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Boeing Running Out Of Sevens  
User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19347 times:

After the 707, 717, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777 and now the 787, they'll only be the 797 left... and then? Any idea what will happen? Will they move on to 8x8?


rolf
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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19327 times:

I reckon 7107. Where does it say the number must be three digits?

User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19302 times:

797, 807, 817, 827, 837, etc.

 Big grin



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19272 times:

Y1 has been renamed B737RS, so I'm guessing Y3 will become the B797. I don't think there will be any new models after that for a long time.

User currently offlineAMSMAN From Ireland, joined Jan 2002, 1016 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19244 times:

Why do they have to be numbers anyway? Be cool if they used names instead, like car manufacterers

Boeing Sleek Arrow
Boeing Air Ship
Bowing Dream Machine

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User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19195 times:

Quoting AMSMAN (Reply 4):
Boeing Air Ship

Air Ship? Like Air Bus, except it's slower and it floats?


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9268 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19179 times:

How about the 800, 810, 820... Or would this be too similar to Airbus... Perhaps some planes would have a T-tail like the 717 and 727... Just a thought really...


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19179 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 3):
Y1 has been renamed B737RS, so I'm guessing Y3 will become the B797. I don't think there will be any new models after that for a long time.

Dude, 737RS is just a development name. Do you really think Airbus will keep the name 'NSR' for the A320 replacement? Or that Boeing will produce an aircraft whose full name is "737 Replacement Study?"



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19179 times:

I'd put my money on 807,817,827 and so forth. Only thing is, I don't think anything will be coming up after the 737 replacement.

User currently offlineLuis777 From Mexico, joined Aug 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19148 times:

7107, 7117, 7127, 7137 and so on, I think they must keep the 7 - 7

Don't "seven ten seven", "seven eleven seven" and "seven twelve seven" sound great?

Regards

LG


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19148 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 3):
I don't think there will be any new models after that for a long time.

Do you imagine that the 20s will be like 90s for Boeing and the 00s for Airbus, with the other company pushing forward with new development while they hope they can make their old aircraft competitive?


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19115 times:

I am thinking that this issue is at least 20 years off in the minds of the Boeing executives...Not worth arguing over today.

But I would think 808, 818, 828, etc.  Wink

James



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19115 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 1):
I reckon 7107. Where does it say the number must be three digits?

I second that, it seems that 7 is their lucky number so they might do that.



rolf
User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19089 times:

I think Boeing may start 708, 718, 728 etc.
The Seven in the beginning should stay in my opinion.

Quoting Glom (Reply 1):
reckon 7107. Where does it say the number must be three digits?

They surely will stay three digits. It's easier to remember.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19089 times:

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 16):
They surely will stay three digits. It's easier to remember.

But no easier to say. "seven-ten-seven" works just as well as "seven eight seven" or "eight oh eight" or what ever.



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User currently offlineLijnden From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19059 times:
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I think after the 797 the middle number will be replace by a letter. Reason is that the 7-7 series are well recognized by both the public and with the airlines.

707,717,720,727,737,747,757,767,777,787,797
7A7,7B7,7C7,7D7, 7E7

What will Airbus do? There numbers are less logical.
A300,A310,A318,A319,A320,A321,A330,A340,A350,A380



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19059 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):

Dude, 737RS is just a development name. Do you really think Airbus will keep the name 'NSR' for the A320 replacement? Or that Boeing will produce an aircraft whose full name is "737 Replacement Study?"

Maybe they will give it the ultra-boring development name of 737R when they actually get authority to offer.



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User currently offlineKYAir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19059 times:

Quoting Luis777 (Reply 9):
Don't "seven ten seven", "seven eleven seven" and "seven twelve seven" sound great?

Nope, I don't. Too much to get out of your mouth, but maybe I'm just a slow-tongued Southerner!

Quoting Glom (Reply 10):
Do you imagine that the 20s will be like 90s for Boeing and the 00s for Airbus, with the other company pushing forward with new development while they hope they can make their old aircraft competitive?

