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Malasyia Joining Skyteam?  
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

folks! it seems MH is on the verge of joining Skyteam

Quote:
Malaysia Airlines plans broader alliance with Air France KLM - report
KUALA LUMPUR (AFX) - Malaysian Airline System Bhd plans to enter into an alliance with Air France KLM beyond the current code-sharing arrangements, although no timetable for such a deal has been fixed, The Star newspaper reported, citing Malaysia Airlines managing director Idris Jala.

He said the national carrier is also looking at improving bilateral code-sharing arrangements and joining alliances with other airlines.

Earlier news reports have said that Malaysia Airlines plans to join SkyTeam, a global air alliance.

SkyTeam, which currently has nine members, is one of three main global air alliances. The others are Star Alliance and OneWorld.

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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Dear Malaysia Airlines,

We would like you to join the Bankruptcy/in-trouble Alliance. We have a history of carriers that are either in Bankruptcy, having major issues or just recovering. We feel that with you current economic problems you would fit very well into our alliance. You will be joining the likes of Northwest (BK), Delta (BK), Korean (Pilor Union issue), Alitalia (BK), and KLM (Recently merged with Air France).

Sincerely,
Skyteam Airline Alliance
KLM-Air France



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 1):
We would like you to join the Bankruptcy/in-trouble Alliance.

Hmmm..... Sound a lot like the other bankrupt trying to do better alliance known as Star Alliance!

UA(BK-Trying to play like bigger problems are not ahead), US(BK-Trying anything to be strong, anything), AC(BK-And a crappy scheme), RG(BK-Currupt...et al), SK(Near Death), BD(The British Joke), NZ(The not so hot South Pacific airline that is a shadow of its former self)


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 2):
Hmmm..... Sound a lot like the other bankrupt trying to do better alliance known as Star Alliance!

UA(BK-Trying to play like bigger problems are not ahead), US(BK-Trying anything to be strong, anything), AC(BK-And a crappy scheme), RG(BK-Currupt...et al), SK(Near Death), BD(The British Joke), NZ(The not so hot South Pacific airline that is a shadow of its former self)

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Nonetheless, well said!

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

That certainly would be sweet if they did. It could help a fair amount with the southeast Asia hole in SkyTeam. Now if we can just get them to fly to ATL.


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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 2):
UA(BK-Trying to play like bigger problems are not ahead), US(BK-Trying anything to be strong, anything), AC(BK-And a crappy scheme), RG(BK-Currupt...et al), SK(Near Death), BD(The British Joke), NZ(The not so hot South Pacific airline that is a shadow of its former self)

How cute, yet none of those North American carriers are bankrupt at this point. Air Canada being quite healthy financially.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 1):
We would like you to join the Bankruptcy/in-trouble Alliance. We have a history of carriers that are either in Bankruptcy, having major issues or just recovering. We feel that with you current economic problems you would fit very well into our alliance. You will be joining the likes of Northwest (BK), Delta (BK), Korean (Pilor Union issue), Alitalia (BK), and KLM (Recently merged with Air France).

Sincerely,
Skyteam Airline Alliance
KLM-Air France

Alitalia is technically not bankrupt either, although everyone knows how badly they were doing (seems to be slightly improving itself).

Also even though you say KLM recently merged with Air France, it is more of a buy out (official name is Air France - KLM).


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

Seriously
I have to say that MAS joining Skyteam is not unexpected. I had thought they would have joined up earlier. I wonder if Garuda will take a stab at Skyteam as well.

What will be the overlap between Korean Airlines and MAS?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

MH will close a gap in SE Asia. Now the only other gap to fill for SkyTeam is Central and South America; currently, only AM, DL and AF have each a few destinations there: GUA, SJO, PTY, CCS, BOG, UIO, LIM, SCL, EZE, MVD, GRU and GIG. Actually, only GRU is served by a fourth SkyTeam member: KE.

