news at the same time The fact that they have joined SkyTeam will mean that they will probably make certain changes in their awesome "Aeroflot Bonus" reward program. (Right now it is 15,000miles for a round trip from SVO to anywhere in Germany and Scandinavia!)
And for all of you worrying about their product - SU really is up to world standards as an airline. The domestic product is better than many airlines I have flown on in the west. Just an example - I have booked a flight on AC from Montreal to Calgary (a 4 hour flight) and they have no meal service - oh, actually they do, you just have to pay for it and this is not an LCC. On a SU SVO-LED flight (one hour) you actually get a full (and free) meal service. After their recent re-branding, they truly are a world-class airline. Regarding the Tupolevs, they are perfectly safe and reliable. Are you afraid of flying NW's DC-9's? I know I am not.
I do not dream about movie stars, they must dream about me for I am real and they are not. - Alexander Popov
AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2271 posts, RR: 25 Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4860 times:
Quoting Tu204 (Reply 15): On a SU SVO-LED flight (one hour) you actually get a full (and free) meal service.
Can't compare.
Russia does not have that many LCCs flying around. Apples and oranges.
SU From Russia, joined Apr 2004, 360 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4843 times:
Quoting AA767400 (Reply 17): Quoting Tu204 (Reply 15):
On a SU SVO-LED flight (one hour) you actually get a full (and free) meal service.
Can't compare.
Russia does not have that many LCCs flying around. Apples and oranges.
But you can compare SU with any European carries in business class on intra European flights and SU is much more superior in service then any of them. While all inra European business class seats offered by carriers are regular economy class seats with 2-4 extra pitch of legroom, SU is offering huge business class seats (even on TU154) like ones on US domestic first. SU is one of very few carriers in Europe that offers IFE in business class on regular routs and full meal regardless of duration of flight.
Aeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2957 posts, RR: 30 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4791 times:
Quoting B777-700 (Reply 13):
They're fine. The Tupo's are built like tanks and the IL's have no worse safety record than a typical Airbus or Boeing that could be attributed to mechanical or design errors.
Aeroflot's service is excellent, on par with any other EU carrier, and better than a lot of US carriers internationally.
Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 14):
Aeroflot has better service than a lot of Skyteam members and has a young and modern fleet ,so SU will definitely give a strong push for Skyteam
Regards
Quoting SU (Reply 16): Have you actually flown SU ever or recently?
Agreed. I hate to hear all this cr*p about what people think of SU. Most of people making these comments haven't even flown SU within the past 5 years. If you fly SU now, you will understand that they offer services that are far more superior than some major airlines in the US and Europe. Just because they fly Russian jets does not mean they are not safe. They wouldnot be flying them if there was something wrong with the aircraft! Joining Skyteam will open up many opportunities for traveller, especially after Sheremetyevo 3 will be built.
Congrats to SU!!
AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2271 posts, RR: 25 Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4787 times:
Quoting SU (Reply 18): But you can compare SU with any European carries in business class on intra European flights and SU is much more superior in service then any of them. While all inra European business class seats offered by carriers are regular economy class seats with 2-4 extra pitch of legroom, SU is offering huge business class seats (even on TU154) like ones on US domestic first. SU is one of very few carriers in Europe that offers IFE in business class on regular routs and full meal regardless of duration of flight.
Agreed.
People compare service with places that are just too different. Canada/USA aviation these days are not what they are in many other places. You don't have the overcapacity,unions,same culture that the states have. (Not that it is better.)
RedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2053 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4710 times:
Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 4): Is SU really up to "skyteam service" levels?
I've flown 250,000 km with SU during the past ten years, and in my opinion, they're far behind most western airlines. Even if they have much better airplanes today than they had ten years ago, I'm sorry to say that the Soviet mentality of "we have a monopoly" has changed very little.
To give one example of this: Two years ago, I was a silver member in Aeroflot Bonus. I made a round-trip flight SVO-LED which I didn't get points for, so I had to spend two hours to go to the Aeroflot Bonus "service desk" at their main ticket office in Moscow to claim my miles. I couldn't give them the ticket itself, since I needed it for the bookkeeping, so I asked them to make a Xerox copy of it. The lady behind the desk answered "nyet" and pointed to a sign on the desk stating that Aeroflot unfortunately cannot make Xerox copies for passengers. This basically means that Aeroflot's policy towards their best customers (frequent flyers), at the frequent flyer "service desk," is that Aeroflot refuses to pay one ruble to make a Xerox copy when Aeroflot itself is repsonsible for the mileage error! I could give you many other examples like this.
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 7): is SU's fleet trully safe with all the Tupolev's etc.?
The Tupolev's are quite safe, there's no problem with that (although they can be noisy).
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 9): Yes they still have plenty, here is the SU fleet according to wikipedia
The Aeroflot fleet consists of the following aircraft* (at 25 October 2005):
According to the Aeroflot web site, they've got 90 airplanes. They don't specify how many of each type, but the types include:
A319
A320
A321
B763
DC-10-30F/40F (conflicting information)
IL86
IL96
Tu134
Tu154
I cannot understand how Wikipedia can claim that SU has the An24, An26, An32, and Yak40. Aeroflot (the international Aeroflot based at Sheremetyevo) has never operated those airplanes.
