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Olaya Herrera Questions*  
User currently offlineTurk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 397 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

*I know it's a pretty obscure topic and really only Colombians - older ones at that - may be interested!

BUt.. this is a posting to satisfy my own questions since I visited Medellin and am "paisa de corazon".

Prior to the current Jose Maria Cordova Airport opening in Rionegro in '85 (I believe), all airline operation operated out of EOH. Does this mean that AV flew 707s and 720s - and, egads, 747s - into EOH? Or was all AV traffic limited to 727s? What about Aerocondor? Did the short-lived A300 fly into EOH? What other airlines flew into EOH and with what types of aircraft? I know Aces flew Twin Otters and 727s. My better-half remembers flying out of EOH but - not being an airline-geek like me - can't remember any details.

I went to EOH to visit it and it is so conveniently located, but surrounded by heavily built-up areas. Was it like this prior to '85?

Now to admit what I am basing my questions on; (sigh, I am such a geek!) I "fly" my flight simulator all around my virtual Colombia airports (I have the really cool scenery upgrade) and I can NEVER land at EOH!!! The approach to RWY 1 always requires dropping out of the sky like a brick. I've tried it on an ADA Twin Otter, SCEARA Let-140, ERJ-145s, MD-80s (!), and no luck. If the simulator is somewhat real, I can't imagine a 707 or an A300 making the approach!

Any help for this geek would be appreciated!

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User currently offlineAvianca707359B From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6216 times:

Oh, what memories......

Yes, Avianca operated their 707's and 720B's, as well as SAM's 720B's into EOH till the very end. The 747 did make a promotional visit one time (I think just once) and I'm sure it was a 747-124 (HK-2000) - it was an incredible event and the empty Jumbo used up every inch of runway. Aerocondor operated their A-300 and 720B's, and a short-lived secondary ailine named Aerotal-Colombia also used 720B's (maybe 707's too?) to Miami and other points in Colombia. There were cargo operations using 707's (Tampa) and others, as well as DC-8's, but I don't recall too many details.

An approach into EOH in a 707 was almost as exciting as landing at Kai-Tak in Hong Kong. First you decended into the Medellin area (boxed in on the east and west by the Andean mountain ranges) in a counter-clockwise spiral. Nearly the entire approach consisted of steeply banked left turns, and as you can imagine passengers in the "A" seats had a thrilling view. On final approach, you suddenly "flattened out" while zipping by a large hill in the center of the valley (Cerro Nutibara) while flying over densly populated residential areas! As a teenager, I remember full braking and reverse thrust being applied and it was always a dramatic end to a flight from JFK. A missed approach was quite tricky because beyond the runway was an upward-sloping area called "Campos de Paz" - Fields of Peace - yes a cemetery. The running joke on many a flight 059 from New York was that if the brakes failed upon landing in EOH you would get an immediate burial courtesy of Avianca!

Another tidbit that you might not be aware of is that EOH had a dusk-to-dawn curfew. All flight operations ended at about 6:00pm, so that if your if your 10:30am to 3:45pm JFK-Medellin nonstop was delayed by a few hours, it would have to divert to Bogota. There was always a scramble to get the last flights of the day in and out by 5:45pm, so you would always have a cluster of flights departing right before the deadline.

I discovered i had many 35mm slides that I took in the 80's and had not viewed in 20 years - many of them of planes operating at EOH, ramp shots etc... Some day I will scan them and post them here.



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6194 times:

Quoting Turk223 (Thread starter):
The approach to RWY 1 always requires dropping out of the sky like a brick.

It does. But the active for landings back then was basically RWY19, almost never RWY1. Of course, eventually anything smaller than a Electra would be authorized for a RWY1 landing.

Almost everyone in Medellin who had lived the jet era in EOH has one or two stories to tell, and quite dramatic ones at that.


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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1599 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

There is a picture of the AV 747 at EOH. It was in a discussion when the A-380 visited MDE. Click below and move down to reply #65: Great picture.

RE: A380 In Colombia, Soon! (by RCS763AV Jan 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2536470



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6172 times:

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 1):
I discovered i had many 35mm slides that I took in the 80's and had not viewed in 20 years - many of them of planes operating at EOH, ramp shots etc... Some day I will scan them and post them here.

Let that day be very soon! Please!!!


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 4):
Let that day be very soon! Please!!!

I add myself to that request!