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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

These rumours should be backed up by the fact that the four cities mentioned to be remaining in MH's Euro network are LHR, AMS, CDG, and FCO. The latter three, as we know, SkyTeam's European strongholds. Forgot where I read this.

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 2):
UA(BK-Trying to play like bigger problems are not ahead), US(BK-Trying anything to be strong, anything), AC(BK-And a crappy scheme), RG(BK-Currupt...et al), SK(Near Death), BD(The British Joke), NZ(The not so hot South Pacific airline that is a shadow of its former self)

Don't forget LX (joining soon-bailed out by LH)!



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User currently offlineFewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 7):
Now the only other gap to fill for SkyTeam is Central and South America

Boy, if it were only that simple. I see holes in India, The Gulf, Australia, Southern Africa. But SE Asia and South America are certainly the gaps that SkyTeam has been meaning to fill as their highest priority for years.


User currently offlineDiesel33 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 7):
MH will close a gap in SE Asia. Now the only other gap to fill for SkyTeam is Central and South America; currently, only AM, DL and AF have each a few destinations there: GUA, SJO, PTY, CCS, BOG, UIO, LIM, SCL, EZE, MVD, GRU and GIG. Actually, only GRU is served by a fourth SkyTeam member: KE.

Don't forget CO which serves numerous airports in Mexico and Belize City, Guatemala City, Flores/Tikal, San Salvador, Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula, Roatan, San Jose, Liberia, Panama City, Managua, Cali, Bogota, Caracas, Quito, Guayaquil, Lima, Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 2):
Hmmm..... Sound a lot like the other bankrupt trying to do better alliance known as Star Alliance!

UA(BK-Trying to play like bigger problems are not ahead), US(BK-Trying anything to be strong, anything), AC(BK-And a crappy scheme), RG(BK-Currupt...et al), SK(Near Death), BD(The British Joke), NZ(The not so hot South Pacific airline that is a shadow of its former self)

I understand that AC is actually doing ok. As for UA, it isn't in a much trouble as DL or NW.
NZ on the other hand... "a shadow of its former self"? how do you justify saying that? NZ is actually the largest it has ever been right now (with the exemption of it formally owning AN which was still considered a separate business). It is almost as profitable now as it pretty much ever was (except for the high fuel costs) which not many airlines can currently claim. NZ is also currently undergoing a lot of restructuring to improve it more and is undergoing its biggest fleet expansion (has orders for 8 772ERs, 4 787s, 17 Q300's and options for another 40 widebody a/c). So no I don't think NZ is a shadow of its former self, just a more nimble and perhaps less bold airline.



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User currently offlineBA0242 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

It would be great to have MH in SkyTeam.

Hopefully they will codeshare with AeroMexico in routes between North America and Asia. The Mexico-Asia market is growing a lot, especially with destination China and Taiwan.

And why not? Maybe they could think about coming back to Mexico and restrart the 744 twice-a-week flight they had in the 90'S operating KUL-TPE-LAX-MEX. I recall the LAX-MEX-LAX leg of this MH route was very profitable, and the main reason why the stopped operations in MEX is because they lost their freedom for traffic between MEX and LAX, due to strong competition with Mexican and US carriers (please correct me if wrong)... but if they codeshare with a Mexican carrier (AM), couldn't they restart these operations with traffic rights between US and Mexico?
Would be nice to see MH back in MEX codesharing with AM in SkyTeam.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 7):
Now the only other gap to fill for SkyTeam is Central and South America

Uhm..CO and DL are huge to Central America and to the major cities in South America. Adding a member that could handle the smaller South American cities would be nice though.

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 9):
I see holes in India, The Gulf, Australia, Southern Africa.

India...yes. I wish they could strike up some agreement with Jet Airways or Indian Airlines.

The Gulf...somewhat. AF handles some of thes locations and so does Royal Maroc. It could be better though.

