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JAL 747 To SAN....Baseball Charter  
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5354 times:

On March 19 between 10:00 and noon, a JAL 747 charter is expected to land in San Diego for a charter flight. I assume it's fans, press, dignataries for the World Baseball Championships being held here. Japan is in the finals, I believe. It's parking at Gate 20 and American Airlines is doing the ground handling....not that they know a thing about 747s!!!

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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5347 times:

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American Airlines is doing the ground handling....not that they know a thing about 747s!!!

Okay, maybe they haven't had much experience with them recently, but don't forget they flew them for several years...and even had a couple of SP's for DFW-NRT for a while!!

It has been SO long since I have seen a 747 on approach to SAN...I'll have to get my camera ready!! And I'm going to the game tonight between Japan and Korea - anyone know how the Korean team is flying?



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
It has been SO long since I have seen a 747 on approach to SAN...I'll have to get my camera ready!! And I'm going to the game tonight between Japan and Korea - anyone know how the Korean team is flying?

I remeber the BA ones that flew over my home back in 1989 and watching them approach back when we used to be allowed in that parking lot just adjacent to the begining of the runway.



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User currently offlineAircop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

Just a question. Will the 747 be able to fly to Japan non-stop from SAN? As I recalled BA's 747 stopped in either LAX or PHX prior to the long haul to London.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

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Will the 747 be able to fly to Japan non-stop from SAN? As I recalled BA's 747 stopped in either LAX or PHX prior to the long haul to London.

No, even only half filled it would need a tech stop somewhere.

British Caledonian was the originator of London-San Diego, originally doing it with a DC-10. British flew this route with a DC-10 for a while, then switched it to a 747-400. Both B-Cal and BA flew it via LAX, but BA switched it to Phoenix at a later point.

When I moved to San Diego in June, 1999, the routing was LGW-PHX-SAN, flown by a 747-436. It was with mixed emotions that about two years later, it was being switched to a 777 - of course I wanted both!! Asking me to choose between my two favorite Boeing big boys is like asking a mother to choose her favorite child...but the 747 was gone, and so was the technical stop at PHX. It was now LGW-SAN non-stop, and that was later changed to LHR-SAN.

After 9/11, the daily flight was reduced to five days a week. One year at school my prep period was during the time period the flight would arrive. I used to track on the internet (when I had time), and when it got close, I'd go out and look for it. Even in National City, some 15 miles away, these beauties at 2,000 to 3,000 NEVER failed to take my breath away.

I still get emotional when I look into the sky hoping against hope to see something big and beautiful gliding in. I am still in mourning at the loss of our big-boy wide body service. Biggest now is 767's to ATL (DL) and HNL (HA). I

If I live to be 115, I hope I never lose my absolute awe over watching these big boys so casually glide in...I still have the same reaction I did when I was 7 and saw a Pan Am 747 take-off and wondered "how the heck do they DO that?"  cloudnine 


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User currently offlineSmitty747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

Does anybody have any updates on the arrival time for this aircraft? I am considering headed down to SAN and trying to get some pics. Thanx!!

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

Gorgeous pictures! I always remember going out to the end of the hill at school to watch the BA 777 barely launch itself over Point Loma usually around 4:20pm...then watch it circle around to the left on its way to LHR.

Definitely going to be there today to watch JAL!

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4963 times:

Quoting Smitty747 (Reply 5):
Does anybody have any updates on the arrival time for this aircraft? I am considering headed down to SAN and trying to get some pics.

Well, let's think this out. Japan won last night and will play in the finals Monday night so probably will not leave until Tuesday. A Miami Air Int'l was ferried in early this morning from FLL and I have to guess this is for the Dominican team. The burning question remains...how do the Koreans get back. Death by a thousand Saabs thru LAX?

I see no inbound JAL flights at this point and it may not come in until the team is ready to leave. I can't see them having a 747 on the ground that long.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

Looks like there is a JAL 744 coming to SAN...in about an hour and a half (11:45am).