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6116 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 3):
There is a picture of the AV 747 at EOH. It was in a discussion when the A-380 visited MDE. Click below and move down to reply #65: Great picture.

This one:
http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/3348/av7474if.jpg



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 6):
Great picture.

Absolutely fantastic shot indeed!


User currently offlineTurk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Thanks for the replies - it must have been great seeing "Sucre" or "Bolívar" whipping past Cerro Nutibara.

I hope that EOH will get a bit of a facelift - I think it would be cool too if AV returned. I'd imagine some national routes would be very popular, especially with business people. However, maybe the competition with itself at JMC would be a reason for AV not to consider it?

As a matter of fact, regarding my geeky flight simulator comments; I did manage to land at EOH this weekend. Of course, if it were real life, Campos de Paz would have a few additions as I ran out of runway... I still can't imagine what it must have been like in real life!

Is there an Aces 727 on the west side of the airport? If so, what is it doing there?

Has any a-netter flown with Aerocondor?


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

Quoting Turk223 (Reply 8):
I hope that EOH will get a bit of a facelift

Indeed. The terminal itself is in fine conditions, but many details could definitely receive an upgrade: better light in certain areas and the floor in some spaces needs to be changed.

But they are at least working on it. The terraces, which are greatly-missed, are planned to be opened in the near future; all the airport's restrooms, which I consider speak a lot from any given place, were totally remodeled and are now kept spotless; and painting of specific areas is constantly taking place within the terminal.

Quoting Turk223 (Reply 8):
I think it would be cool too if AV returned. I'd imagine some national routes would be very popular, especially with business people. However, maybe the competition with itself at JMC would be a reason for AV not to consider it?

Not only self-competition, but also the fact that EOH is limited to 50-seater services and to certain national destinations make Avianca, and possibly others think twice about launching [or resuming] operations in EOH.

Aires and Satena have made a brilliant job in re-building what ACES once had in EOH. Aires' job is especially remarkable since they had to put up with the strong regional culture which was sentimentally attached to ACES, and try to replace them in many routes. They are doing a wonderful job.


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Satena is too thrilled with its EOH-station, proof being that the company started with 2 or 3 shy services to BOG, which contrast with the current 8 [eight] daily flights on the EOH-BOG route, which has become famous among business travelers between Medellin and Bogota.


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Avianca tried operations from EOH twice in the past, and quit. Maybe with spare Fokker-50s they could try it again in the future, which I doubt though. Who knows, third time's the charm.


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Quoting Turk223 (Reply 8):
Is there an Aces 727 on the west side of the airport? If so, what is it doing there?

The ex-ACES 727 was converted into an aviation museum, and it is now a popular attraction in the Aeroparque Juan Pablo II theme-park right beside the airport.


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User currently offlineTurk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Thanks as always, Federico. It's always a treat to read your postings.

As you've already gathered from my posts, I love Medellín and Colombia and have a real interest in Colombian aviation. Of course, all commercial aviation interests me but recently... well, I have a sort-of focus on Colombia!

Maybe it's best to think that EOH is filling a particular need and does it very well? I'm glad to hear that Aires is mirroring what Aces was. My better half talks about Aces and how great it was...

How is Satena in terms of service? Is ADA going to grow?

I'll be back in Medellín this August - and hopefully living there next year if all goes well. Is the park where the Aces 727 is located open to the public? I'd imagine it is but I'm suprised that my better half didn't take me there in December...

It's be fun to meet up with all the Paisa a-netters one of these days!


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5974 times:

I did fly into EOH on CM Lockheed Elektra, Then I belive they flew B737-100 and -200 there until they moved to MDE.
I don't know if EOH still is an international airport, if so, maybe someone could be interested to fly EOH-PAC.



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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 11):
I did fly into EOH on CM Lockheed Elektra, Then I belive they flew B737-100 and -200 there until they moved to MDE.
I don't know if EOH still is an international airport, if so, maybe someone could be interested to fly EOH-PAC.

They did indeed fly the classic 737s to EOH until MDE was opened in 1985.
It's not an International Airport any longer, in fact, it has the "Regional" status here and it's restricted to 50 seaters, although the president's 737 lands there an dsome other bigger jets not belonging to Airlines (Vicente Fernandez came in another BBJ some time ago to EOH). EOH - PAC couldn't be flown as per current regulations for an Airline. I'm not so sure about private Airplanes though.