Austrailia...very much so but KE and MH service the bigger cities. Without sucking QANTAS away from OneWorld or adding someone like Virgin Blue you won't get far in Oz.

South Africa...Kind of bad. AF serves lots of Africa and all the major cities in South Africa. Unfortunately SAA is going to Star so that ship has sailed.



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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 10):
Don't forget CO which serves numerous airports in Mexico and Belize City, Guatemala City, Flores/Tikal, San Salvador, Tegucigalpa, San Pedro Sula, Roatan, San Jose, Liberia, Panama City, Managua, Cali, Bogota, Caracas, Quito, Guayaquil, Lima, Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires.

Right! How could I miss CO?

I stand corrected (Altough Mexico is not a part of Central America).

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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

Quoting Aseem (Thread starter):
folks! it seems MH is on the verge of joining Skyteam

It's still a ways off. Nothing is for sure until an invitation is issued.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 1):
We would like you to join the Bankruptcy/in-trouble Alliance. We have a history of carriers that are either in Bankruptcy, having major issues or just recovering. We feel that with you current economic problems you would fit very well into our alliance. You will be joining the likes of Northwest (BK), Delta (BK), Korean (Pilor Union issue), Alitalia (BK), and KLM (Recently merged with Air France).

Hey, thanks for adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
That certainly would be sweet if they did. It could help a fair amount with the southeast Asia hole in SkyTeam.

There's not really a hole that NW and CZ wont have covered already.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 6):
I wonder if Garuda will take a stab at Skyteam as well.

No.

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 9):
Boy, if it were only that simple. I see holes in India, The Gulf, Australia, Southern Africa. But SE Asia and South America are certainly the gaps that SkyTeam has been meaning to fill as their highest priority for years.

Asia is covered well by NW and CZ. South America is covered well by DL, CO, AM, and associate partner, Copa. India is covered by DL, CO, NW, KL, AF, AZ. Africa is covered by AF, DL, KL, and associate partner Kenya. There's not much demand for the smaller cities in the middle east right now, for obvious reasons. Australia is about it, and MH will enhance that.

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 7):
Now the only other gap to fill for SkyTeam is Central and South America;

See above ^


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 2):
AC(BK-And a crappy scheme),

Crappy scheme, maybe... Bankrupt.. NO!!!

2005 FULL YEAR OVERVIEW
- Net income of $258 million.
- Operating income of $452 million compared to operating income,
before reorganization and restructuring items, of $117 million in
2004, an improvement of $335 million.
- Income before non-controlling interest, foreign exchange and income
tax of $367 million.
- Passenger revenues increased $960 million or 13 per cent reflecting
unit passenger revenue improvements from both yield and traffic.
- Excluding fuel expense, unit cost down 4 per cent versus 2004.
- Fuel costs up $592 million year-over-year.
- EBITDAR of $1,351 million, up $205 million from 2004.
- $792 million raised from ACE equity and convertible note offerings.
- $287.5 million raised from IPO of Aeroplan.
- Announced Jazz IPO in November 2005 which closed on February 2, 2006.
- Delivery of 45 Bombardier and Embraer regional jets.
- Entered into agreements for the delivery of up to 96 state-of-the-art
Boeing wide-body aircraft.

http://micro.newswire.ca/release.cgi...y=1402101203&view=13213-0&Start=10

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8580 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3404 times:
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Quoting B777-700 (Reply 15):
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
That certainly would be sweet if they did. It could help a fair amount with the southeast Asia hole in SkyTeam.

There's not really a hole that NW and CZ wont have covered already.

sorry , I disagree , leaving aside that fact that CZ is not yet in Skyteam
( and that their membership seems to have gone into a holding pattern ) neither CZ nor NW have full coverage of S E Asia , NWs NRT hub is no more conveniently located for SE Asia than KEs ICN hub , CZs CAN hub is slightly better , but one more well-placed hub ( KUL ) would definitely reduce the need for backtracking thus saving both time and mileage for those important high yield travellers trying to cover off a number of points in Asia on a single business trip .