I think we're currently in the equivalent to the 1956-1969 era of many new planes and advancements occurring at breakneck speed. Then, we will probably enter a time similar to the 1970s, were there was little in the way of new aircraft (Remember: 747 and Concorde were developed and flown in the 1960s, and the 757-767 & A320 didn't fly until the 1980s, before I get  flamed  )



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 18967 times:

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 11):
I second that, it seems that 7 is their lucky number so they might do that.

Looks like you third and fourth it as well. Seven is so clearly their lucky number. Triple it and you have the aircraft that saved Boeing from total doom.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1911 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 18893 times:

Quoting Luis777 (Reply 9):
7107, 7117, 7127, 7137 and so on, I think they must keep the 7 - 7

Don't "seven ten seven", "seven eleven seven" and "seven twelve seven" sound great?

Regards

LG

Signed with both hands and both feet. Boeing should go that route, since they obviously prefer the numeric naming, focusing on the manufacturer's brand name instead (just like all those luxury car makers do these days).
I personally would love Boeing to "steal" the idea of the great British manufacturers from the 40s and 50s and go with "regular" model names followed by the legendary "Mk" denumeration... Nothing in my opinion sounds more distinguishing than "Viking Mark 1" or "Spitfire Mark 9" - just imagine how glorious would "Worldliner Mark 3" or "Dreamliner Mark 5" sound... puts much more soul into the airplane than combination of numers and letters...

Quoting KYAir (Reply 20):
Nope, I don't. Too much to get out of your mouth, but maybe I'm just a slow-tongued Southerner!

It's you. If this country follows this path down, my grandchildren would probably speak with abbreviations only... puts great Shakespearean language to shame...      

[Edited 2006-03-20 22:36:47]


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 18868 times:

Boeing would do well to consider using "8" as a prefix to new aircraft in the future - in many Asian countries, "8" is a lucky number.

I can just see a Boeing "888" registered JA8888!!  rotfl 



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 18789 times:

Quoting AMSMAN (Reply 4):
Why do they have to be numbers anyway? Be cool if they used names instead, like car manufacterers

Boeing Sleek Arrow
Boeing Air Ship
Bowing Dream Machine

Anyone else think this could work? No? Ok - I'll get my coat!

Boeing Dream Machine? I think they already used that card on Dreamliner....Notice that the better automakers don't really use names as much as numbers, like BMW 750i, Mercedes S550, Ferrari F430, Volvo S60, Porsche 911, etc.

Quoting Glom (Reply 10):

Do you imagine that the 20s will be like 90s for Boeing and the 00s for Airbus, with the other company pushing forward with new development while they hope they can make their old aircraft competitive?

Hmm, well, it looks like 787 will be selling strong for atleast a decade after launch, so atleast 2020. 777 is still selling strong over a decade after launch, and looks to keep selling for years to come. I think Boeing will keep updating their products to stay competitive. The past 5 years at Airbus have been mostly just poor management and complacency. But I swear I think angels will sing the day they let that old A300 cross section go.


They might keep the 737 moniker for the Y1 - 737-3 737-8 737-10, like with dreamliner and 747-8 .... etc. then Y3 can be 797, which will be fitting....

I'm just giddy to see what they develop for Y3



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User currently offlineLijnden From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 566 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 18731 times:
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FlyDreamliner (reply 21) wrote:

Quote:
Notice that the better automakers don't really use names as much as numbers, like BMW 750i, Mercedes S550, Ferrari F430, Volvo S60, Porsche 911, etc.



No way...

Also less perfect cars like Alfa Romeo and mainstream cars like Peugeot use numbers... What about the Porsche Cayenne, VW Touareg, Renault Twingo, Bentley Silver Spur etc.

I think it can be better said that American car maker have mostly names (Thunderbird, Explorer, Corvette, Tahoe etc.) and european and japanese car makers have both (350Z, Murano, LS400, Camry, Passat, Cayenne, 911, 607, Vito, Twingo)

As for Boeing: after the 797 we will get the 7A7, 7B7, 7C7. (like I mentioned before).



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 18631 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):

Dude, 737RS is just a development name. Do you really think Airbus will keep the name 'NSR' for the A320 replacement? Or that Boeing will produce an aircraft whose full name is "737 Replacement Study?"