Besides the competition between Aires and Satena (there's routes flown by both Airlines like Apartadó, among others) ADA is growing indeed. They got some BAE Jetstream 32s that add to their Twin Otters and Cessna Crusaders, besides they're opening routes out of EOH and Antioquia like Cali - Quibdó or Montería - Cartagena.

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Also besides Federico's remarks regarding the Airport itself other things have been done like a new flights information system made by Scala.
http://www.scala.com/studies/airport.html


Regarding the 747 to EOH








Regarding the old 707s Approach to EOH







Regarding Geeky FS Approaches to EOH:

The approach depicted there is performed as follows, no need to dive:
You should be 10000 feet over José María Córdova Airport following its runway heading (360 degrees) until 17.5 DME outbound of RNG VOR (115.1). At that point it all becomes visual you should look left and see the Autopista Medellín - Bogota a little close to Guarne, you should see a entrance to the Aburra valley, get into it (over Bello) and then visually fly either to Runway 19 directly or to Runway 01 doing a left pattern over Envigado depending on ATC, weather and traffic conditions and yourself.


After entering the valley as described we were cleared to Runway 01, so we do a left pattern over Envigado.




Finals for Runway 01 after the left pattern over Envigado.




The same approach, but this time cleared straight to Runway 19.




Finals for Runway 19 straight approach.



There are other entrances to the valley, from Caldas (in the South), Boquerón de San Antonio (west), among others.


Boquerón de San Antonio



Lots of images huh?

[Edited 2006-03-20 18:43:20]


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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

Quoting Turk223 (Reply 10):
Maybe it's best to think that EOH is filling a particular need and does it very well?

It does. Not in vain is EOH the country's sixth air-terminal in terms of passenger movement, which is quite a title considering that nothing larger than a ERJ-145 operates commercial services there.

During 2004, EOH was fifth in passenger movement, only behind BOG, CLO, MDE and CTG, and, incredibly, above airports such as BAQ, BGA and PEI.

In 2005, BAQ managed to reclaim its number 5 position, but EOH remains right behind, and well-above ADZ, PEI, BGA and CUC.

Thanks to combined services between EOH and MDE, Medellin is extremely well-connected to Colombia's different regions. EOH is perfect for regional flights that would have no sense from MDE. For instance, Medellin-Manizales is barely 3 hours away by road, maybe less. If the flights would depart from MDE, it would be nothing more than a wild goose-chase, as you would spend nearly 1 hour driving up to the airport, you have to be 1 hour before your flight departure, and the flight itself lasts 20 minutes. So it would be 2 hours and 20 minutes by air in front of 3 hours by road.

From EOH, on the other hand, you can perfectly check-in 30 minutes before your flight and grab the 20-minute hop to Manizales, spending barely 1 hour from your house in Medellin to the hotel in Manizales.




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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 13):
It does. Not in vain is EOH the country's sixth air-terminal in terms of passenger movement

And second in operations per day (after BOG of course) as for the last document I read in that respect.



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 14):
And second in operations per day (after BOG of course) as for the last document I read in that respect.

Absolutely right. Though I usually prefer not mentioning it as there's people who consider it "unfair" given that the vast majority of the operations are classified as regional, or general aviation.

To avoid foolish discussions, it's much better to stress the fact which illustrates yearly passengers moved.



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User currently offlineAvianca707359B From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 12):
Regarding Geeky FS Approaches to EOH:

Your flight simulator pics are awesome! I never thought I would see the Coltejer building and downtown Medellin with such detail in a commercial FS application......What simulator are those screenshots from?



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1599 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 13):
Thanks to combined services between EOH and MDE, Medellin is extremely well-connected to Colombia's different regions. EOH is perfect for regional flights that would have no sense from MDE. For instance, Medellin-Manizales is barely 3 hours away by road, maybe less. If the flights would depart from MDE, it would be nothing more than a wild goose-chase, as you would spend nearly 1 hour driving up to the airport, you have to be 1 hour before your flight departure, and the flight itself lasts 20 minutes. So it would be 2 hours and 20 minutes by air in front of 3 hours by road

Wow...1 hour to drive to the airport? I did not know it was that far. What is the distance from MDE to the centre city?



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User currently offlineTurk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Hey Andrés...

Thanks for the great explanation for how to do an EOH landing. I'm guessing you're into FS too?

