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UA To Re-open SIN And BKK Intra-Asia F/A Bases  
User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5416 times:

This summer, United will re-open its SIN and BKK crew bases. They were closed after 9/11 as part of an overall R.I.F. for United FA's. Plans are to re-open the bases late this summer with about 250 total employees. They will staff only Intra-Asian flights due to rules in the F/A's C.B.A.

Glad to hear UA is hiring F/As again (even though Asia is quite far from here).


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

Are they hiring new FAs or moving current ones? Many of the SIN and BKK flight attendants just moved bases and went to NRT as far as I know when the bases were originally closed. But I may be wrong.


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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
Are they hiring new FAs or moving current ones? Many of the SIN and BKK flight attendants just moved bases and went to NRT as far as I know when the bases were originally closed. But I may be wrong.

In the release I read (on UA's employee website), it says they are "hiring" about 250 FA's for those bases. It didn't really have anymore information than that. I would cut and paste the whole thing on here, but that's probably against company policy.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

The reopening of the SIN and BKK F/A bases was announced on the 13th.

Basically now that all previously furloughed union represented F/A have been called back the company is free to expand non-AFA foreign basses which were closed in the following 9/11.

Plans are to have both bases up and running by mid-late summer 2006 employing 250 flight attendants.

This will help the company save both payroll cost and help reduce other cost such as hotel expenses.

The crews from the two bases will solely fly United's intra-Asia flights.

For those that have flown United in years past in Asia might fondly remember the wonderful service provided by many of these regional flight attendants.
United's Singapore base previously had received the prestigious Five Star Diamond Award for service excellence from the American Academy of Hospitality Services.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

SIN FA to NRT maybe, but BKK FA to NRT... I dont think so. Maybe to commute to NRT to do work, but not live in NRT. Thai would need workpermit and residence card and UA does not sponsor that. UA will do the intra-asia F/A to save extra money and pay minimum wage. NW still does it and it saves a lot of money and you wont see them flying in the USA.


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User currently offlineFlyua From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 318 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Dear RoseFlyer,

United's re-opened BKK and SIN flight attendant bases will be staffed with new employees. As far as I know, all flight attendants who were released when the two bases were closed after 9-11 were unable to join any other United flight attendant bases, as United was not hiring for AFA (union) flight attendant positions at the time.

Also, United's hiring qualifications and work rules are quite different for the "regional" flight attendant bases in BKK and SIN. As they are non-union employees hired outside of the US, United sets very different standards for their hiring and continued employment. I do not know the exact "rules," but I believe new hires in BKK and SIN must be under 25 years old to apply, and will be employeed for a set period of time only. Their contracts last around 5 to 8 years, I believe, and are renewable at the company's discretion once or twice. After that, they can no longer hold the position.

Some current United AFA flight attendants worked at one time as regional flight attendants, and were able to be hired on with United when the HKG, TPE, and NRT bases were growing and accepting new hires. How many were able to make the "jump," I do not know.

If, in the future, you fly United through Narita or Hong Kong to Singapore or Bangkok, you will be able to recognize our regional flight attendants by their uniforms. As required by our union contract, regional crews wear different-colored uniforms and wing pins. The last uniform, pre 9-11, was grey with gold accents. ...I hope you find this information interesting and useful!


User currently offlineFlyua From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 318 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5276 times:

Laxintl,

Our regional flight attendant crews are indeed limited to intra-Asia flying, but there will still be some intra-Asia routes staffed by United AFA crews based in HKG and NRT. I don't think the maximum allowed number of 250 regional flight attendants can cover all our intra-Asia service. Pre 9-11, NRT-based crew staffed NRT-Seoul, and I believe HKG staffed HKG-NRT flying. It's possible that NRT may take over NGO-TPE from SFO-based crews (they could fly NRT-TPE, layover, TPE-NGO-TPE, layover, TPE-NRT) and HKG will most likely continue to fly HKG-Ho Chi Minh City, as the AFA contract does not list Vietnam as a country regional flight attendants are permitted to serve. We shall see!


User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

Great news for BKK and SIN! What about the TPE base? I'd be happy to see UA re-introduce SFO-TPE.

[Edited 2006-03-17 21:58:15]

User currently offlineFlyua From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 318 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5238 times:

Alex,

I miss the Taipei base! My first international trips as a United flight attendant were with TPE-based crews. They were wonderful! I was so sad to see the Taipei base closed, but fortunately almost ALL former TPE flight attendants are still working. Most commute from Taipei to our large flight attendant base at Narita.

When and if United resumes nonstop SFO-TPE service, I don't think United would consider re-opening the Taipei flight attendant domicile, unfortunately.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5183 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
For those that have flown United in years past in Asia might fondly remember the wonderful service provided by many of these regional flight attendants.

Yes, I remember the very good service consistently provided by UA's regional FAs in Asia. It was much closer to the service standards of CX and SQ than to those of UA's union FAs. They really put most of UA's union FAs to shame.

Every once in a while I need to fly UA rather than SQ between HKG and SIN because of schedule constraints. Since 9/11, I always dread those flights. If the service standards return to pre-9/11 levels, then I won't mind so much -- though I'll still choose SQ when the schedule works for me.

All in all, this is a good move on UA's part. It's a pity that UA didn't renegotiate the FA contact while in Chapter 11 to allow regional FAs to fly trans-Pacific.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Quoting Flyua (Reply 5):

Interesting description. Thanks a lot of that. From my experience, I have always had good experiences with United's international based flight attendants. I particularly remember some German based crews. Also while in First Class from NRT to SIN the purser was one of the most kind gentlemen I have ever met. I must say, United's international based flight attendants seem to be at the same level as carriers like Singapore Airlines.



