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A380: MSN012 Is Out Of The Hangar  
User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11142 times:

MSN012 is now out of the hangar and has been photographed by FFAS, being towed by a TBL.

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=460142

I have a question, why has MSN012 got a gold tail, when it is going to SIA.

Good colour also, can#t they do a gold A380. Big grin


Tom.


Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11126 times:

Have any of you who pay attention to this stuff noticed any physical alterations or changes to the aircraft from 001-012. Just curious with all the wing problems and other if any physical alterations are noticeable

User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11112 times:

Excuse what may be a dumb question but does this mean this is the 12th A380 made? Do the serial numbers work sequentially?

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Thread starter):
I have a question, why has MSN012 got a gold tail, when it is going to SIA.

Just a guess: it's the basis for a special colour scheme SIA are putting on an A380 for promotional purposes? It certainly looks like 'their' shade of gold.

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 1):
all the wing problems

"All"? I'm aware of one problem. What else?


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Thread starter):
I have a question, why has MSN012 got a gold tail, when it is going to SIA.

I dare to guess that the tail was painted in some kind of primer. I'm still waiting to finally see the first GP powered A380 though.  Silly


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11002 times:

F-WWOW - MSN001
F-WXXL -MSN002
F-WWSA - MSN003
F-WWDD - MSN004
F-WWSB - MSN005
F-WWSC - MSN006
F-WWSD - MSN007
F-WWSE - MSN008
F-WWSI - MSN012

I will fill in the gaps later.

Tom.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11002 times:

"All"? I'm aware of one problem. What else?
****

There have been numerous problems with this aircraft. Nothing that I would view as a huge problem, but endless delays, overweight, weaker than expected wing, and so on.

My comment was more meant to be read as wing problems etc. Anyways, point is, are their any visible changes


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10984 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
I dare to guess that the tail was painted in some kind of primer. I'm still waiting to finally see the first GP powered A380 though.

The A380 tails are normally white or in the Airbus standard primer or the Airline colours.

Tom.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineTifoso From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10984 times:

New SIA livery by any chance?  Smile

The golden tail looks very cool.  bigthumbsup 

BTW, is it only me, or does the wing not have winglets installed yet?


User currently offlineTaromA380 From Romania, joined Sep 2005, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10807 times:

I can't see the engines either ! I doubt this thing can fly !

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10798 times:

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 8):
BTW, is it only me, or does the wing not have winglets installed yet?

I don't know if you've had your winglets installed or not as I don't have any pictures of you to confirm, but no, this A380 is lacking them.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10758 times:

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 9):
I can't see the engines either !

I believe it's a weight-saving thing...


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10726 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
I believe it's a weight-saving thing...

Nice one PM.  Smile

But their is nothing better than some Trent's hanging on those magnificent wings.

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10705 times:

Perhaps there's a new livery or special livery in the pipeline as MSN003 (F-WWSA) and MSN006 (F-WWSC) rolled-out with "traditional" (albeit slightly different) SQ tails:


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whereas MSN012 (F-WWSI) seems to have a "golden" tail:


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[Edited 2006-03-17 11:19:09]

User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10639 times:

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 6):
There have been numerous problems with this aircraft. Nothing that I would view as a huge problem, but endless delays, overweight, weaker than expected wing, and so on.

- 6-9 months delay is not endless.
- "Overweight" ? weight savings plans are always part of the development of any aircraft.
- "Weaker than expected wing"... : more a PR issue
- "and so on" : like what ?



Never trust the obvious
User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10536 times:

Quoting Aither (Reply 14):
"Overweight" ? weight savings plans are always part of the development of any aircraft.
- "Weaker than expected wing"... : more a PR issue

Just for the record, according to Airbus' vice-president engineering, Alain Garcia, there is a direct connection between the weight problem and the wing problem:-

"Garcia says that the FEM calculations had already established that the A380’s wing had “no margin at ultimate load. We had a weight saving programme and ‘played the game’ to achieve ultimate load.”

http://a380.startspot.nl/



"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineTifoso From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Quoting Tifoso (Reply 8):
BTW, is it only me, or does the wing not have winglets installed yet?

I don't know if you've had your winglets installed or not as I don't have any pictures of you to confirm, but no, this A380 is lacking them.

