UALMMFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2020 times:
I just found out China's presendent is visiting Boeing's Washington State Plant during his April US trip. Typically, China places aircraft orders during visits of its president and premier to Europe and US.
Any potential order we don't know about? I can only think of the remaining 150 737 jets annouced late last year, but not all of them have been accounted for as firm orders at the end of the year on Boeing's book.
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1834 times:
Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 1): They could be firming up that 70 plane order from last year.
Believe the 70 was firmed up; it's the remaining 80 that is the focus of speculation.
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
TrevD From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 327 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1708 times:
Count on it... The rest of the 150 plane order should be finalized during this trip.
Look for Airbus to finalize the rest of their order as well in the next month or so.....Oh, wait they did that back in December 2005. No, hold it - it was January....well it still counted for 2005. Now all they need to do is sign the firm contract !!
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11345 posts, RR: 50 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1670 times:
Quoting TrevD (Reply 3): Look for Airbus to finalize the rest of their order as well in the next month or so.....Oh, wait they did that back in December 2005. No, hold it - it was January....well it still counted for 2005. Now all they need to do is sign the firm contract !!
Airbus has been entirely consistent in the way they book their Chinese bulk orders.
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1612 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 4): Airbus has been entirely consistent in the way they book their Chinese bulk orders.
But it may not be consistent with the way they book other orders if they didn't receive deposits.
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Slz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1601 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 5): But it may not be consistent with the way they book other orders if they didn't receive deposits.
That's an awful lot of assumptions of which there are already too many on this forum.
Do you have indisputable proof for that, e.g. a link to a quote from somebody directly involved for instance? Personally I'd be very reluctant to suggest any wrongdoing if I hadn't.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11345 posts, RR: 50 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1592 times:
Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 5): But it may not be consistent with the way they book other orders if they didn't receive deposits.
When the order was booked, Airbus publicly stated that a contract had been signed and deposits paid by CASC. If you check Airbus's O&D spreadsheet it clearly shows 20xA319, 100xA320 and 30xA321 ordered by CASC. As the airlines sign for their individual commitments, the numbers will be taken away from CASC and assigned directly to the airline. When all 150 have been allocated to the airlines, CASC's order will have been erased from the books.
This is consistent with how Airbus has handled previous bulk orders from China.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1520 times:
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Quoting UALMMFlyer (Thread starter): Typically, China places aircraft orders during visits of its president and premier to Europe and US.
This visit was to take place last year but was cancelled at the last minute due to Hurricane Katrina.
Quoting UALMMFlyer (Thread starter): I can only think of the remaining 150 737 jets annouced late last year, but not all of them have been accounted for as firm orders at the end of the year on Boeing's book.
Only 70 have officially been confirmed. Initially, a GTA for 150 was to be announced when President Bush visited China. But 70 was the number announced in addition to a "verbal commitment" for another 80. Of the 70 announced as firm orders 50 were booked in 2005 as follows;
10 x 738 Xiamen Airlines
9 x 73G & 11 x 738 China Southern
5 x 738 Shanghai Airlines
3 x 73G & 1 x 738 China Eastern
6 x 738 Hainan Airlines
5 x 738 Shenzhen Airlines
The other 20 have been booked this year split between Air China, Hainan and Shandong Airlines.
So the full commitment of 70 have been registered by Boeing as each airline respectively finalised their agreements.
So that's the initial full order completed. However, there was the other 80 which were widely reported with only few public statement's to verify that China had actually committed to 150. In my opinion they did and here's why;
The Chinese government in 2005 also announced that it would buy 150 jets from Boeing. Baseler said Boeing counted 50 of those as orders in 2005 from six airlines. The remaining 100 should be booked this year once the airlines have signed contracts, he said.
Due to Corporate Governance issues at Boeing Mr Baseler just can't make statements like that for the public record. As we've already seen, 20 of those 100 have been booked so there is every chance that the balance of the 150 will be ordered and a visit to Seattle might well prove the ideal opportunity for the deal to be finalised. My apologies for a very long answer to what was a simple question sir.
Most likely not, however, if you said. Any potential commitment we don't know about? Then my answer would be yes and it would not be in reference to Narrowbodies either
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