I've realized how much time I've spend "flying" is a little sad. Sigh - I need a life. Maybe I'm a frustrated pilot?

Where'd you get the Satena ERJ? The only one I found wasn't too good - definitely different from yours.

I did a RWY 1 approach with FAC-0001 (the presidential BBJ) recently and managed to land, but I know in real life the plane would have been overstressed. What I usually do - for practice - is a short flight plan from MDE to EOH. Usually take off from RWY 36 at MDE and cleared to 12,000. Routed to the opening in the valley (Caldas?), and only after confirming to the tower that I have the runway in sight am I cleared to 6,900. Even with a descent of 2,400 FPM and an airspeed of 150 KTS, I never manage to land - always too fast and too high and overshoot. I've done full flaps, spoilers, near-stall speeds and a descent of nearly 4,000 FPM and still no luck. Even in my ADA Twin Otter I have a ton of trouble - I'd hate to be a passenger in one of my flights.

Also, I can never get a landing clearance to RWY 19 - even if I set the winds to come from the south. Always get the approach to RWY 19 and "circle to land" clearance to RWY 1.

Your thoughts would be appreciated!


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5875 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 17):
Wow...1 hour to drive to the airport? I did not know it was that far. What is the distance from MDE to the centre city?

Well, it's 45 minutes most of the time. Between downtown Medellin and MDE [Jose Maria Cordova International Airport] it's just 32 kilometers. If those 32 kilometers were horizontal, the drive shouldn't take more than 20-25 minutes. But they aren't. All of the four highways that connect the city with the airport have to make their way through rough terrain and go up the high mountains that surround the valley, and that's basically what makes the drive longer.




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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5864 times:

Quoting Avianca707359B (Reply 16):
Your flight simulator pics are awesome! I never thought I would see the Coltejer building and downtown Medellin with such detail in a commercial FS application......What simulator are those screenshots from?

Thank you very much, I'm glad you like them.
I use Miscrosoft Flight Simulator 2004 with patch from 9 to 9.1 and Colombia Virtual 2005 scenery available from www.virtualcol.net or simmarket.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 17):
Wow...1 hour to drive to the airport? I did not know it was that far. What is the distance from MDE to the centre city?

The distance from threshold of Runway 01 of EOH to the threshold of Runway 36 MDE in a straight line is 11nm aprox (not much). But Medellin happens to be in a valley full of tall mountains and the roads to the Airport (there's three) have to climb them (with some curves involved) and then descend from them again. The road distance is between 30 something and 40 something kilometers depending on the road chosen and the road time averagely takes from 40 minutes to 1+ hour depending on traffic, road and overall conditions. I'm going to use Flight Simulator again to show you, I'm sorry if it pisses anybody off.
The things I marked are not exactly accurate in any way, but that's how the thing is sort of.
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The roads are of course in a approximate position and the shapes don't really belong, there's lots of curves and stuff. But I think you get the idea.

Red line
Autopista Medellín - Bogotá road.
It's a road in very good conditions, not really curvy and very fast. It takes like 45 minutes to get to the Airport in that road but I've managed to get there even in 35 minutes.
The cons of it are that as you it has to be taken way north of the valley almost in Bello, and the trip from downtown to that part can easily take 20 minutes or more if the traffic is heavy, it takes even more time from the South (Poblado, Sabaneta, Envigado, Itagüi... etc). And the exit sector of the city has some safety issues and it's not really cute to say.

Yellow line
Santa Helena road.
It was the first road built to connect Medellín and the valley of San Nicolás, it's a very old road. It's the most curvy of them all and it's narrow as well, not many people use it actually, but the distance itself is shorter than the others, the time is the same because of the slow speed one has to have not to crash. Time is 40 minutes to 1 hour on the road. It's taken from the Ayacucho road (49th Street) in downtown Medellín, which itself means traffic and more travel time.

