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AeroRepublica Orders The E-190  
User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Just announced over Yahoo finance, 5 firm with 20 options.


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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

New it would be soon. I had been predicting this for a long time, The number seems a bit low, only 5 firm?

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

any information when the aircrafts will be delivered?

anyway sounds great!



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4422 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3732 times:

Great day for E190s.
Anyone have any info about E's production capabilities, and backlog?
Thanks.


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
any information when the aircrafts will be delivered?

anyway sounds great!

First delivery November 2006

Heres a link to the article

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060315/mxw002.html?.v=33

What is interesting is the hight number of options, maybe CM wants to secure delivery slots for future growth.

In my opinion this airplane will allow P5 to operate more point to point service to international destinations from secondary cities in Colombia that previously were routed through BOG.

I hope this means they will also introduce Clase Ejecutiva on P5 flights soon.

[Edited 2006-03-15 19:04:33]

User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

Quoting Luisca (Reply 4):
What is interesting is the hight number of options, maybe CM wants to secure delivery slots for future growth.

What are CM's plans to fully integrate P5's operations into their own? It appears the acquisition of the E190 is the first step to fleet homogenization.

What are CM's commercialization plans for P5? Will CM apply its branding to P5, or will the Colombian carrier continue marketing itself as AeroRepública? Will P5 only operate domestic cabotage routes within Colombia, or will it also operate international routes ex-MDE and ex-BOG?

Do CM/P5 have contingency plans to operate flights ex-CCS, should Venezuela and the US fail to reach an agreement regarding CAT I status from the FAA?


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

If the Colombia - Panama bilateral makes the need for CM to own P5 in order to offer more frequencies between Panama and Colombia, it's a good idea for CM that P5 would have fleet commonality.


I don't work for COPA Airlines!
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Wow!
That is fantastic news! I love the plane, and I am very glad that it will be operating in Colombia.


User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Good for AeroRepublica and for us spotters to see things different than MD-80s here, I didn't expect the order so soon, but I'm glad as I said.
I just hope it is not the beginning of AeroRepública having a Copaish color scheme.



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Congratulations P5!!!!!!!!!!!! I think those are great news for Colombian airports, which will hace a brand new visitor, not so common around here. Can't wait to see one in their livery.

Now, we'll just have to sit and wait for AV's expected order. A and B must be getting ready for their proposals, which have a deadline late this month.

So far, great news for colombian aviantion.


Good luck.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

That is great. Those E-jets are very good looking planes and will fit perfectly on P5's plans.

I won't get my hopes up about the livery, I am pretty sure they will change it for a CO/CM alike pretty soon  Sad



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

Official Press release:

http://www.embraer.com.br/institucio...PC-Aerorepublica_190_sale-I-06.pdf



I hope they have PTVs



Good luck



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Wonderful news indeed. It sure surprises me as I didn't expect to see regular E-jet services so soon in Colombia. The first delivery is barely 8 months away.

Quoting Luisca (Reply 1):
New it would be soon. I had been predicting this for a long time, The number seems a bit low, only 5 firm?

I believe it's a reasonable number based on the current fleet size of AeroRepublica. Ordering more frames would mean doubling the fleet in a second, which would basically result in many spare aircraft with no inmediate place to send them.

I see two interesting points that could eventually take place:

  • AeroRepublica already serves all of Colombia's main domestic routes with its current fleet, and they can still take care of the PTY-bound feeder services from MDE, CLO and CTG. I definitely picture AeroRepublica expanding elsewhere, possibly international, as there is no case in simply bringing these new birds in order to increase frequencies in the already existing national routes [most of them are already over-served]


  • It's likely that AeroRepublica will get rid of the couple of older DC-9s left in the fleet, which have been threatened to leave since quite a while ago. The smaller DC-9s are extremely useful for operating one or two of the several daily BOG-MDE and BOG-CLO shuttle flights. Given that frequency in these routes is higher, there is not always the demand for the MD-83's capacity [the mid-morning flights tend to be lighter for instance], cases where the E-jets will probably come-in handy as well.




  • SOUTHAMERICA



    User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
    Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

    It just makes me sad to think the DC-9s will go. DC-9 is the Airplane I have flown the most in my life and all the times with AeroRepública, they bring me memories of long gone flights, the blue, red and yellow colors and the AeroRecocha times. Besides, when they go the only DC-9 operating here will be baby diesel 9-15 that belongs to LAS Cargo... and I don't get to see that one very much.

    This will be one of the bad things of the E-Jets coming besides the Copa scheme thing if it's made.

    [Edited 2006-03-15 21:41:20]


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    User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

    I just read in the Embraer news release that they will be configured in a single class layout and I cant believe they are going to do this, what is wrong with CM/P5? in order for P5 to market themselves as a world class international airline they need to offer benefits to their higher paying customers, also passengers connecting to P5 flights from CM flights and that were travelling in Clase Ejecutiva in Copa wont like flying coach on P5.

    Quoting 757MDE (Reply 8):
    I just hope it is not the beginning of AeroRepública having a Copaish color scheme.

    Don't get your hopes to high, you will be lucky if they say Aerorepublica at all.

    Quoting 777jaah (Reply 11):
    I hope they have PTVs

    Seeing that CM didn't even bother to put IFE in their E jets I highly doubt you will see PTV's. Especially since CM seems to be maintaining P5 as a coach only airline.