Haha...Ikramerica...that's what happens when you post on the forum half asleep Big grin  Wink


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9109 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10193 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Thread starter):
I have a question, why has MSN012 got a gold tail, when it is going to SIA.

Could it be paper or that decal type material they laser cut and apply then peal off ? I thought the tail was painted and balanced before installation ?

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 2):
Excuse what may be a dumb question but does this mean this is the 12th A380 made? Do the serial numbers work sequentially?

Understand SQ wanted a specific MSN sequence which was "lucky", maybe the MSN order is not the production order.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 15):
http://a380.startspot.nl/

Thanks for the link, seems a number of positive comments as well.



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User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10159 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 17):
Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 2):
Excuse what may be a dumb question but does this mean this is the 12th A380 made? Do the serial numbers work sequentially?

IIRC, the order are as follows: MSN 001, 004, 002, 007, 009, 003, 005, 006, 008. These are the order that they leave the hangar, and 001 will be retained by Airbus. I do remember about a thread here about the MSN order..

[Edited 2006-03-17 14:18:58]

User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9637 times:

Quoting StudentFlyer (Reply 18):

IIRC, the order are as follows: MSN 001, 004, 002, 007, 009, 003, 005, 006, 008. These are the order that they leave the hangar, and 001 will be retained by Airbus. I do remember about a thread here about the MSN order..



Quoting Zeke (Reply 17):

Understand SQ wanted a specific MSN sequence which was "lucky", maybe the MSN order is not the production order.



Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 5):
F-WWOW - MSN001
F-WXXL -MSN002
F-WWSA - MSN003
F-WWDD - MSN004
F-WWSB - MSN005
F-WWSC - MSN006
F-WWSD - MSN007
F-WWSE - MSN008
F-WWSI - MSN012

Thanks for your answers.
So as SQ are launch customer they get the first one but do they get all their order first then QF, EK etc etc or do the airlines determine the delivery order by the dates/number they request/order?


User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

the tail on that plane looks very groovy  Wink

Aaron =)



Not been on here for a good 2/3 years!
User currently offlineThebry From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9550 times:
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This is flat-out cool! I love seeing aircraft at this stage in manufacture. Almost ready to fly. Can't wait to see one of these in revenue service.

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9510 times:

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 19):
So as SQ are launch customer they get the first one but do they get all their order first then QF, EK etc etc or do the airlines determine the delivery order by the dates/number they request/order?

You might find this web page/site interesting:

http://www.plane-spotters.net/Produc...arch.html?searchtext=a380&search=2


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9473 times:

Interesting development. I saw this video about the production of the big boy. The large parts like wings an fuselage sections are assembled in one building and the thing looks like this when it gets to another building where they put on the engines and other missing parts. Than it is being towed to the painting building.

The tail is indeed confusing. I think I saw a tail coming out of a Beluge, already painted. Why is this one not painted?


User currently offlineBroocy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9089 times:

Maybe it is simply a primer-coat/under-coat?

Having done some painting, its always a case of light colours first, followed by dark colours. Wouldn't it then be a simple case of masking off the SIA logo and painting the darker blue and orange stripe over the lighter gold colour?


25 Post contains links Leelaw : Perhaps the linked photo is the one you recall?: http://events.airbus.com/A380/ow_ope...ict.aspx?url=./Images/MME/1753.JPG Why have you concluded the
26 Thorben : That could be. The colour looks somewhat like the bird in the SQ logo. " target=_blank>http://events.airbus.com/A380/ow_ope...3.JPG Yes, that's what
27 Broocy : I haven't. It's obviously painted gold. All I am pondering is that, instead of a new colour scheme, it might simply be that Airbus/SQ might be experi
28 Leelaw : I think it's painted because the rudder is the same color as the rest of the tail fin. At a minimum, the rudder is always painted before the aircraft
29 Flyjetstar : " target=_blank>http://www.plane-spotters.net/Produc...rch=2 Thanks for the heads up.
30 Hawker : Trivial question, but why do they go to the trouble of wrapping the engine pylons and covering the doors but leave other gaps around the wings and tai
31 Post contains images Jbguller : A whale can survive with a hole in it's tail or fin, but can't operate with holes in it's body or 'brains' (the engines) Seriously, I have no idea.
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