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Did Jetblue Forget About The Midwest?  
User currently offlinePhuebner From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 244 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7778 times:

I was looking at Jetblue's route map and thought that it was odd that there are no flights to the midwest. What is the deal?

http://www.jetblue.com/travelinfo/routemap.asp


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

I'm surprised they haven't come into Chicago yet... Either O'Hare or Midway... I'm sure they feel that WN and UA/AA scream "WE HAVE THE MARKET!!!" But they could always fly into MKE. MKE is, or was a focus city for NWA, and they used to get tons of traffic... In the airline business, it seems that airlines like to "kick em when they're down" so I feel that maybe now would be a good time for jetBlue to send in 2 embraers and 1 A320 and check it out. Kind of get things stirred up with some flights to Florida (to get us wisconsinites out of the cold for a cheap price) and maybe down to the "chocolate city". (Better known as New Orleans)

We could also use some flights to California. Come on jetBlue... What are you waiting for?


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4466 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Do a search for threads about JetBlue and Chicago. They want into O'Hare badly, but the City can't seem to free up as many gates as they want (four or six, I think). There were a number of threads in 2005 that discussed this question, and JetBlue has been interested in Chicago awhile longer than that.

Jim


User currently offlineWerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

We are slowly closing the gap. In time we will be in the Chicago are I believe that is when you will notice that the issue of no midwestern flights will be a thing of the past. When Chicago happens, you can bet it will be a major station from where midwest destinations will originate from. I'd say give it another 6mos to a year for us to be in Chicago and another year or two after that to start filling in that area.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7705 times:

B6 has said all along that they want ORD and only ORD.


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User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7690 times:

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 3):
When Chicago happens, you can bet it will be a major station from where midwest destinations will originate from. I'd say give it another 6mos to a year for us to be in Chicago and another year or two after that to start filling in that area.

Great, one more airline where I can connect in ORD/MDW-- no thanks!  Sad


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7637 times:

I bet they will get courted by Minneapolis. Even though NW is the big one there, the MSP council has stated that with the redevelopment & expansion of the HHH terminal they will be courting airlines to give Minnesotans more choices.

It is only a matter of time. There are other choices too. MKE or MSN could do well with more choices to the coasts.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

There is no rule that an airline most serve every region of the country. Quite clearly, jetBlue's business stragedy has involved mainly coastal markets, and I really don't think they need to stray far from that.


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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

I was under the impression that B6 was looking at MKE with the RJ's to start. I thought this year sometime. We can only hope. I believe that there is room in this market for another MKE to LAS possibly to MCO as well however that is pretty well served already.There are no nonstops to JFK from MKE. LGA has nonstops from YX and NW.
MKE to SEA needs service as does MKE to SFO.
With the rail line just off MKE grounds it offers quick transit from Chicago to catch a flight out of MKE. I hope MKE can expand and offer nonstop to SFO and SEA shortly as well as maybe a international flight 2 or 3 days a week to draw traffic from ORD however I find that highly doubtful.
Regards,
Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2221 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7578 times:

Quoting Werdywerd (Reply 3):
When Chicago happens, you can bet it will be a major station from where midwest destinations will originate from.

I wish they would start a midwest hub or focus city in STL to connect the possible forthcoming midwest destinations. There is a whole concourse available there as well as the new runway that was just opened. Can ORD handle another hub on top of AA and UA? I think the FAA just extended the cap it had in place which limits the number of flights during peak hours there. I realize AA has a hub in STL but JetBlue could maybe have a 50-100 flights per day hub there.


User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Quite clearly, jetBlue's business stragedy has involved mainly coastal markets, and I really don't think they need to stray far from that.

I don't get that. I thought the main reason they ordered the E-190's was to expand in the midwest where most of the markets can't support larger A320's.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
There is no rule that an airline most serve every region of the country. Quite clearly, jetBlue's business stragedy has involved mainly coastal markets, and I really don't think they need to stray far from that.

