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User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 914 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Hi everyone,

Are the 747s of Pan Am all grounded?
Or are there a few still flying?

Thnx for replies.

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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4583 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2748 times:
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Some are still flying, mostly as cargo 747s for Evergreen and maybe Polar..

User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3623 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

A few of their 747s went to Tower Air & flew on for a few years after PA went under, although I think Tower's been out of business since 2000.

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User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1894 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 2470 times:

Pan Am flew a combination of original -121 aircraft new from the factory and second-hand examples, most notably ex-SIA -212 airplanes.

NP771A is still flying, with UPS as N681UP

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This was the first 747 I saw up close, back in 1971 at Schiphol airport, when he was named Clipper Donald McKay.

N564PA is still flying, with UPS as N682UP

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N658PA is still flying, with UPS as N683UP

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N653PA is still flying, with Evergreen, as N480EV

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The Tower Air cargo birds, long-serving, ended up at Mojave when the airline went belly-up.

N744PA flies occasionally, as the GE testbed N747GE

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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 2432 times:

Pan Am took delivery of 45 first-tier 747s...33 -121s, 2 -221Fs and 10 -SP21s. The 2 freighters are still with JAL as far as I know of. Most of the -121s are retired and/or written off, with one example I know of flying with GE Engines as a testbed...still with its P&W engines. And the -SPs? Try http://www.747sp.com
Hope this helps. Regards.


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User currently offlineJohnclipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Didn't PA's early B747-121s go back to Boeing for mod work to become B747-121A's?

User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1415 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 2103 times:

Did Pan Am ever express any interest in the 747-400?


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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1831 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Does anyone know what was the last ex-PanAm 747 in passenger service? Was it Tower Air? UA perhaps?

I remember a book mentioning that some 747s were sold to UA along with the Pacific routes. When UA received the planes, they circled the dings in the nacelles with a red marker and several UA execs. complained that the planes looked like they had acne.

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 1871 times:
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What became of their 747-100 registered N742PA? Used to see it a lot in SYD in the early 1980's

Thanks and Regards, PanAm_DC10


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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 6):
Did Pan Am ever express any interest in the 747-400?

I think by the early 1990s PanAm was interested in the A340. I remember because I started a thread a few years ago and a few memebers stated that PanAm was going to order some before they went under.

Tommy in EWR/LAX.

[Edited 2006-03-21 04:29:02]

[Edited 2006-03-21 04:29:54]


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User currently offlineRandyWaldron From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 324 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 8):
What became of their 747-100 registered N742PA? Used to see it a lot in SYD in the early 1980's

742 was de-registered by the FAA on 28Feb92 and scrapped at ADM.


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User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Quoting RandyWaldron (Reply 10):
I think by the early 1990s PanAm was interested in the A340. I remember because I started a thread a few years ago and a few memebers stated that PanAm was going to order some before they went under.

By the time the 747-400 was being developed Pan Am had already sold its Pacific routes. I believe the reason that they were looking at A340s and A333s as replacements for the 747-100s was because these had become a bit too large for many European and Latin American routes. Also the A310s were too small in some instances and did not have the range to fly certain routes nonstop. Also at the time Airbus was probably willing to offer PA a great price for the planes just to get such a high profile order, and after all they had already ordered the A320s.

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1773 times:
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Quoting RandyWaldron (Reply 10):
742 was de-registered by the FAA on 28Feb92 and scrapped at ADM.

Thank you, best I change the comment next to the picture of it at SYD in my profile. I wasn't aware that 742s had 3 window upper decks. My error for thinking it to be a 741.

Thanks for telling me of it's sad ending

Regards, PanAm_DC10


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User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 671 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Pan Am went out of business in 1991, long before the -400 came around.

Rgds,
Ed


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User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting Clipper002 (Reply 13):
Pan Am went out of business in 1991, long before the -400 came around.

Huh?! I thought the 747-400 was in service already in 1991


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User currently offlineStudentFlyer From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 688 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Quoting Clipper002 (Reply 13):
Pan Am went out of business in 1991, long before the -400 came around.

The -400 made its first flight in 1988 IIRC, and first scheduled passenger flight was in 1989. So that was before PA went bust

Edit: It seems like the -400 is a new aircraft, when in fact, it is nearly 20 years old! How time really flies!

[Edited 2006-03-21 13:19:19]

User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 671 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

My apologies. I should have stated my post differently. It was in response to a post that stated that Pan Am was interested in the A340 in the early 1990's. Pan Am was on the brink of disaster in 1990 and couldn't afford much of anything. The plan to keep Pan Am flying eliminated all of the fleet with the exception of some 727's and A-300's with MIA being the main base of operations.

Rgds,
Ed


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User currently offlineMrFord From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 140 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 12):
Thank you, best I change the comment next to the picture of it at SYD in my profile. I wasn't aware that 742s had 3 window upper decks. My error for thinking it to be a 741.

I think he means that N742PA, a 747-121 s/n 18, was scrapped  Smile

But yes, some 747-200s were ordered with the original 3 upper deck windows (KLM's P&W ones for example)

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Later -100s were available with 8 upper deck windows options...

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... which is different with the 10-windows configuration of the 200s

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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1415 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

Quoting MrFord (Reply 17):
Later -100s were available with 8 upper deck windows options...

Also didn't some airlines send their 100's with 3 windows back to be updated with more windows?


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User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Quoting MrFord (Reply 17):
But yes, some 747-200s were ordered with the original 3 upper deck windows (KLM's P&W ones for example)

Correct, I'll post a little off topic reaction. KLM had 6 of their 7 P&W 747-200's modified with 10 windows on the upper-deck in 1979/1980.

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In 1984/1985 there was an upper-deck modification again. This time on their 10 GE 747-200's which got an extended upper-deck like the 747-300

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