Blue line
Las Palmas road and variants.
The road is right now in works for a great revamp and to have 2 tracks per side of driving so it's a mess and it's closed most of the time (there's way at some hours of the day though).
The first road coming from the Airport to downtown goes by El Retiro town and meets the second variant just before the beginning of the descent and gets to the city by San Diego mall and the 33th Avenue, there's a roundpoint to easily go to downtown, El Poblado avenue or Las Vegas avenue. 33th roads goes far to the west of the city until 80th avenue. So it's convenient because the road can be accessed from lots of places of the city via highways which means less time of travel most of the times.
There's a third variant accessable from El Retiro town while one is on the old Las Palmas road, it goes all the way from the mountains and it makes a really reaaaaally inclined descent into Aburra's valley south part, finishes in Envigado. The descent is sooo steep lots of braking units are damaged and the road usually smells like burned brakes hehehe.
The road itself was mantained in overall good conditions and travel time used to take 50 minutes to 1 hour in normal circumstances, it's midly curvy, less than Santa Helena, but more than Autopista Medellín - Bogotá.
When the works finish it's expected to be way faster than it used to be and thus travel time should decrease.


There was a plan to build a tunnel beneath the mountains that make most of the travel time to the 11NM away MDE and would have decreased time travel to some 15-20 minutes, but it was dropped until further advise.

Quoting Turk223 (Reply 18):
Hey Andrés...

Thanks for the great explanation for how to do an EOH landing. I'm guessing you're into FS too?

I've realized how much time I've spend "flying" is a little sad. Sigh - I need a life. Maybe I'm a frustrated pilot?

Where'd you get the Satena ERJ? The only one I found wasn't too good - definitely different from yours.

I did a RWY 1 approach with FAC-0001 (the presidential BBJ) recently and managed to land, but I know in real life the plane would have been overstressed. What I usually do - for practice - is a short flight plan from MDE to EOH. Usually take off from RWY 36 at MDE and cleared to 12,000. Routed to the opening in the valley (Caldas?), and only after confirming to the tower that I have the runway in sight am I cleared to 6,900. Even with a descent of 2,400 FPM and an airspeed of 150 KTS, I never manage to land - always too fast and too high and overshoot. I've done full flaps, spoilers, near-stall speeds and a descent of nearly 4,000 FPM and still no luck. Even in my ADA Twin Otter I have a ton of trouble - I'd hate to be a passenger in one of my flights.

Also, I can never get a landing clearance to RWY 19 - even if I set the winds to come from the south. Always get the approach to RWY 19 and "circle to land" clearance to RWY 1.

Your thoughts would be appreciated!

I'm into FS too as you can see, since FS95, and I hope I become a real Pilot and not a frustrated one! (working on it.. hope to make it into the FAC).
Well, the Caldas entrance has indeed a kinda fast feet per minute rate until some point, but it's not that bad. What happens is that the Flight Simulator ATC is usually screwed and gives all the wrong routes. The way you tried to go to EOH is never used because, precisely, it's imposible to land and very possible to overstress the plane. The used entrances as I told you are Boquerón de San Antonio, Bello (the one I depicted you), Caldas, sometimes Santa Helena and sometimes way north of the valley. Most of the entrances if not all require some sort of pattern to descend and align to the Runway, a la Quito but not that dramatic.

The Airplanes I used in the Pictures are:
-PIC Feelthere Embraer ERJ-145 model. Custom made Satena textures made by a friend and myself.

-Boeing 737 NG PMDG model. Custom made Fuerza Aérea Colombiana 0001 textures made by the same friend and myself.

The Flight simulator ATC will never issue a landing on Runway 19 I don't know why, but I never use that ATC. What I meant when I said cleared was when Online Flying in Vatsim with controllers that are people, you should try it. Vatsim.net

[Edited 2006-03-20 23:39:16]


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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5828 times:

Andres,

You made quite an accurate description about the different roads that connect the city with the airport. I'll comment on a couple of details nonetheless.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 20):
Medellin-Bogota
It's a road in very good conditions, not really curvy and very fast. It takes like 45 minutes to get to the Airport in that road but I've managed to get there even in 35 minutes.

Indeed, so have I. In fact, with the current works going on in Las Palmas, the Medellin-Bogota highway is the one I now usually take, even during the hours when Las Palmas is opened for traffic. It's unbareable to drive through that highway under the current conditions, but fortunately works are going fast and hopefully soon we'll have it done.

You forgot to add that the Medellin-Bogota highway has one great advantage on the positive side, and it's that it also has 2 lanes per side most of the way. The toll fee is a bit more expensive, but it's definitely worth it. Great scenery of the northern part of the valley as well.

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 20):
33th roads goes far to the west of the city until 80th avenue.

A bit further actually. 33th avenue ends when it meets 84th street  Smile

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 20):
There was a plan to build a tunnel beneath the mountains that make most of the travel time to the 11NM away MDE and would have decreased time travel to some 15-20 minutes, but it was dropped until further advise.