Everyone is ignoring the fact that B6 is a "Blue State" airline, with BLUE in the name, partly founded by a left-wing billionaire in George Soros. It is kind of convenient that they only seem to serve liberal places or places New York liberals fly to. There are very few cities they serve or states they serve that don't tend to vote democratic in USA elections.

Heck, look at Texas. Only one city: Austin. Look at Louisiana, New Orleans, the city that tips the state blue. Very few cities they fly to are RED.

Just an observation...

So, ORD fits in the scheme, as would DTW.



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

Since several of their East-->West 'nonstops' had to stop there recently because of strong headwinds, why wouldn't OKC be a great place to set up shop? I mean, a carrier that is facing a loss should be looking for smart places to go. Here in New England they decided (or, Massport decided for them) that Boston was the place for them. Now, we find out that hardly any of the Boston routes are making money. No wonder, with higher costs associated with flying into and out of Logan. Seems to me that O'Hare would be the same sort of situation. I'm not saying that jetBlue SHOULDN'T fly to O'Hare; just that any substantive midwest operation might best be located in a secondary market rather than a primary one. A place like OKC might well offer subsidies like zero landing fees, or preferred gates...things that a major airport doesn't have to offer.

Since we talk so much about fuel costs, it is indisputable that jetBlue would spend more money on fuel at O'Hare than at OKC (or at Logan versus either MHT or PVD) because of all the taxiing and long queues to take off (or to land). That's not opinion, it's fact. If I were jetBlue I'd rather be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big one. Less taxiing time at OKC; straight-in approaches...both of which yield lower fuel consumption over the long run.

I guess by this time next year we'll see whether jetBlue's 'big city' focus was a good thing or a mis-guided one.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7426 times:

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 1):
MKE is, or was a focus city for NWA, and they used to get tons of traffic...

It still IS a hub for Midwest... who has a very good product.

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 12):
Since several of their East-->West 'nonstops' had to stop there recently because of strong headwinds, why wouldn't OKC be a great place to set up shop?

I always thought OKC is a very underserved airport. It really has no eastward service sans the 2x EWR ERJ's on CO. DC area has a ton of O&D, and NYC has a ton more O&D than is currently being served. Sure they have CVG and ATL on Delta, but that's not the "East" to many people who think BOS/NYC/PHL/DC Area.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1395 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 8):
I was under the impression that B6 was looking at MKE with the RJ's to start. I thought this year sometime. We can only hope. I believe that there is room in this market for another MKE to LAS possibly to MCO as well however that is pretty well served already.There are no nonstops to JFK from MKE. LGA has nonstops from YX and NW.
MKE to SEA needs service as does MKE to SFO.
With the rail line just off MKE grounds it offers quick transit from Chicago to catch a flight out of MKE. I hope MKE can expand and offer nonstop to SFO and SEA shortly as well as maybe a international flight 2 or 3 days a week to draw traffic from ORD however I find that highly doubtful.

Despite my bias for MKE--my old hometown--I have always wond ered about the Concourse C expansion and whether that's tied to any otherwise unannounced expansion plans for an airline, and to me I believe that B6 has always been somewhat a part of that.

As you mentioned, I believe that B6 and YX can coexist in MKE: YX has no more capacity to open up routes that B6 could operate with some great success, particularly the west coast nonstops (MKE-SFO, MKE-SEA, MKE-SAN). Meanwhile, B6 doesn't have the established stations on some of YX core routes in the midwest region itself. All in all, I think it'd be a win-win for all parties involved, and IMHO, Milwaukee County wouldn't pursue such expansion plans without some assurance that the new facilities would get nearly immediate use.

-Mike



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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1384 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 1):
But they could always fly into MKE. MKE is, or was a focus city for NWA, and they used to get tons of traffic... In the airline business, it seems that airlines like to "kick em when they're down" so I feel that maybe now would be a good time for jetBlue to send in 2 embraers and 1 A320 and check it out.



Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 8):
I was under the impression that B6 was looking at MKE with the RJ's to start. I thought this year sometime. We can only hope. I believe that there is room in this market for another MKE to LAS possibly to MCO as well however that is pretty well served already.There are no nonstops to JFK from MKE. LGA has nonstops from YX and NW.
MKE to SEA needs service as does MKE to SFO.
With the rail line just off MKE grounds it offers quick transit from Chicago to catch a flight out of MKE. I hope MKE can expand and offer nonstop to SFO and SEA shortly as well as maybe a international flight 2 or 3 days a week to draw traffic from ORD however I find that highly doubtful.
Regards,
Mark in MKE

I saw Neeleman give a speech a few months back, and he said that MKE is a city they're considering.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Everyone is ignoring the fact that B6 is a "Blue State" airline, with BLUE in the name, partly founded by a left-wing billionaire in George Soros. It is kind of convenient that they only seem to serve liberal places or places New York liberals fly to. There are very few cities they serve or states they serve that don't tend to vote democratic in USA elections.

Are you KIDDING??! Are you forgetting SLC? Forget Soros, Neeleman is a devout Mormon with nine kids. He's a great guy, but he is all about red state values. I think your statement about flying to blue states is 100% coincidental.


User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 14):
Milwaukee County wouldn't pursue such expansion plans without some assurance that the new facilities would get nearly immediate use.

Mikey as I write this they are trying to organize a Airport district here to take control of MKE. This was done behind the scenes and quite covertly. They do not want a single politician on the board. This was being done by MMAC president Tim Sheey.
That way when it comes to expansion they do not have all of the politics involved with any projects. A runway expansion will require removal of some homes.
MKE does need some expansion to attract new airlines here.
Regards,
Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1395 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 16):
Mikey as I write this they are trying to organize a Airport district here to take control of MKE. This was done behind the scenes and quite covertly. They do not want a single politician on the board. This was being done by MMAC president Tim Sheey.

I did read about that this past week on JSOnline, so I was deliberate in using "Milwaukee County" in my post. Typically they have been VERY conservative in expansion--likely moreso than a regional airport authority IMO--so to add 8-10 gates at once struck me as a bit atypical for that management team.

With no room at ORD nor MDW and no seeming desire to open up GYY or RFD, I've got to think that MKE and this expansion has got B6's attention.

-Mike



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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

Mikey,
We have a Amtrak station just off the airport grounds by 13th street as well with direct access to Mitchell from there.
MKE could if they play their cards correctly land alot of business from greater Chicago..Regards,
Mark in MKE



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7281 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Everyone is ignoring the fact that B6 is a "Blue State" airline, with BLUE in the name, partly founded by a left-wing billionaire in George Soros. It is kind of convenient that they only seem to serve liberal places or places New York liberals fly to. There are very few cities they serve or states they serve that don't tend to vote democratic in USA elections.

Most large cities vote Democratic, and so does the northeast where they are based. Since they have a lot of local flights and flights to major cities, that's not surprising.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Heck, look at Texas. Only one city: Austin. Look at Louisiana, New Orleans, the city that tips the state blue. Very few cities they fly to are RED.

The only thing surprising is that they don't fly to Houston or Dallas. But perhaps they don't want to fight AA and CO (and WN to a limited extend).



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User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

MKE is getting better and better. Just take a look at the inside of the main terminal now: it's beautiful compared to what it used to look like. Concourse C looks brand new with the renovation complete (minus the hammerhead), and the hammerhead (which is now being built apparently) will add even more to concourse C. All MKE needs now is a little bit more airline service (such as JetBlue or an increased amount of flights from existing airlines). Lengthening runways 19L/1R and/or 7L/25R (or others) would hopefully attract some expansion in terms of number of flights.