No, and I didn't say that. The following idea from Dreamliner seems more likely.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21):

They might keep the 737 moniker for the Y1 - 737-3 737-8 737-10, like with dreamliner and 747-8 .... etc. then Y3 can be 797, which will be fitting....



Quoting Glom (Reply 10):

Do you imagine that the 20s will be like 90s for Boeing and the 00s for Airbus, with the other company pushing forward with new development while they hope they can make their old aircraft competitive?

I think it may be nearer to what KYAir suggests below.

Quoting KYAir (Reply 20):
I think we're currently in the equivalent to the 1956-1969 era of many new planes and advancements occurring at breakneck speed. Then, we will probably enter a time similar to the 1970s, were there was little in the way of new aircraft

After the switch to composite fuselages and bleedless electric systems, I expect a period of stability until we're ready for fully automated flying and a generation of airliners can be built without cockpits. That could be a ways off yet.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 21):
I'm just giddy to see what they develop for Y3

Don't forget that Airbus has an even greater need to develop something in this space. I expect these to be competitive and to be a big advance over the A340-600/B777-300ER/JumboJet/WhaleJet.


User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 18592 times:

I got a better idea. Get one of those lotto ball machines and whatever numbers come out that will be the name of the airplane.  Big grin

25 ODwyerPW : I wouldn't worry. The name 777 is around for a long time. Y3 could be nothing more that 777 with a composite fuselage and everything else we've learne
26 FriendlySkies : I'll throw my "vote" in for 807, 817, etc... Why? Look at history. 247. 307. 377. Except for a couple of models, every commercial Boeing airliner has
27 Post contains images Warreng24 : Boeing is going to slap 4 GE90's to a triple deck 747, and call it a B-380 Shamu-Jet.
28 Airwave : Ah, I can see it now... "Thank you for flying BlueSky Airlines' Boeing Seven Eleven Seven, nonstop service to Orlando. Now that the captain has turne
29 Zvezda : I expect Y3 to have a significantly larger exterior cross-section than the B777. I also expect Y3 will have a non-circular cross-section with height
30 Post contains images FriendlySkies : The aerodynamic advantages aren't though.
31 Steeler83 : Any ideas as to what this is or would look like, besides rediculously and insanely large???
32 Thebry : You're on to something here. I think Boeing has a lot of brand equity invested in the 7X7 naming scheme and should keep it. Their largest plane shoul
33 Glom : That's a great name. The Shamu-Jet.
34 AirCanada014 : Im thinking of 818,828,838,848,858 - 898
35 United787 : I agree, I think the the 8 series could signal a new generation of aircraft, maybe that is when the Delta Flying Wing is introduced. I think having a
36 Zvezda : True, but the aerodynamic differences between a circular B777 and a non-circular B787 are negligible. Even the highly non-circular JumboJet and Whale
37 Post contains images Tjc2 : Hopefully when it comes round to designing a 7107, 807, A420 or what ever floats your boat; we might have moved on to something bigger, better and hop
38 UALophile : After the 797, Boeing should either go to the 7107, 7117, etc., or do what they were going to do a few years ago, and start with the 2707, 2717, etc.
39 Post contains images Lehpron : Provided they hear the calling and graduate college soon. Agreed, but technically we can but it would be in vain as no one in here has that kind of i
40 Tigerotor77W : I do kind of like it, until you get into the "teens" -- 7177 "seven seventeen seven." Speaking of which, how would you say that in, say, French? (For
41 CVG2LGA : Hey! You forgot the 720. Tchau DA-
42 Post contains images YYZflyer : I agree with keeping the 7's but wouldn't Boeing run into a problem when they get to 7207,7307,7407,etc?
43 Zvezda : I argued that the shark tail was never a promise. Short a significant career change, I won't be buying one either way.
44 Post contains images COAMiG29 : who says they have to move up to 8 (808 818 828 838 848...) why not move down to 6 (606 616 626)? would you ever fly on the all new boeing 666?
