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Is That The Lowest Fly By Approach By Any Airline?  
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7925 times:

Hello all

I was wondering after seeing this video of AC 767-300 landing in SXM at very low approach if there was any other airline flew that low or even lower than AC? I've seen other videos of KLM 747-400, AF A340-300 and Corsair fly very low but not as low as AC just did.

Here's the link to the video. http://flightlevel350.com/video_streaming.php?id=5668

your comments are appreciate please.

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

I haven't seen any other videos showing lower approaches, but there are a few pics on this page that show an a/c barely clearing the fence as well. God how I need a vacation right on that beach!!! Someday maybe!


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7830 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
if there was any other airline flew that low or even lower than AC?

I think that this is less of a case of airline and plane than it is just that the pilot made a low approach. Judging from the sounds of the engines, it seems like the engines are producing quite a bit of thrust right until the plane is over the fence.

I guess that the pilot was performing a visual approach and was low, so he advanced the throttles in order to make it over the fence. It definitely seems that the plane is low, but I don't think any airline or plane would make an approach that low on a regular basis. That certainly would have been a thrill to watch.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7681 times:
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RoseFlyer is very correct. The name on the fuselage has nothing to do with the height over the threshold.

Wind, airspeed, and aircraft weight (stopping distance), and runway length are far greater contributing factors.



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User currently offlineBA0284 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7473 times:

I thought that the Falcon Bizjet landing in this clip was even lower. He almost scrapes the fence!! How high is the fence there?!!
http://flightlevel350.com/video_streaming.php?id=4305

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

Quoting BA0284 (Reply 4):
I thought that the Falcon Bizjet landing in this clip was even lower.

That is horrendous. It looks like that Falcon is flying at altitude of about 25 feet for the length of the bay there. If my pilot (that is if I had one) flying my jet did that, I would fire him on the spot or at least demand an explanation.



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User currently offlineBG777300ER From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2005, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6916 times:

Quoting BA0284 (Reply 4):
I thought that the Falcon Bizjet landing in this clip was even lower. He almost scrapes the fence!! How high is the fence there?!!

AirCanada014 mentions lowest approach by airline, not private jet. But I also wonder why that jet was so low. Its not like the pilot desperately needed runway because such a small jet does not need to land at the beginning of the runway to have enough runway to stop....just my thoughts.



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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6857 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
God how I need a vacation right on that beach!!! Someday maybe!

Yeah me too, and I reckon a few pilots are well aware of sites like this, showing the photos and videos of that approach and maybe they say to the 1st officer on the odd occasion.... lets give em a bit of a show today.



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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

Quoting NEMA (Reply 7):
I reckon a few pilots are well aware of sites like this, showing the photos and videos of that approach and maybe they say to the 1st officer on the odd occasion.... lets give em a bit of a show today.

I would certainly hope not! I would be horrified if that were the case! One pilot who decided to 'give a show' to the passengers of a lovely mountain range flew his aircraft right in to the side of it. It certainly wouldn't be a show if an aircraft clipped that fence or otherwise hit ground before the runway. Any pilot who tries that, in my mind, shouldn't be flying.


User currently offlineA3204eva From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

TNCM doesn't have an ILS and so no GS. The pilots have to descend manually to maintain a 3º glide path (groundspeed x5) and so the pilot may just of been descending a little faster than he should of. It happens.

Although the PAPIs would of indicated that he was too low perhaps he had already begun correcting it (life the nose/increase speed).



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User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17179 posts, RR: 66
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
Quoting BA0284 (Reply 4):
I thought that the Falcon Bizjet landing in this clip was even lower.

That is horrendous. It looks like that Falcon is flying at altitude of about 25 feet for the length of the bay there. If my pilot (that is if I had one) flying my jet did that, I would fire him on the spot or at least demand an explanation.

There's a bit of an illusion at play with the Falcon. The beach is much smaller than usual, which I believe is a seasonal and/or tidal phenomenon. So he may seem much lower than the airliners when he is actually not.



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

It seems to me that the 767 is pretty low and slow, judging by the short duration of the flare and the nose high attitude at touchdown.


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User currently offlineJeffry747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4388 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
It looks like that Falcon is flying at altitude of about 25 feet for the length of the bay there. If my pilot (that is if I had one) flying my jet did that, I would fire him on the spot or at least demand an explanation.

I have to agree with Roseflyer, that Falcon was ridiculously low. If there had been a car on the roadway there, he might've hit it. The approaches there are awesome, but that one was a little scary.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 10):
There's a bit of an illusion at play with the Falcon. The beach is much smaller than usual, which I believe is a seasonal and/or tidal phenomenon. So he may seem much lower than the airliners when he is actually not.

There might be a bit of an illusion, but it doesn't look like the plane is descending during the part shown in the video fo the Falcon. You should be maintaining descent all the way until ground effect happens and you are over the runway. It looks like that Falcon is flying in ground effect for that entire length.



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User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17179 posts, RR: 66
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 13):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 10):
There's a bit of an illusion at play with the Falcon. The beach is much smaller than usual, which I believe is a seasonal and/or tidal phenomenon. So he may seem much lower than the airliners when he is actually not.

There might be a bit of an illusion, but it doesn't look like the plane is descending during the part shown in the video fo the Falcon. You should be maintaining descent all the way until ground effect happens and you are over the runway. It looks like that Falcon is flying in ground effect for that entire length.

Agreed. I was unclear. I didn't mean it wasn't too low. I just meant that the absence of a "full" beach makes it seem EVEN lower.



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User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2005 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

That's amazing, AirCanada014. Perchance is this the KL 744 you were referring to?
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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3899 times:
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