User currently offlineJonnyGT From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 12):
Everyone is ignoring the fact that B6 is a "Blue State" airline, with BLUE in the name, partly founded by a left-wing billionaire in George Soros. It is kind of convenient that they only seem to serve liberal places or places New York liberals fly to. There are very few cities they serve or states they serve that don't tend to vote democratic in USA elections.

Heck, look at Texas. Only one city: Austin. Look at Louisiana, New Orleans, the city that tips the state blue. Very few cities they fly to are RED.

Just an observation...

So, ORD fits in the scheme, as would DTW.

Congratulations, I do believe you have written the most inane piece of horsesh*t I have ever had the pleasure of reading on these boards.

Why don't you take your ramblings back to FreeRepublic.com?

Unless of course you are writing an excellent piece of satire, and to that I say, bravo! Big grin

[Edited 2006-03-20 08:32:09]

User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7012 times:

Bring some planes to DTW and MKE I think. ORD is just to full of planes. If jetBlue goes to MKE, do you think that they could take over quite a few of the flights from Midwest? I think that the Wisonsins would be very loyal to their airline.


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User currently offlineL1329II From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Everyone is ignoring the fact that B6 is a "Blue State" airline, with BLUE in the name, partly founded by a left-wing billionaire in George Soros. It is kind of convenient that they only seem to serve liberal places or places New York liberals fly to. There are very few cities they serve or states they serve that don't tend to vote democratic in USA elections.

Heck, look at Texas. Only one city: Austin. Look at Louisiana, New Orleans, the city that tips the state blue. Very few cities they fly to are RED.

Just an observation...



Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 15):

Are you KIDDING??! Are you forgetting SLC? Forget Soros, Neeleman is a devout Mormon with nine kids. He's a great guy, but he is all about red state values. I think your statement about flying to blue states is 100% coincidental.

 checkmark 

This has to be the most ridiculous thing I have seen on here yet. Neeleman has said repeatedly that B6 is first moving into areas where there is the most profit potential.


User currently offlineMCIrunway From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6783 times:

Quoting L1329II (Reply 24):
B6 is first moving into areas where there is the most profit potential.

