CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3890 times:
Quoting JoKeR (Reply 5): Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 4):
EK 723 DXB-ADD 08.25-11.30 (4:05)
EK 724 ADD-DXB 19.35-00.45 (4:10)
The plane will be idle for 8 hours???
Yeah, if that is the case, no wonder EK need more aircraft, if their existing ones will be sitting idle on foreign tarmacs for hours on end...
Perhaps it pays off, as there might be a lot of connecting traffic from Asia arriving DXB in the wee hours of the morning and people going to Asia flying onwards from DXB at night. EK will use a three-class A332, so pax pay heaps for their tickets, covering the expenses of the long wait at ADD...?
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3853 times:
Quoting JoKeR (Reply 5): The plane will be idle for 8 hours???
Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 6): Perhaps it pays off, as there might be a lot of connecting traffic from Asia arriving DXB in the wee hours of the morning and people going to Asia flying onwards from DXB at night.
That's the reason most likely. The ADD service can be linked to morning arrivals and night departures.
777boi From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3853 times:
The flight will eventually continue in to EBB, with the crew laying over in EBB. The twice daily NBO flights which are linked with EBB and DAR will be de-linked. DAR will be direct by the end of this month (26th I think). Not sure when the DXB-ADD-EBB flight will come into effect!
Will they have traffic rights do we know for ADD-EBB. I doubt the authorities will allow a conection on to ASM though due to the current political situation bewteen Ethiopia and Asmara!
[quote=CRJ900,reply=6]The plane will be idle for 8 hours???
This could also be to do with the fact that Ethipian so a similar things with there Indian and European fligts in order to get maximum payload as due to the altitude of ADD and the temperature flights can only really get a good payload in the morning/evening
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3818 times:
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8): Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 6):
EK will use a three-class A332, so pax pay heaps for their tickets, covering the expenses of the long wait at ADD...?
(Big question mark from PlaneHunter)
What I meant was that an LCC would find it unacceptable to keep the aircraft on the ground for so long (where it isn't making any money) while for an airline that offer premium classes they can charge so much for the tickets that the money/income covers the time the airplane sits on the tarmac as well as for the flight itself... makes more sense now?
Anyway, the aircraft will continue to EBB, according to other posters here... so problem solved.
ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3613 times:
The service is set to start at the end of the month.
Quoting 757ops (Reply 2): Does anyone know what a/c type they will be using? suppose A330?? What will happen to Ethiopians 2x daily service to DXB? Although Ethiopian have a good market with all their african connections!
Ethiopian will axe its second daily to Dubai as of the summer schedule which begins at the end of this month. The second daily to DXB for ET was a weird one, as the current schedule, while it has a morning and evening bank, has an overextended evening bank due to the late arrivals from West Africa. What this meant was that in order to batch all west african pax with those from east africa and send them off to DXB and the far east, the east african pax had to wait an extra 2-3 hours.
So to at least alleviate the issue with DXB flights, the second daily was added to leave at 1AM while the first one left at 10PM. The new schedule however has all flights from West/East/South Africa arriving in ADD at or around 9PM, allowing to connect them all to the far east on flights that leave between 10PM and midnight (flights to the more extreme western african cities now have aircraft overnighting there). The same time is also used for flights leaving to Europe and the US, so it actually streamlines the bank. I have also noticed that the second daily to DXB is often batched with BOM on slower days during the current schedule.
Quoting JoKeR (Reply 3): QR announced ADD earlier than EK but have still not started the route due to delivery delays of new planes.
Yes, QR did announce ADD earlier, and had even posted positions etc. It should be interesting if it will pursue it now that EK is in.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 4): The flights will be operated by a three-class A330-200 on Mo/We/Fr.
Yes, and the frequency is set to increase to daily as of December.
Khartoum is already a nonstop for EK. The last private/commercial aircraft that tried crossing the Ethiopian-Eritrean border was shot down. Given the current political situation between Ethiopia and Eritrea, it will be quite a while before on can see service between their respective cities. Also, Eritrean Airlines currently flies between ASM and DXB via JIB, and given the frequency and all other flights in and out of ASM, it may be long before EK considers getting in there.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8): That's the reason most likely. The ADD service can be linked to morning arrivals and night departures.
Yes, that's it. Target pax ex-ADD are most likely traders that stay in DXB, or go on to China or Thailand.
Quoting 757ops (Reply 10): This could also be to do with the fact that Ethipian so a similar things with there Indian and European fligts in order to get maximum payload as due to the altitude of ADD and the temperature flights can only really get a good payload in the morning/evening
It appears to be correct, while not highly publicized. For decades, ET flights left ADD mid-day, and all aircraft almost never idled at outstations (save for Washington and Beijing). Over the last few years however, the airline made drastic changes and flirted with all night ops out of ADD (which staff did not like), then a second mini-bank comprising of day time LOS/DXB connections, and now with two major banks, one being 630-1000 and the other being 2000-2359, which allow for most African routes to do quick turnarounds by leaving ADD in the morning and returning in the evening.
Quoting Tinkerbelle (Reply 13): You should see all the idle heavies @ JNB during the day... VS, BS, SA, SQ, EK, AF.. name it. They all arrive in the morning and leave in the evening. It happens alot in Africa.
True. A lot of people find this appalling, but is normal on many routes involving long sectors. ET, SA, KQ all have aircraft throughout Europe during the day as well, as daytime departures from places like London do not jive with connections at their home cities.