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ONT Readies For A380 Operations  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

California’s Ontario airport on 20 March will reopen a 3,700m (12,200ft)-long runway that has been fortified to handle Airbus A380 aircraft.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...a+readies+for+A380+operations.html

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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3762 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

I guess the airport will only receive the A380 on diversions from other airports such as LAX

Do you think we could see airlines operate the A380F to ONT, or would they rather just operate to the more expensive LAX?

Rob!

[Edited 2006-03-15 16:55:54]

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

If you're reconstructing a runway and improving taxiways anyway, it makes sense to go ahead and plan for the medium/long term future. The added cost is probably minimal compared to the overall project cost. Unfortunately most airport administrators lack that type of vision.

User currently offlinePbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
guess the airport will only receive the A380 on diversions from other airports such as LAX

Do you think we could see airlines operate the A380F to LAX, or would they rather just operate to the more expensive LAX?

Remember that ONT is a major hub for UPS. UPS flies 747s to China six times a week (at least they used to...)

http://english.people.com.cn/200103/31/eng20010331_66517.html

I'm hoping that they base some of their A380's that they have on order at ONT.

I cant wait to see them on approach over my home town in the Inland Empire!

PB


User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3019 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting Pbottenb (Reply 3):
Remember that ONT is a major hub for UPS. UPS flies 747s to China six times a week (at least they used to...)

Yep your correct. UPS has a big presence at ONT. I'm sure the A380s will make an appearance at ONT but one being based there is hard to say.


User currently offlineSkyHarborsHome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Quoting Pbottenb (Reply 3):

Remember that ONT is a major hub for UPS.

Another high point for flying into ONT. I love seeing all the 747's parked there for UPS. I find it interesting that it seems all of them have different designs for the upper deck and they have the old scheme. I believe it was posted on another thread that very few of the 747's will be repainted.

I was wondering when the runway would reopen. They have had the 12,000 ft closed most of last year but this sheds some light on that subject. How much extra 'fortification' is required?



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User currently offlineGolftango From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Ahh, ONT. Growing up in Riverside during the '80s, my family used ONT for most travel. I remember the outside gate area and boarding via airstairs. AirCal, PSA, Republic, all memories now. I also recall a huge case of scale model a/c.

[Edited 2006-03-15 18:58:48]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Do you think we could see airlines operate the A380F to ONT, or would they rather just operate to the more expensive LAX?

LAX is not particularly more expensive to operate into that ONT. In fact, it is one of the cheapest mega airports to operate into in the world. LAX will likely see A380F operations from FX, who have a major operation there and ONT will almost certainly see A380F operations from UPS, who have their trans-pacific hub there.

Quoting SkyHarborsHome (Reply 5):
How much extra 'fortification' is required?

Shouldn't be any. Per wheel, the A380 has no more of a footprint than the 744. As it is, ONT already had stronger runways than many major airports in the US (850,000 pound dual double tandem weight, JFK only has 823,000 pounds and SFO only 710,000).



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

ONT is one diversion airport for LAX (with LAS being another one, should both LAX and ONT be fogged-in). Therefore it is only logical to enable ONT to receive A380 (may it be as diversions or as regular freigthers).
Plus ONT is operated by the same company as LAX.
-HT



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21416 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting SkyHarborsHome (Reply 5):
How much extra 'fortification' is required?

I don't get this. I've heard nothing but how the loading from the A380 is not more than the 747, and any runway designed for the 747 can take the A380 as long as it isn't over a bridge. Is this not true?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
I don't get this. I've heard nothing but how the loading from the A380 is not more than the 747, and any runway designed for the 747 can take the A380 as long as it isn't over a bridge. Is this not true?

Yes, and as far as I know, ONT doesn't have any bridge runways. I can see taxiways possibly being an issue, but I really think this may have just been cover for a runway rehab.

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
Plus ONT is operated by the same company as LAX.

It is not a "company". It is a semi-autonomous agency of the City of Los Angeles.

BTW, the one thing LAX will not need to handle the A380 is stronger runways. It already has the strongest runways of any commercial airport in the US, and probably the world.



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
Quoting HT (Reply 8):
Plus ONT is operated by the same company as LAX.

It is not a "company". It is a semi-autonomous agency of the City of Los Angeles.

Agreed, I ran out of words to correctly describe LAWA.
-HT



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User currently offlinePbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Quoting Golftango (Reply 6):
Ahh, ONT. Growing up in Riverside during the '80s, my family used ONT for most travel. I remember the outside gate area and boarding via airstairs. AirCal, PSA, Republic, all memories now. I also recall a huge case of scale model a/c.

Agreed - I loved the old outdoors luggage convors and walking out on the tarmac to get to the terminal....But I really like the new terminals. I havent seen the models you mentioned since the new terminals opened...


User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

Quoting Golftango (Reply 6):
Ahh, ONT. Growing up in Riverside during the '80s, my family used ONT for most travel. I remember the outside gate area and boarding via airstairs. AirCal, PSA, Republic, all memories now

Me,too.Those were the days.

But if that big guy(A380) is coming to ONT,I'm ready for it.
Great place on Milliken ave for spotting, in which I do business
with some people,right on the flight path.



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User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Quoting Golftango (Reply 6):
Ahh, ONT. Growing up in Riverside during the '80s, my family used ONT for most travel. I remember the outside gate area and boarding via airstairs. AirCal, PSA, Republic, all memories now. I also recall a huge case of scale model a/c.

The case use to be in the north end of the terminal, right next to the car rental counters. ONT was my hometown airport growing up. I really miss the old terminal. I just can't get use to the new ones. They are just too sterile feeling.


User currently offlineGolftango From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Quoting RampRat74 (Reply 14):
The case use to be in the north end of the terminal, right next to the car rental counters.

Ah yes, now I remember where, it was to the left as you entered the rental car counter area.


User currently offlineDrExotica From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 13):
But if that big guy(A380) is coming to ONT,I'm ready for it. Great place on Milliken ave for spotting, in which I do business
with some people,right on the flight path.

Miliken is a good place to sit - right in the flightpath. The only problem is that UPS seems to land all the 747Fs between 3am and 4am. If I am laying in bed awake in the middle of the night, I can hear them coming in (3 or 4 every night)...



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