such business acumen


25 ChrisNH : Oooooo...there's that EVVVILLLLL word...PROFIT!!! How typical of a supposed Liberally-aligned outfit to scream and holler about others making a profi
26 L1329II : Its the way it came out... Hope you like it.
27 Post contains links BHMBAGLOCK : Fair use excerpt from http://www.esignalcentral.com/exchange/08_2003/money_investing.asp Note that this is 2 1/2 years old - I don't know if Soros ha
28 Deltamike172 : I find it interesting that some people have gone so low as to comparing an airline's route map to politics. I simply feel obligated to add my opinion
29 Thegooddoctor : Probably more of a coincidence with the fact that major population concentrations are on the coasts - where the blue states also tend to be. Also, AZ
30 SAIL52115 : Hey: This is a ridiculous statment, plain and simple. Allow me to shoot your argument full of holes here with one word: FLORIDA! This state is as "re
31 AussieItaliano : I agree with everyone else who has called this post the biggest pile of crap ever seen. I guess NY conservatives never go to FL or CA. I suppose that
32 Post contains images JFKLGANYC : "Hey: This is a ridiculous statment, plain and simple. Allow me to shoot your argument full of holes here with one word: FLORIDA! This state is as "re
33 Lowecur : Jetblue needs to be in the Midwest. I was surprised they didn't name a few 2nd tier cities, but I believe they want to see a shakeout in the next 12 m
34 Jetdeltamsy : $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ if they could make money in the midwest, they would already be flying to the midwest.
35 B6JFKH81 : This is true, but the E190's were also brought online to "connect the dots" so to speak. This is currently happening with connecting the cities like
36 L1329II : This has been the best explanation so far. I know that MCI and STL have a lot of gate space available but there are quite a few factors involved also
37 Ckfred : From what I've read, B6 isn't interested in MDW, because it has a number of LCCs and it caters to passengers in the south and southwest suburbs. Manag
38 ERJ170 : Since all the news reports state the B6 will be going "Back to their Roots" with their Original destination list.. can anyone please list the destinat
39 Post contains links Crash65 : http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/routemap_dyn.html Agreed. Check the Southwest Route map and notice the strength they have in much of the Midwe
40 Goodmanr : This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. You think anyone would stay in the airline business, let alone make any money at all if they mad
41 Steeler83 : I think you mean MDW instead of ORD for WN... If B6 was to start serving STL, what destinations would be served? BOS, JFK, OAK, BUR, maybe another de
42 Phuebner : To "J" the Gentleman who emailed me: I would be interested in talking with you on a side note. I just have some questions that do not pertain to this
43 ATCT : Not sure if we're Midwest or Mid-Atlantic (depends on who ya talk to). But they are starting service here @ PIT June 30th. ATCT
44 NYCFlyer : Neeleman = Mormon = Utah No, B6 is not a Blue State airline. 'nuff said
45 Phuebner : Did not really mean for this to go political.
46 Aerokiwi : Oh dear, paranoid much? Where do you even start to critique this kind of post? Maybe I'll just leave it to what's already been said. But still, worth
47 Phuebner : You know, you're probably right so what the hey?
48 MSNtriathlete : Milwaukee and Chicago O'Hare would be reasonable, and JetBlue has already made its interests in these markets clear, but many markets in the Midwest a
49 Thegooddoctor : I actually have a counterproposal - JetBlue is not as interested in Politics, as has been proposed, but I think it's a racist airline! They serve pla
50 Bigdrewfl : Yeah Whatever....................This statement you make is preposterous!!!
51 Thegooddoctor : LOL! I am the master of preposterous!
52 Post contains images Nitrohelper : QXatFAT,reply=22] I think that the Wisonsins would be very loyal to their airline. I agree with you, I'm a MKE homeboy and support Midwest when I can.
53 Post contains images Crash65 : You are correct sir ! Thanks
54 Post contains images FlyBoy84 : Frankly, I've seen posting stating that B6 would eventually serve St. Louis, but I just don't see it happening...at least not with AA at its current
55 Post contains images NWADC9 : You are kidding, right?
56 Post contains images CHI787ORD : It's a purple state.  [Edited 2006-03-22 17:10:33]
57 AussieItaliano : Sure they do. He's very pro-Israel. Back to the topic though. B6 has stated that they intend to serve the Midwest, but they need more E190's to serve
58 Ikramerica : I am part of that group, and that's really not the case. He's pro-Israel, most Jews agree on terrorism stand, yet they still don't vote for him or hi
59 TxAgKuwait : The political intrigue piece of this is fascinating. I don't think it's the ultimate reason for their selected expansion, but it does make a certain p
60 JetBluefan1 : I think it's ridiculous to say that JetBlue only flies to "blue" cities. This is nothing but coincidence. Perhaps it's just that New Yorkers prefer th
61 Coschnauzer : Good point, Ikra! I never thought of it that way, but you're absolutely right.
62 AussieItaliano : By all of this logic about the blue/red stuff, who would be a red airline though? You can't say DL, because even though Georgia is red, Atlanta is a l
63 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Ok this is going to far. B6 goes into leisure destinations that new yorkers and now Bostonians want to go to. They have upstate b/c that was Schumers
64 L1329II : Benson was the Sec of Agriculture. Also Neeleman is a Member of the LDS Church. I do think this red state blue state is a bunch of bunk but since som
65 Post contains images Nitrohelper : I vote tor MKE, and to keep the colors going,, Milwaukee city and county are very blue! I live to the West in Waukesha county, the most red place in t
66 Steeler83 : Man, did this evolve into a political discussion... As they all say, politics and money, make the world go around... I agree with the statement that B
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