The project was suspended basically because there weren't too many benefits for the cost of the project.

The tunnel would turn out to be extremely expensive, and studies showed that it would only shorten the trip from the city to the airport in about 20 minutes. It's much cheaper to upgrade the road to a 4-lane highway [as they are currently doing], and still, it is planned to shorten the trip in 10-15 minutes.

When the three stages of the Las Palmas upgrade are completed, the drive to the airport should take around 30 minutes. Currently they are in the middle of stage two, reportedly the most difficult one because it's the part where the road goes through the toughest, most unstable terrain. Lots of bridges are being put to short-cut several abysses, which you've probably seen.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 20):
I'm going to use Flight Simulator again to show you, I'm sorry if it pisses anybody off.

Far from it! I find the whole discussion about the approach to EOH and the FS illustrations fascinating! Good to see the different roads on the map too, that I have used as a passenger, but without paying too much attention (well, on the Santa Elena one I do remember getting nauseous the sometimes). So Thank you!

I have flown into EOH only twice, both on SAM (720 and 727 I think), both from ADZ as a 4 yr lod the first time round and again 2 yrs after that.

The last time I can still remember disinctly, as there was a very tense atmosphere onboard: It was raining and passengers could only see grey through the windows. And the turbulence, banking movements, and at the same time as "dropping", I mean, it really was a series of steep qantum drops, to which every one seemed to give a groan, contributed to a feeling in oblivion. It seemed an eternity until the plane was finally on the staight line to the runway, and we could start recognising features of our city. Phew!


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1599 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Quoting 757MDE (Reply 20):
The distance from threshold of Runway 01 of EOH to the threshold of Runway 36 MDE in a straight line is 11nm aprox (not much). But Medellin happens to be in a valley full of tall mountains and the roads to the Airport (there's three) have to climb them (with some curves involved) and then descend from them again. The road distance is between 30 something and 40 something kilometers depending on the road chosen and the road time averagely takes from 40 minutes to 1+ hour depending on traffic, road and overall conditions. I'm going to use Flight Simulator again to show you, I'm sorry if it pisses anybody off.
The things I marked are not exactly accurate in any way, but that's how the thing is sort of.

Thank you for the detailed driving descriptions. Our city (San Diego) wants to build an airport high up in the mountains far from the city. It is the only option that does not involve a military base. Because it is 70 miles away and I am not for it. I was just wondering if MDE was in the same position. It is not nearly as bad as I had thought.

By the way, it looks like you have a beautiful city and I will definitely visit soon. Thanks again for the info.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 21):
You made quite an accurate description about the different roads that connect the city with the airport.

Thanks dude.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 21):
The tunnel would turn out to be extremely expensive, and studies showed that it would only shorten the trip from the city to the airport in about 20 minutes. It's much cheaper to upgrade the road to a 4-lane highway [as they are currently doing], and still, it is planned to shorten the trip in 10-15 minutes.

When the three stages of the Las Palmas upgrade are completed, the drive to the airport should take around 30 minutes. Currently they are in the middle of stage two, reportedly the most difficult one because it's the part where the road goes through the toughest, most unstable terrain. Lots of bridges are being put to short-cut several abysses, which you've probably seen.

Yes that's true, and there's more important priorities anyway.
I still think it will eventually be done sometime in the future.

Yes, I have seen the works and indeed there are lots of bridges, short, long, straight curvy... that second stage is all bridges. I honestly never imagined that project was going to be made, I didn't see how could they but Civil Engineering has good ways.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 21):
A bit further actually. 33th avenue ends when it meets 84th street

Ahh! Indeed! Thanks for reminding... I'm all used to only going until the 80th that I forgot that deed!. In fact, I've only gone further than the 80th street coming from the 33th avenue like two times in my life....hehehe.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 22):
Far from it! I find the whole discussion about the approach to EOH and the FS illustrations fascinating! Good to see the different roads on the map too, that I have used as a passenger, but without paying too much attention (well, on the Santa Elena one I do remember getting nauseous the sometimes). So Thank you!