Flytecomm says:

Airline Japan Airlines
Flight Number 8805
Departure City (Airport) Los Angeles, CA (LAX)
Departure Time 03/19/2006 11:21 AM
Arrival City (Airport) San Diego, CA (SAN)
Arrival Time 03/19/2006 11:46 AM
Remaining Flight Time 00:25 (planned)
Aircraft Type Boeing 747-400
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Planned


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 8):
Looks like there is a JAL 744 coming to SAN...in about an hour and a half (11:45am).

Sure enough....I better get on my trolley!!!



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineAircop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Korea arrived in Phoenix on a JAL 747 at the start of the tournment. He had two JAL 747 on March 6th.

User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Quoting Aircop (Reply 10):
Korea arrived in Phoenix on a JAL 747 at the start of the tournment. He had two JAL 747

So this one could very well be for the Korean team and we can expect another one in a couple of days? I like it.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4965 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Flightaware and Flytecomm now say its on its way, due to arrive in about 20 minutes:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8805



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

She looked great!!

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineLostintime From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting Aircop (Reply 3):
Just a question. Will the 747 be able to fly to Japan non-stop from SAN? As I recalled BA's 747 stopped in either LAX or PHX prior to the long haul to London.

From flightaware it looks like they are going nonstop to Narita from San Diego

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8805


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

Quoting Lostintime (Reply 14):
From flightaware it looks like they are going nonstop to Narita from San Diego

Must be because they are so lightly loaded...they just tore over my house...incredible!

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineERAU pilot From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

So does anyone know how many people were on board? It feeds the debate whether a 744 can get to NRT non stop from SAN with a profitable load.

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4858 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4697 times:
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Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 11):
So this one could very well be for the Korean team and we can expect another one in a couple of days? I like it.

Yes, this JAL 744 was a charter for the Korean team. Word is, another JAL 744 is due on Tuesday for the Japanese team.

I just got home from work. I missed the landing because I was busy working in a bin, but I checked it out at the gate and then stuck around after my shift to see her take off. It was awesome! Got some pics. Hopefully they get through the queue...



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User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 4650 times:

Quoting ERAU pilot (Reply 16):
So does anyone know how many people were on board? It feeds the debate whether a 744 can get to NRT non stop from SAN with a profitable load.

It won't feed any such debate, the flight was less than 50% full and had NO cargo whatsoever.

This thread is a continuation of thread started last week -- here is the link

RE: Interesting Charters Into SAN Today (3/14) (by Nicksair Mar 17 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2663249

The next JAL charter will arrive on Tuesday.



Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

Quoting Aircop (Reply 3):
Will the 747 be able to fly to Japan non-stop from SAN? As I recalled BA's 747 stopped in either LAX or PHX prior to the long haul to London.



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
No, even only half filled it would need a tech stop somewhere.

If a 744 can fly LAX-ICN with full loads and Cargo, why not SAN-NRT?

LAX-ICN 5209nm
SAN-NRT 4829nm
LAX-NRT 4737nm

I guess that 95nm extra is really a killer for the 744 eh?

Yes I know the winds going north are not fun and in the winter there is a strong headwind. But still...95nm difference.

Maybe the BA flights from PHX and SAN stopped at LAX to pick up passengers. What is the use of flying 95nm for a "tech stop"?

By this it means that CO can't fly EWR-HKG (7009nm) with a 777 year round (limitations).
But more importantly...If JL needs a tech-stop for SAN-NRT, NW and UA cannot fly ORD/MSP/DTW-NRT at 5452nm/5170nm/5559nm year round with 744s. And AA could NEVER do DFW-NRT (5585nm )x2 daily with a 777. Forget ATL-NRT (5953nm) daily on DL using a 777.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 19):
If a 744 can fly LAX-ICN with full loads and Cargo, why not SAN-NRT?

