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Air Berlin To Start STN-ZRH?  
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 22
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Just wondering if anybody has heard much about the rumours of AB starting a STN-ZRH service?Is it likely to happen in your opinion?

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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1669 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

Donder10,

Could well be, as they're making both STN and ZRH a hub at present, and connecting two hubs is a smart move  Smile

(funny username you have, you happen to be ex-Dutch ?)



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

It would be very good news if they did. As far as I know, there are no LCC flights from ZRH to anywhere in the UK.

User currently offlineWorldspotterPL From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Would be very good news...since the cheapest way to ZRH from LHR at the moment is 100 pounds (maybe you can get somewhat cheaper from LGW)...a few years back there used to be flights from 80 pounds on BA and LX...LCC is desperately needed...


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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5564 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3920 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
It would be very good news if they did. As far as I know, there are no LCC flights from ZRH to anywhere in the UK.

Not true. Helvetic (2L) flies twice a day to London Luton.


User currently offlineFelixZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 4):
Not true. Helvetic (2L) flies twice a day to London Luton.

The question is only if Helvetic (Ebnair (sorry, couldn't resist)) is a LCC especially after the things Martin Ebner (the new important shareholder of Helvetic) said in interviews about fare raises.

By the way. Nice to see you ZRH here back on a.net.

Greets, Felix


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

I don't think Helvetic are doing too good on the LTN -ZRH route...

I read in another thread that Helvetic were only managing 20-30 passengers on the flights.

With their prices they can barely call themselves a LCC, when I have looked into fares on the route they are usually over 100 Euro's each way plus tax.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 4):
Not true. Helvetic (2L) flies twice a day to London Luton.

OK. Missed that. (But who wants to fly to Luton??!  Wink )


User currently offlineGearup380 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 85 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

Now am I completely wrong here or is it that there are already AB flights ZRH-STN-ZRH?

ZRH-STN AB8119
STN-ZRH AB8747 & AB8229



Excess baggage? Oh come on...
User currently offlineFelixZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Quoting Gearup380 (Reply 8):
Now am I completely wrong here or is it that there are already AB flights ZRH-STN-ZRH?

No. These flights have have the "via" marking. And the flight time suggests as well that it can not be direct. I suppose it's via DUS but I'm not sure on this.
On the Air Berlin page I find no information when this flight starts. Only the information on the coming flights to FRA and FCO.

Greets Felix


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

I think the current offe is a "via"-connection.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a ZRH-STN by AB, although competition is strong on the London route. Helvetic is no competition and AB would give them the final blow on this route. And don't forget LX which is offering very low prices to Heathrow for early bookers.

RJ100

Edit: FelixZRH was faster...

[Edited 2006-03-16 11:26:06]


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User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1558 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

No wonder Helvetic are suffering with poor loads. I've never heard of them and have never seen them advertise the route!

User currently offlineHBJZA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

There was a time when U2 operated LTN and LGW out of ZRH. If only ZRH had agreed on airport taxes cut that U2 proposed, there would be a huge U2 network in ZRH now !(U2 went to BSL instead).

So I wish good luck to AB...


User currently offlineGearup380 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 85 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Quoting FelixZRH (Reply 9):
No. These flights have have the "via" marking. And the flight time suggests as well that it can not be direct. I suppose it's via DUS but I'm not sure on this.
On the Air Berlin page I find no information when this flight starts. Only the information on the coming flights to FRA and FCO.

Yeah, that's indeed a bit irritating. On their route map, the flight shows as direct. Also, the flight number AB8119 suggests it is direct.

So maybe somebody with experience on this route. Are they just making a stop somewhere or do you really need to change planes?



Excess baggage? Oh come on...
User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

Zurich is obviously marketed in Northern Europe as a "via DUS" destination. Saw the other week Air Berlin adverts in Helsinki offering HEL-ZRH (via DUS). Same should apply to CPH and STN.

User currently onlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 6):
I don't think Helvetic are doing too good on the LTN -ZRH route...

Does anyone have the CAA statistics for the route?

Helevetic have chopped a lot of routes recently and reduced their fleet but the LTN service has remained. It cant be doing that badly



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

According to CAA there are between 30 and 40 passengers per flight. Would be cheaper to use an ATR or Saab  Wink

Even worse if you consider that they need to sell 10% of the seats for the lowest advertised price (that is 1 Euro or 19Euro). So the first passengers go for 1 Euro (or 19?) and the most others for 29 and 39 Euros.

I really cannot see where they want to earn money on that route. And if this is really one of their better routes then good night Helvetic.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineFelixZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 16):
Would be cheaper to use an ATR or Saab

http://www.aerpix.net/00-system/zrhpreview.htm:

Quote:

17MAR OAW002 SB20 HELVETIC 08:05 LTN HBIZJ DARWIN A/C
17MAR OAW003/OAW032 SB20 HELVETIC LTN 1215 13:30 PMI HBIZJ DARWIN A/C
17MAR OAW033 SB20 HELVETIC PMI 1810 HBIZJ DARWIN A/C

That's exactly what they are doing tomorrow on the flights to LTN and PMI with an Darwin aircraft.

Greets, Felix


User currently onlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Quoting FelixZRH (Reply 17):
That's exactly what they are doing tomorrow on the flights to LTN and PMI with an Darwin aircraft.

It must be costing them a bit to charter the aircraft



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