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AV Back To Paris?  
User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 818 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

After lots of speculation about which destinations is AV opening again and which new destinations they are heading to, I got this information which was copied out of AV staff web page (Avianca Virtual).

[Marzo 16 de 2006]
Hoy empiezan a volar los F100 de SAM! Invitamos a todos los interesados en volar este nuevo avion hacer su solicitud formal de cambio a la Direccion de Operaciones. Asi mismo se anuncio el retorno a Los Angeles y Paris en fechas aun no establecidas. Proximo nuevo destino: Barcelona!

So basically they are announcing their F100 starting pax operations, plus the return to LAX and starting to BCN which was already known, but the return to Paris which I had not seen as confirmed anywhere.

Does anybody have any additional information about possible dates?

[Edited 2006-03-18 22:59:46]

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

It would be great if AV starts flying to CDG again. I hope though that they'll return soon to FRA and SJO (even if SJO would be a flight operated by MM).

User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

LAX and CDG... Is AV getting new airplanes, or will some routes/frequencies be dropped? I'm pretty sure at the moment they have no B767 frames available to undertake the transatlantic route, or B752's for the LAX route.

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[Edited 2006-03-19 00:29:24]


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Great news indeed !!!!

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting Bogota (Thread starter):
[Marzo 16 de 2006]
Hoy empiezan a volar los F100 de SAM! Invitamos a todos los interesados en volar este nuevo avion hacer su solicitud formal de cambio a la Direccion de Operaciones. Asi mismo se anuncio el retorno a Los Angeles y Paris en fechas aun no establecidas. Proximo nuevo destino: Barcelona!

So basically they are announcing their F100 starting pax operations, plus the return to LAX and starting to BCN which was already known, but the return to Paris which I had not seen as confirmed anywhere.

Does anybody have any additional information about possible dates?

Lax is already confirmed and flights are loaded into the booking systems....

regarding CDG it is the first time I heard that it is confirmed, and I do not belive it and to be true, I hope FRA will be back before CDG.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
It would be great if AV starts flying to CDG again. I hope though that they'll return soon to FRA and SJO (even if SJO would be a flight operated by MM).

indeed they should start SJO asap, perfect for the new F-100 to start with.

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Also - will the LAX route be non-stop, or routed through MEX?

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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 5):
Also - will the LAX route be non-stop, or routed through MEX?

nonstop, search for the topic, there was already a big post about it... (no offence just whant to let you know where you can find all details...)



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 2):
Is AV getting new airplanes, or will some routes/frequencies be dropped? I'm pretty sure at the moment they have no B767 frames available to undertake the transatlantic route, or B752's for the LAX route

For LAX a 767 should arrive soon, but regarding CDG it is the first time I hear about it.
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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2548 times:

Thanks, Avianca and Ricariza. It was time AV started flexing its 87 year-old legacy muscle again. Do you know where the new B767 will be coming from? Type? Reg No?

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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2545 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2543 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 2):
LAX and CDG... Is AV getting new airplanes, or will some routes/frequencies be dropped? I'm pretty sure at the moment they have no B767 frames available to undertake the transatlantic route, or B752's for the LAX route.

AV at the moment have 2 x 763 and 4 762s, with one more expected. they have also got 2 extra 757s with one more coming any time now (former Transmeridian) to a total of 8.
So LAX will be nonstop 767s starting June, as does BCN, twice weekly (Non stop Sat, via ALC Weds)

In an interview ust a couple od days ago, Avianca's CEO stated that CDG was a medium term aim, but certainly not imminently. My mind still boggles as to why they should have it in a higher priority than FRA or LON, where there is no current direct service.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24847 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 9):
CDG was a medium term aim



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 9):
why they should have it in a higher priority than FRA or LON

Out of curiosity anyone have info on the Colombian population and business/trade links with France versus the UK & Germany?

There seemingly must have been something more attractive in Paris over London and Frankfurt.



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

As Summa said, this is not imminently, heck, it might never happen, so I wouldn't make a statement out of it.. I hope it becomes real, but lets wait and see.

We waited and got LAX and BCN but CDG is not a fact yet.



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User currently offlineThatplaneguy From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 82 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Avianca would be welcome back into LHR too. We miss AV here. Had some good flights on AV, friendly crews and nice beer! (Aguila) still being served onboard? Saludos a mis Amigos de Colombia!


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User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2356 times:
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No nearby future plans for CDG or LHR are in store for now, according to internal flight planning projects division for this year.

Only new flights approved and scheduled to be operational soon are LAX, BCN, IBE and NVA.

AV757


User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Quoting AV757 (Reply 13):
No nearby future plans for CDG or LHR are in store for now, according to internal flight planning projects division for this year.

Only new flights approved and scheduled to be operational soon are LAX, BCN, IBE and NVA.

AV757

Thanks Captain. That was the official version that I was looking for.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Too bad they are not going to fly to CDG, but i think FRA should be first. Lots of trade with Germany and not even a weekly non-stop!


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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2149 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
indeed they should start SJO asap, perfect for the new F-100 to start with.