45 Tockeyhockey : at this point, i doubt we will see any more numbers. from now on, we will have new 737s, new 777s, the 787 and new 747s. there are no new airplanes to
46 Lordanmol : I personally like that one, it would be easy to remember, unlike 7ten7 and so forth. Just my personal thought Hopefully no one was offended Regards A
47 Bill142 : L-1011 anyone?
48 Braybuddy : NOPE! They are running out of middle numbers! So far it hasn't been mentioned, but I would go for 7007, 7117, 7227 etc. They retain the symmetry and
49 Post contains images Aircellist : Pourquoi pas sept cent soixante-dix-sept? Quoique... Après tout, à la belge, c'est mieux: sept cent septante sept! Et sept sept sept, c'est rapide!
50 Zkpilot : I agree. Many aviation commentators and even manufacturers reps have said that we are pretty much as far along as you can get with the flying tube an
51 Post contains images OyKIE : Do you think they would keep the 737 designation? In my opinion the 797 as a 737 replacments sounds logical. I once thought that stopping at the 777,
52 AlaskaAirMD83 : The seven eleven seven!! do you get free slurpees on those? lol
53 Stitch : Well the SST's designation was 2707 (though it started as the 733), so there is precedent for Boeing to fall back on (even though the 2707 never advan
54 NA : Boeing will go to 8?8 I guess, starting with the joint 747/777-replacement around 2020. The 8 does well for the ever-growing asian market. Look at the
55 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : We simply say triple 7 or T7 UTA
56 Post contains images Azza40 : i think boeing could make like the 737-300NEW, or summit like that Aaron
57 SFO2SVO : Remember Intel? 80386, 80486, Pentium, Pentium II... I think Boeing will eventually move away from numerics to something "Pentium-like". If I remember
58 Post contains images Tigerotor77W : Fair enough. We'll have to dig up this thread in twenty years... haha
59 Tom12 : Why not just go 818, 828, 838 ..... I think it is so much easier to sa when begining and ending in the same number, i do not think it will go in to 4
60 DavidT : I like the sound of Boeing 710 Boeing Seven Ten
61 Xbraniffone : why did boeing skip the 717 number when they named the 727? you would have thought after the 707, the 727 would have been 717?
62 Texfly101 : Its my opinion that the 7XX series will run out just in time with the 737RS/Y1 which probably will be the 797. Most probably there will be a continuat
63 NEMA : Was a great era though when aircraft had names like, Comet, Caravelle, Trident etc. A bit more passionate than just a number.
64 Rampart : I know nothing of aviation marketing, but frankly, this so-called preference for naming things "8" to favor Asian buyers sounds a bit overblown. Sure
65 Lincoln : Who says they have to be decimal... Could be hex... This would give them the option of... 707, 717, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 787, 797 7A7, 7B7, 7C7, 7
66 Rampart : Let me be the first to say "WHAT?!?!?!?" Can we reuse DC-3, or Sopwith Camel, or Concorde, while we're at it? -Rampart
67 Cedars747 : Yup..we can ..like DC-3 junior and 707 junior -727 junior -737 junior....ect Alex!!!
68 Stitch : I want to say that the 717 was the internal Boeing designation for the military version of the 707. So all the KC/RC/XX-135s were 717's. Once the mil
69 Boeing7E7 : Re-number the 787 family: Narrowbody - (Same Tube, different wing and tail - not unlike 727 to 737 progression) Low Wing Family/T-Tail 727 with two en
70 Baguy : Boeing might go alpha-numeric (eg. 7A7, 7B7 etc.)
71 Superhub : Using 8X8 would appeal to Chinese customers. The Chinese would be all over the Boeing 888!
72 AAden : i go with that
73 Post contains images Thebry : I say just stick with the names as they are, no matter how radically the planes change. The plane's "series" number, if you will, sandwiched between B
74 Post contains images Azza40 : that would be a lot better Aaron
75 MtnWest1979 : How about 1707,1727,1737, etc. Then go 1707-1,-2, so on. This way, you can call it the "seventeen-oh-seven, seventeen-twenty-seven," and so forth.[Edi
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