25 AA767400: Most compare. And here in the states we don't need to be told twice that the service here sucks. Now having a IL-62 next to a brand new 320 is not ve
27 Tu204: BS 1) SU does not have any IL-62's and has not used them for atleast 3 years 2) SU has banned smoking about 9 years ago Get your facts straight befor
28 MalpensaSFO: Just as One World has American alongside British Airways alongside Qantas Ask Air France...
29 FCYTravis: Or US Airways alongside Singapore Airlines in Star. The difficulty with SkyTeam right now is that two of its three American components are the two wea
30 AA767400: I stand corrected. I am glad to see that you have the kind of Russian attitude that I see here in NYC, and hope not to see on SU.
31 RedChili: No, they banned it 3-4 years ago. Check out the facts on http://www.aeroflot.ru/eng/company.asp?ob_no=740&chron=1 Aeroflot states that on July 1, 200
32 Tu204: Ok, I am sorry for being a bit harsh, but is is annoying when people accuse SU for crimes that they did not commit. P.S. I do not/have no intention o
33 WorldTraveler: So what makes Skyteam so bad now that DL and NW are in bankruptcy. Do we not ALL remember that UA, US, AC, and RG were all on the ropes not too long a
34 MOW: Well, when I didn't have my miles credited for SVO-KHV-SVO flight, I just went to aeroflotbonus.ru and did the retroclaim online. They never asked fo
35 Cedars747: I flew Aeroflot many times for different destinations ,i find them far better than many western airlines,the crew onboard are very helpful,allways wit
36 CPH757: A bit off topic, but does anyone know when CZ is supposed to join? It has been stated earlier that they were to join this year, will that actually occ
37 SLCUT2777: SkyTeam is still the shakiest alliance of all of the big three. It still lacks the coverage in Australia and SE Asia to be truly complete when compar
38 WorldTraveler: no one can argue with what you choose to rule, SLC. Thankfully, you might have power to rule your dog but not much else. Your lack of objectivity and
39 FCYTravis: The difference is that for *A, while US was in grave danger of liquidation at one point, the same could not be said for United. Without USAir, *A woul
40 Mitchell Gant: CO doesn't have a "particularly comprehensive route network"? Last time I checked they serve more destinations that any other carrier in the world.
42 Jumbojet: Interesting to note that April 14th is the day Aeroflot joins sky team and April 15th is the day Arbitars decide the fate of sky team leader, Delta ai
43 RCS763AV: Great! After SU and CZ, Skyteam is only lacking: MH and AV....i just can hope BTW, its great to be back after 2 months of abscence!!!
44 FCYTravis: That might be true if you're flying internationally. But their domestic route network is completely and utterly hub-centric and (ab)uses ERJs extensi
45 PlanenutzTB: Congratulations to Aeroflot on finally joining the Skyteam! This is great news. I have flown on Aeroflot many times and service is as good or better t
46 RedChili: It's good for you that they've added the possibility of doing this online. Just a couple of years ago, you had to go to the "service desk" to fix any
47 Superfly: There better NOT be an equipment sub on my BKK-SVO and SVO IST flight! If a Delta 777 pulls up to the gate in Bangkok, I will have a FIT!
48 Hjulicher: So for all of those who think that Skyteam is weak. Yes, they do not cover the Australian continent, but on that side of the world, there are only ~25
49 RedChili: It's not "any domestic Russian route." According to the route map on aeroflot.ru, they only have flights from SVO to 20 different cities in Russia. E
50 StarGoldLHR: I believe the production qty of the Tu154 and the 727 divided by the number of incidents.. the Tu154 comes on top. this ratio works on a number of ru
51 Superfly: Are the routes I am flying a codeshared route? I am not trying to earn any Skyteam miles. Most of my miles are Star Alliance.
52 Tu114: Quite correct, especially if you exclude those incidents (for both types) that were not caused by the aircraft itself. It's always important to remem
53 UN_B732: Aeroflot has SOME issues with SOME staff attitudes -- remnants of the soviet time. But that could happen ANYWHERE; Delta, Korean, CSA, etc. etc. An ex
54 RedChili: Although I don't doubt that the Tu-154 is a safe aircraft, (I've flown 79 sectors, or 126,000 km with it), you cannot really look at the production q
55 MOW: 1. SU will add UUS this summer which has HUGE oil- and gas-related traffic. They wanted UUS badly for many years. For UN the 767-operated UUS-DME rou
56 ClassicLover: Actually, Business Class passengers have individual DVD units on the IL96 on some routes to Asia. http://www.aeroflot.aero/eng/service.asp?ob_no=3990
57 Atnight: To be fair, you were talking specifically about CO and thier limitations in the domestic market... yet, the only problem I see with your post, is tha
58 RedChili: My experience which I wrote about in reply 24 was a case of official Aeroflot policy, and not only an angry lady. SU had made a niece pice of paper e
59 Hjulicher: If I were to book a flight on SU on the April 14th, would I earn miles? I'm thinking of flying them to FRA from MOW. Returning on the 24th. Do all cla
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You obviously don't know how the process works. Would they be joining if they weren't?
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The fact that they have joined SkyTeam will mean that they will probably make certain changes in their awesome "Aeroflot Bonus" reward program. (Right now it is 15,000miles for a round trip from SVO to anywhere in Germany and Scandinavia!)
and this is not an LCC. On a SU SVO-LED flight (one hour) you actually get a full (and free) meal service. After their recent re-branding, they truly are a world-class airline. Regarding the Tupolevs, they are perfectly safe and reliable. Are you afraid of flying NW's DC-9's? I know I am not.
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