SAN's shorter runway. It's not long enough to allow a 747 to depart with enough fuel to carry a profitable payload on a transcontinental flight. The 777 is able to get off a shorter runway with a heavy load than the 747, and thus was able to perform SAN-LGW nonstop while the 747 cannot. Today's JAL flight can do nonstop SAN-NRT because as DCAYOW noted, it was rather lightly loaded.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

I am having a difficult time imagining the Korean baseball team going back to Korea on a JL plane. Did KE or OZ not have a 777/744 available? Even KE's A332 or OZ's 763 can do it too.
It would be really funny if the Korean baseball team takes out its anger on the JL plane and trashes up the interior.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 21):
funny if the Korean baseball team takes out its anger on the JL plane and trashes up the interior

I think this is quite likely knowing how agressive people can get when it comes to baseball.

No idea why KE won't fly the Korean charter. Why JAL?

Does anyone have the regs



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

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I think this is quite likely knowing how agressive people can get when it comes to baseball.

Actually, the crowds at Saturday's game at Petco Park were extraordinarily respectful and polite to both the each other and their host country. Only problem was with smokers, as Petco Park is completely smoke free on the whole grounds.

Good group!! Come back anytime  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineMagoonis From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

does any one have any pics???
magoonis aka Mark


25 Post contains links and images Silver1SWA : I have plenty of pics. I uploaded one so far... Wish me luck! [Edited 2006-03-20 06:11:06]
26 DCAYOW : No more like a 350 ft. hill approximately 1 mile from end of the runway.
27 Lindy Field : Wow - great to see that bird in SAN! Some of the other local spotters got good photos of it on approach and will be uploading them to a.net. Did any o
28 Post contains images Hawaiian717 : I was able to get the two Allegiant aircraft that were in Friday morning. I was also there early enough to get the Kitty Hawk 737 arriving.
29 SkyHarborsHome : Top of the 9th and is a great game with Japan leading by one, make that two. If they can hold on, should be a party flight back to Tokyo. Does anyone
30 Lindy Field : Looks like Taca is coming in tomorrow at 6:02AM from Havana to pick up the Cubans. Guess they didn't want waste any time before leaving town...
31 N1120A : SAN's runway is not only only 9600 feet long, it takes off straight into Point Loma. It basically turns the runway into no more than 8000 feet. With
32 Post contains links Coronado990 : Please open the below link and you will see what the 747-400 was heading towards prior to rotation... http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006...ws/top_s
33 Coronado990 : Here she comes again.... Airline Japan Airlines Flight Number 8805 Departure City (Airport) Los Angeles, CA (LAX) Departure Time 03/21/2006 11:57 AM A
34 Christao17 : That definitely puts it in perspective.
35 Mason : So, are the aircraft limited more by the runway length or by the terrain or both? What about on the other end (departing 09)? Is this ever done? Occat
36 Post contains links and images Tom in NO : There are also terrain issues on the east end.....as well as a very controversial 6-odd story parking garage that was built just off the end of the r
37 1011 : The JAL 744 is back. It is going from SAN to Tokyo Narita. It leaves about 2:50pm on Tues and the Flight number is JAL 8805. So anybody near SAN, chec
38 Vapar8 : PHX was not a tech stop for the 747 400. They did pick up pax there and they still have the London to PHX flight.
39 Boeing7E7 : You lose roughly 955' for a 747-400 based on the climb gradient and accelerate stop distance available. The smaller the aircraft, the better the clim
40 HeeseokKoo : WBC prepared and paid all charters, maybe JL bidded cheapest. After Asian preliminary match at Japan, Korean team left Narita to US on JL, too. Coath
41 Carpethead : JL 8805, the Japanese baseball charter back to Japan returned via LAX. ETA @NRT is 1915. Thanks for the info. JL has extra 747s because of the recent
42 APFPilot1985 : what airline did the cuban team get around on? Who flew them back to HAV, anyone know?
43 Post contains links Hawaiian717 : FlightAware shows it doing SAN-NRT nonstop, as they did with the Korean team. It flew into SAN from LAX: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JAL8805 T
44 Carpethead : There must be a huge crowd awaiting Team Japan when it arrives in NRT. Unlike, in the US where there are some FBO's capable of handling int'l flights;
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