The F-100s can only make a 75 minutes approximately flight with full payload from BOG, don't know if it would make sense to fly to SJO with a F-100 from BOG, it'd be penalized...
They're doing ok with PEI AXM PSO and BGA by now.

Quoting Bogota (Thread starter):
(Avianca Virtual).

You mean www.grupoava.org ?
If it's so it's the "virtual" Avianca Airline not directly related to real Avianca, even though at least one active real Avianca pilot "flies" there. It shouldn't be taken as an official source.

[Edited 2006-03-22 05:00:16]


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User currently offlineAirlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

I think CDG would be much better than FRA for av. More connexions, a much faster growing hub and few delays.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 15):
Too bad they are not going to fly to CDG, but i think FRA should be first. Lots of trade with Germany and not even a weekly non-stop!

agree!

Quoting Airlittoralguy (Reply 17):
I think CDG would be much better than FRA for av. More connexions, a much faster growing hub and few delays.

disagree, first CDG has currently 7 x weekly flights, FRA none. If CDG has more conections I doubt it. + I am also not sure if CDG has fewer delays than Frankfurt.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 16):
The F-100s can only make a 75 minutes approximately flight with full payload from BOG, don't know if it would make sense to fly to SJO with a F-100 from BOG, it'd be penalized...

BOG-SJO are 1255km, so the restrictions should be very low.



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User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 16):
You mean www.grupoava.org ?
If it's so it's the "virtual" Avianca Airline not directly related to real Avianca, even though at least one active real Avianca pilot "flies" there. It shouldn't be taken as an official source.

Avianca Virtual is the webpage for the Avianca Staff, at that page they check their rosters, ask for holidays, etc., etc. So I guess Avianca has quite a few loose strings though, as it seems they publish one thing in their new bulletins and they say another to their pilots.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Wasn't AV looking at BOG-YYZ on the days which AC does not operate (on a codeshare basis), resulting in virtually daily service between the two carriers on the route??


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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 10):
In an interview ust a couple od days ago, Avianca's CEO stated that CDG was a medium term aim, but certainly not imminently

I heard that same interview, Mr Villages said that LAX and BCN had to be well stablished before anything. Luio Sanchez (Host of La W radio Show, where Mr Villegas was being interviwed), asked in about CDG, and he was clear about it: Not yet. They feel Europe is alerady well served from AV point of view, with flights from BOG to MAD and BCN and CLO to MAD.

If AV wants to open new Eurpean routes, i think they should focus on LHR, or ROM, where there's no real non stop flights from Colombia, instead on getting into a predatory struggle with AF for CDG. BTW, I think it was on this forum where I read that Italy is the second destination for Colombians after MAD. That might sound interesting for at least a weekly flight??? Porbably.


Good luck.



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 19):
Avianca Virtual is the webpage for the Avianca Staff, at that page they check their rosters, ask for holidays, etc., etc. So I guess Avianca has quite a few loose strings though, as it seems they publish one thing in their new bulletins and they say another to their pilots.

Nope.
There might be other "Avianca Virtual" that has the roles you described, but that page is a simple (well, not that simple actually, it's a quite good structured one VA) virtual airline. Look:

"Las imágenes de las empresas Avianca y SAM son propiedad registrada de las mismas, Avianca Virtual no tiene relación alguna con estas aerolíneas. Somos un grupo virtual sin ánimo de lucro basado exclusivamente en el simulador de vuelo de Microsoft ®."

"The images of the companies Avianca and SAM are registered trademark of them, Avianca Virtual has no relation whatsoever with this Airlines. We're a virtual group without profit aims based exclusively on the Microsoft ® flight simulator".

See? They have no relation with real Avianca thus the París flight announced there it's a new virtual route to be flown by them on Flight Simulator!
I know personally some people that fly there because I'm also an user of virtual flight networks, nothing to do with Avianca.



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting AV757 (Reply 13):
No nearby future plans for CDG or LHR are in store for now, according to internal flight planning projects division for this year.

Only new flights approved and scheduled to be operational soon are LAX, BCN, IBE and NVA.

AV757 is an AV pilot, I guess it is the most official source that one can get.



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

I wonder if AV would be really interested in dropping a highly-benefitial code-share agreement with TA on the BOG-SJO route in favour of operating the route themselves.

I doubt it. AV dropped SJO in the early 2000s primarily because of a significant passenger downturn due to VISA requirements, and since then, not much has changed, and the market hasn't grown that much to justify a dedicated flight, and more, knowing that the codeshare with TA is more than enough.

Sure, TA does fill pretty well their planes to SJO, but a large stake of those passengers connect onward to other points in Central and North America, to where TA frequently offers pretty competitive fares.




SOUTHAMERICA


25 Post contains links Bogota : OK, one last time to see if you people are interested in understanding or you are simply being stubborn. Me behind a friend, AV flight attendant, who
26 Post contains links 757MDE : You're just giving me the reason. Avianca Virtual as in www.grupoava.org is DIFFERENT than http://ops.avianca.com who's being stubborn here?. Grupoava
27 Bogota : I appoligize, I understand know what the whole story is all about, the link to grupo ava is inside the page at ops.avianca.com Sorry.
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