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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 6):
I wonder if Garuda will take a stab at Skyteam as well.

Not to sure - It was reported recently that LH is eyeing up a stake in the airline.


User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1692 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 18):
and that their membership seems to have gone into a holding pattern

It was published overhere in the Netherlands, CZ will join Skyteam in the Fall of 2006...

Not sure, though, if MH will join Skyteam; apparently, AF is still against it and the main obstacle for an unanimous acceptance by the members !!!



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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
leaving aside that fact that CZ is not yet in Skyteam
( and that their membership seems to have gone into a holding pattern )

They will be, and no it's not. Look for them this fall / winter.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 17):
neither CZ nor NW have full coverage of S E Asia , NWs NRT hub is no more conveniently located for SE Asia than KEs ICN hub

Oh yea, I left out KE. So yea, Asia would be well covered. MH would give a decent presence in Australasia

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 18):
Quoting Centrair (Reply 6):
I wonder if Garuda will take a stab at Skyteam as well.

Not to sure - It was reported recently that LH is eyeing up a stake in the airline.

One again, no.


User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

i would personally like to see MAS in star alliance =)

Aaron =)



Not been on here for a good 2/3 years!
User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 9):
I see holes in India, The Gulf, Australia, Southern Africa.

Doesn't look like Oz will be filled and Africa has KQ. However, maybe Jet or EK might join?



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User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Don't forget that Skyteam has 5 airlines coming into the alliance as associated parterns... which include UX, CM (giving a very strong latin-america presence), KQ, Tarom and MEA... of course, this are not as important as MH or CZ or Aeroflot (which will become the 10th full partner next month)... So really, this alliance is becoming quite interesting...


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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 15):
South America is covered well by DL, CO, AM, and associate partner, Copa.

I must disagree with this. AF, AM, CO, and DL do a good job providing transportation to/from the main cities in Central and South America, and Europe, Mexico, and the USA. However, this good connectivity is not there between Central and South American intra-regional destinations.

CM could do that to some extent... If only its status as "associate" (read, "owned") of/by CO would translate into giving benefits to all SkyTeam flying pax and not only to members of CO's OnePass program. In more than one occasion I've filled out a little recommendation form saying CM would profit from offering benefits to other SkyTeam programs, such as AM's Club Premier, DL's SkyMiles, AF/KL's Flying Blue, or KE's Skypass, to name a few.

And by saying 'to some extent', I mean CM's PTY hub does provide an excellent bridge for connections between North and South America, but not really for intra-regional flights. In an ideal world, if LP grew operations out of its LIM hub, or if AV got its act together to better leveraging BOG, or to a lesser extent, some Brazilian player was up to the challenge, they would do a lot more for closing gaps...

All in all, I believe I would favor the inclusion in SkyTeam of both AV and CM.

But that's me, just a miles-hungry SkyTeam Elite Plus loyal member.

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25 Intothinair : Is this true? MH is dropping FRA from its network? I would have never thought that this would happen! weird, I wouldn't have thought that MH makes mo
26 Post contains links CXA330300 : Its at the end of this article: http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_New...onday/Column/BT554852.txt/Article/
27 EddieDude : This is something that I have always wondered about and this is not very clear to me yet. I know that the main beneficiaries of flying with CM are CO
28 Post contains links and images Econojetter : http://biz.thestar.com.my/archives/2006/3/21/business/p4-maspics.JPG See caption above the bottom image. Couldn't resist...
29 MAS777 : absolutely brilliant - ROFL...
30 DLPMMM : Isn't that the wrong end of the horse to be taking to?
31 Runway23 : Is that the lounge dragon at an AF/KL lounge?
32 MAS777 : Don't be silly - they've already got past her as the pic surely IS of the AF/KL Lounge!
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