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User currently offlineUAPremierGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Quoting Flyua (Reply 5):
Dear RoseFlyer,

United's re-opened BKK and SIN flight attendant bases will be staffed with new employees. As far as I know, all flight attendants who were released when the two bases were closed after 9-11 were unable to join any other United flight attendant bases, as United was not hiring for AFA (union) flight attendant positions at the time.

Also, United's hiring qualifications and work rules are quite different for the "regional" flight attendant bases in BKK and SIN. As they are non-union employees hired outside of the US, United sets very different standards for their hiring and continued employment. I do not know the exact "rules," but I believe new hires in BKK and SIN must be under 25 years old to apply, and will be employeed for a set period of time only. Their contracts last around 5 to 8 years, I believe, and are renewable at the company's discretion once or twice. After that, they can no longer hold the position.

Some current United AFA flight attendants worked at one time as regional flight attendants, and were able to be hired on with United when the HKG, TPE, and NRT bases were growing and accepting new hires. How many were able to make the "jump," I do not know.

If, in the future, you fly United through Narita or Hong Kong to Singapore or Bangkok, you will be able to recognize our regional flight attendants by their uniforms. As required by our union contract, regional crews wear different-colored uniforms and wing pins. The last uniform, pre 9-11, was grey with gold accents. ...I hope you find this information interesting and useful!

Good post. A couple additions and rumors to "add" on...

Rumor #1: These regional FAs will be paid less than "union" AFA FAs, as they are considered "outsourced" labor by UA execs.

Fact: Oddly (or perhaps coincidentally) enough, United is currently offering large mileage bonuses for intra-Asia flights beginning March 15 - May 15, 2006, up to 25,000 miles possible. Looks like they are looking to continue to expand and build a formidible intra-Asia route structure. Good idea if you ask me.

http://www.united.com/page/article/0...20up%20to%2025,000%20Bonus%20Miles



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User currently offlineFlyua From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 318 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

UAPremierGuy,

It's no rumor! It's true-- the regional flight attendants will be paid less, and they will work longer hours.

As for a possible expansion of intra-Asia flying, I haven't heard anything, however it may be possible once Narita's second runway is extended and we finally expand our fleet. For the time being, it does seem that United's international fleet is stretched rather thin flying the current schedules!


User currently offline1rocco From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 9):



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 9):
All in all, this is a good move on UA's part. It's a pity that UA didn't renegotiate the FA contact while in Chapter 11 to allow regional FAs to fly trans-Pacific.

Spoken like a true CEO.. We prefer to keep our jobs here in America. We are losing enough jobs the way it is. For safety and security reasons they shouldn't be able to fly trans-pacific. How can you possibly due a 10 yr FBI background check on someone from another country.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

Quoting UAPremierGuy (Reply 11):
Looks like they are looking to continue to expand and build a formidible intra-Asia route structure.

Any ideas if they're planning to resume flights to India? They already seem late given that DL and NW (and AA/CO) have expanded (and introduced) flights to India.



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User currently offlineUAPremierGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 14):
Any ideas if they're planning to resume flights to India? They already seem late given that DL and NW (and AA/CO) have expanded (and introduced) flights to India.

Yes, it will probably be something with connections out of LHR, once the fleet is expanded (pure rumor, btw), post Open-Skies Agreement. UA is in a wait-and-see mode on this as of now.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

Quoting UAPremierGuy (Reply 15):
Yes, it will probably be something with connections out of LHR

Interesting... Given they're cutting down the LHR ops in general and selling their slots there. I would have thought that via NRT would be better - since they have hubs in SFO/LAX, and can offer non-stops to India from NRT (hence 1 stops from their main hubs at SFO/LAX/ORD).



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Quoting UAPremierGuy (Reply 15):
Yes, it will probably be something with connections out of LHR, once the fleet is expanded (pure rumor, btw), post Open-Skies Agreement. UA is in a wait-and-see mode on this as of now.



Quoting Nimish (Reply 16):
Interesting... Given they're cutting down the LHR ops in general and selling their slots there. I would have thought that via NRT would be better - since they have hubs in SFO/LAX, and can offer non-stops to India from NRT (hence 1 stops from their main hubs at SFO/LAX/ORD).

I would be very surprised to see UA fly ot India again via LHR, either they will fly direct i.e. ORD-DEL or as Nimish says via NRT. Prior to 9/11 they were ready to fly the 747 on ORD-DEL.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 16):
I would have thought that via NRT would be better - since they have hubs in SFO/LAX, and can offer non-stops to India from NRT (hence 1 stops from their main hubs at SFO/LAX/ORD).

I hope their first flight back to India is to BLR--SFO-NRT-BLR with no change of aircraft. If that doesn't happen, then they should code-share with Jet once they begin service to NRT from BOM/DEL.


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3849 times:
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I'm glad UA is rebuilding in Asia. I just purchased a mileage ticket for my fiance and I to fly from Singapore to New York (via NRT) r/t for our wedding in December. I was a little nervous about doing it, but I just had so many miles on UA it was an easy choice.

I would like to see UA hit Australia from BKK, SIN, NRT, or HKG. I think Qantas needs some additional competition especially for cities which seem to be strictly OneWorld pairs (NRT/SYD, HKG/SYD).



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 19):
I'm glad UA is rebuilding in Asia. I just purchased a mileage ticket for my fiance and I to fly from Singapore to New York (via NRT) r/t for our wedding in December. I was a little nervous about doing it, but I just had so many miles on UA it was an easy choice.

I would have used the UA miles to book on SQ SIN-EWR/JFK


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