Anytime dude!
I've travelled all them lots of times since I live in the MDE region and have to travel to downtown veery frequently, even though I haven't travelled the Envigado variant that much. Santa Helena makes anybody nauseous...
If you or anybody (and you Turk223 that are into FS as well) want to see some other pictures of my (only-by-now-I-hope) virtual flights click here.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 23):
Thank you for the detailed driving descriptions. Our city (San Diego) wants to build an airport high up in the mountains far from the city. It is the only option that does not involve a military base. Because it is 70 miles away and I am not for it. I was just wondering if MDE was in the same position. It is not nearly as bad as I had thought.

By the way, it looks like you have a beautiful city and I will definitely visit soon. Thanks again for the info.

You're welcome as well, why the need for a military base?
So far it'd be a sort of Californian Narita!

Yes, Medellín is cool. It has lots of problems but has a really nice side that the media doesn't portray (good news = no news). When you come here nothing should happen if you use common sense, welcome to Medellín.



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25 SOUTHAMERICA : I shared exactly the same thoughts about the first stage, the one that goes from San Diego Mall to the Intercontinental Hotel. There were several seg
26 777jaah : Well, this is not about FS, but the original topic, sorry.......... First time I flew to EOH was in ALM in a CLO-EOH-UAU-EOH-CLO back in 1982, if i'm
27 RICARIZA : "Au contraire mon ami".. My first goal when I signed up to A.Net was to learn. I have been reading this thread since it started. I haven't post anyth
28 Avianca707359B : I agree, this thread has been quite interesting. I never used FlightSimulator 2004 before so now I can buy it and spend more countless hours thinking
29 Post contains links and images Coronado990 : The mountain I refer to is the Coastal Range that separates our ocean from the desert. The highest peak (Cuyamaca Peak) can be seen and is about 6500
30 Post contains links and images RICARIZA : That you can be sure about. Medellin is one of the most beautiful cities in Colombia..(and I am being objective because I am not from Medellin) And d
31 Post contains images Legacy135 : Thank you very much for all the pictures, but what I specially loved is the 720 approach plate. Those kind of things are real aviation history! If yo
32 Turk223 : Wow! I feel like I've finally started a good post... woo-hoo! And, it's ended up being a great side-discussion about my adopted city - Medellín. Love
33 Post contains links and images SOUTHAMERICA : Popular opinion has it that the airline offered quite satisfactory services as whole. Remember, however, that Aerocondor wasn't founded in Medellin,
34 Post contains links and images 757MDE : Say that to me! I have like 400 hours only on Vatsim!... and I don't know how many offline hours plus like 120 from IVAO. I don't have a life anyways
35 757MDE : Just giving it a little pump for interested people to see the pictures (they usually log in at this time and I replied latee in the night)
36 SOUTHAMERICA : Wonderful pictures. It's interesting to see how dramatically have the surroundings of runway 01 changed during all these years. It seems like Campos d
37 Post contains links and images 757MDE : Yes, I also had a picture of an Avianca 727 coming as low as the Electra, it was like common in that time. Campos de Paz has eaten a big stake of El R
38 RICARIZA : GREAT PICS of Aerocondor.. I love that livery! Thanks man!!!
39 Turk223 : I never expected to ever start a topic that would seem to interest people this much! I thought I was the only one who was into knowing more about EOH
40 Post contains links and images 757MDE : You're welcome quasi-paisano! If I recall correctly the licitation was closed in 1995 and the runway entered service in 1998 amidst a big turmoil amo
41 Post contains images SOUTHAMERICA : To elaborate a bit more on what Andres mentioned about accidents... In December of 1983, Tampa was indeed involved in a major accident in Medellin. Th
42 SOUTHAMERICA : Right. Though this one happened in the 90s. The TwinOtter was bound for Bahia Solano, and it was already leaving the valley behind. The aircraft cras
43 757MDE : To elaborate a bit more now that I found the Tampa magazine and to add to Fede's great picture. From Tampa's 30th aniversary magazine: It's the whole
44 Turk223 : Again, more great postings. You have no idea, Andrés, Federico, and Ricardo, how much I appreciate your stories and comments! ¡Les agradezco mucho!
45 Bongo : You forgot to mention what I think is the most important crash (historically): When Argentinean/French (whatever) tango singer Carlos Gardel died in
46 Turk223 : Yep, I mentioned that one - it must be the most well-known I'm guessing.... It seems there was some controversy about that accident; was it something
47 Post contains links and images 757MDE : I didn't mention it because Russ asked for other accidents besides that one, but you're right, it's the most important historically speaking. Besides
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