    User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
    Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

    Quoting Luisca (Reply 14):
    Don't get your hopes to high, you will be lucky if they say Aerorepublica at all.

    Yes yes I know... but hope is the last thing to be lost, and will be lost the day I see an AeroRepública plane painted with that scheme with this eyes the worms are going to eat pff. When that happens I'll whine like an elder grandpa and damn Copa and then after some 37 minutes I might start to calm down.

    [Edited 2006-03-15 21:52:51]


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    User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

    After almost 2 months of lurking aruond the forums since my momo would not py for my membership, im back.

    Good to see P5 order the E190, but they should order more....

    Maybe when the MD-80 leases are near expiration they should order a fleet of E190/B73G.

    I cant believe im back!!!!!!!!



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    User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 40
    Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

    Nice! Congrats to both companies!!

    Great to see more of them flying within South America! Hopefully we'll have some Brazilian airline order soon!

    Saludos!



    "If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
    User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
    Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

    Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 16):
    After almost 2 months of lurking aruond the forums since my momo would not py for my membership, im back.

    Good to see P5 order the E190, but they should order more....

    Maybe when the MD-80 leases are near expiration they should order a fleet of E190/B73G.

    I cant believe im back!!!!!!!!

    first welcome back!

    well they have also 20 options, that should be enough,

    btw, look for a job and you wont be wait till you mom paid the bill in future....

    regards
    avianca



    Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
    User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
    Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

    Quoting Luisca (Reply 14):
    I just read in the Embraer news release that they will be configured in a single class layout and I cant believe they are going to do this, what is wrong with CM/P5? in order for P5 to market themselves as a world class international airline they need to offer benefits to their higher paying customers, also passengers connecting to P5 flights from CM flights and that were travelling in Clase Ejecutiva in Copa wont like flying coach on P5.

    How many times Business Class passengers complain that commuter planes (like E120/135/140/145) only have economy class?
    Wouldn't CM be making P5 look like their Colombian commuter/regional airline?
    IMHO, for flights of less than 75min, Business Class seats aren't really needed that much.



    I don't work for COPA Airlines!
    User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
    Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

    Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 19):
    IMHO, for flights of less than 75min, Business Class seats aren't really needed that much.

    Specially if you are a business person, you want to have access to all the business class's benefits, regardless of the duration of the trip... (Preferred check in counters, comfortable seats, laptop hook ups, VIP rooms, etc...)

    Sometimes you pay for the ticket of an important client and you can't send him on coach...that is a big liability when conducting businesses..



    I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
    User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 374 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

    Good news for Colombia! I hope to see some E-Jets down here in Argentina some time...

    User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1113 posts, RR: 5
    Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

    Quoting Argentina (Reply 21):
    I hope to see some E-Jets down here in Argentina some time...

    The E-jets appear perfect for regional city-pairs with high frequencies, AEP-MVD, AEP-COR, etc. Maybe AR, PU or LA/4M will acquire some in the future.

    However, AR needs to i) settle labor issues; ii) integrate its 737-500's; and iii) consolidate its financial position before considering an order for Embraer's wonderful E-jets.

    Should AR succeed in listing its shares on the Bolsa de Buenos Aires [which has been planned for several years] and, perhaps, even listing on the NYSE like JJ, CM, LA and G3, then it can plan for significant strategic investments.


    User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2930 times:

    Quoting PPVRA (Reply 17):
    Hopefully we'll have some Brazilian airline order soon

    what about those JJ talks???

    haven´t heard anything else.



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    User currently offlineGeorgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 579 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2906 times:
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    Congrats to both Embraer and Aerorepublica! Just curious any plans for 737NG'S being used to replace and expand Aerorepublica's fleet?

    25 2travel2know : The only way I could imagine to see a P5 Next Generation B737 could be if they're to fly MDE/BOG - U.S.A. For domestic and regional (Países Bolivari
    26 Luisca : In an interview I read somewhere I think I remember Heilbron saying that they evaluated the E170 and determined that it did not provide siginificant
    27 757MDE : I just somewhere AeroRepública's Embraer 190s will have 108 seats... isn't 108 seats the capacity of the Embraer 195? waaaaaa?
    28 Post contains images PPVRA : You're right! I forgot about those, but haven't heard anything else either. 118 for the E95 Cheers!
    29 RCS763AV : No. Routes such as BOG-MDE, BOG-CLO, BOG-CTG, BOG-BAQ and BOG-ADZ are very dense to fly them with 90 seaters, of course some flights could be done on
    30 Post contains images Legacy135 : I am glad to see you back! Actually I was wondering already where you've been Well, it's a question of the product you want to - and can - sell. AV h
    31 Post contains images RICARIZA : They added the Elite Access of One Pass in BOG, so they should consider the business seats too, don't you think?:
    32 757MDE : If they don't like all coach go fly other airline and quit yer whine
    33 SOUTHAMERICA : Not a very business-driven mentality huh Andres? Seriously though, it would be extremely contradictory if Copa were to be thinking like that, having
    34 CM767 : My take on this is that eventually this will happen, it took also a while for CM to introduce "Clase ejecutiva" but it did not happened overnight.
    35 Post contains links SOUTHAMERICA : I would like to share the following interview where Pedro Heilbron answered many interesting questions regarding the future of AeroRepublica: Intervie
    36 Post contains images Tavong : Yep and it's surely that the name will change Gus SKBO
    37 757MDE : Juaaa I was drunk when I wrote that, pff.
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