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User currently offlineLijnden From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 565 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7901 times:
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Why are most cargo planes wide-bodies/long range planes and not B737-300/400's or MD-80's for short range?

It seems to me that most cargo airliners and also airlines like UAL, KLM and LH are skipping this segment (I know that FedEx, UPS and DHL had some 727's)

Would a low cost cargo airline like Easy Cargo or Southwest Cargo with 737's make sense?


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User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7878 times:

I think there are some 737-200 flying cargo. But in future there will be even a320 and 737NG reconfigured to cargo

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4714 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7781 times:

TNT is flying 733F, Europe Airpost is flying 733QC's...


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7734 times:

Quoting Lijnden (Thread starter):
It seems to me that most cargo airliners and also airlines like UAL, KLM and LH are skipping this segment

airlines liek UAL, KLM, LH are using the scheduled short-haul flights for smaller cargo and linehaul-trucks for bigger "aircargo" even if its transported on trucks.

Quoting Lijnden (Thread starter):
Why are most cargo planes wide-bodies/long range planes and not B737-300/400's or MD-80's for short range?

there are many cargo airplanes arround in this segment... all over the world



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User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7734 times:

I have seen many B737F's (B732F's and B733F's) and have always wondered why the A320 isn't a better option to use rather than B737's but i came up with the following ideas:

- B732's and B733's are converted to Freighter after many years of PAX service.

- The A320 fuselage shape isn't 'Bulgy' enough like a B737F. Containers don't fit in as well as a B737?

But, if the A320 Freighter is Economically possible then i can't wait to see them.

On another note, i don't know if Low-Cost freight would work. I am sure that FR has already thought of this possibility.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7711 times:

There is a metric fuckton of 727s flying as cargo planes for the shorthaul... and lots of props.

N


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7698 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 5):
There is a metric fuckton of 727s flying as cargo planes

What's that in SAE?

Anyhow, right now, isn't the Navy the biggest 737 cargo operator?



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 7664 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 4):
- The A320 fuselage shape isn't 'Bulgy' enough like a B737F. Containers don't fit in as well as a B737?

Nah. The A320 is a better fuse for cargo. You can fit containers on both decks, whereas a 737 the lower holds are bulk only.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 6):
Anyhow, right now, isn't the Navy the biggest 737 cargo operator?

New ones, for sure. They're the only operator of the 737-700C.

N


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7623 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 7):

Ohh, i never knew that. I always thought that the main deck on the B737 was fatter and could carry more pallets.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7521 times:
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Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 4):
But, if the A320 Freighter is Economically possible then i can't wait to see them.

There aren't that many older 2nd hand A320s to be had just yet. Typically, these freighters are converted from passenger service after many years of service. Once A320s start to retire from service, you may see them serve a second lifetime as a freighter.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7507 times:

I've often wondered about this myself whenever I catch Alaska or Kitty Hawk 737s in cargo configuration coming into SEA. They're certainly a rare treat.


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7502 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 7):
New ones, for sure. They're the only operator of the 737-700C.

ARAMCO has some, too.



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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 5):
metric fuckton of 727s

I was litterally rolling on the floor laughing on this one- welcome to my respected users list... ROFL!!!



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

Here's a rather unusual example that I found...


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7447 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 11):
ARAMCO has some, too.

I completely forgot about them.

N


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

Isn't part of the reason that narrowbodies see limited use as freighters is that they do not efficiently carry the LD3 cans (this is a notable shortcoming for the 767 as well)? Since cargo often has to take more than one flight, it is far more efficient to pack an LD3, transfer it from flight to flight as necessary and have it arrive at the destination. If it is a bunch of loose cartons, they are far more likely to get lost, just like your baggage.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

And don't forget Aloha's 737-200's:


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If you've never seen one of these things being loaded for an inter-island flight, you wouldn't believe the amounts of cargo these things haul.

In a sense, they are freighters that just happen to carry passengers.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7409 times:

The 737-200 is quite the successful little combi... mostly because of its engine clearance and available gravel kit.

Alaska's 737-200Cs I was convinced would live forever.

N


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7398 times:

Well the 320 is still "new" and I am sure we will see them being converted over
to freighters in the near future.

Airborne (today DHL) also has some DC9.....

Cheers,


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

here's another ...

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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7272 times:

Quoting ASAFA (Reply 19):

I'm assuming that's the first 734 to complete freighter conversion...looks great. It'll be sad to see the 732 combis go...



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User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 1):
I think there are some 737-200 flying cargo.

We have Sierra Pacific here out west hauling freight with 732's. I have seen them in TUS, BOI, and LAS. Do not know what they do or where they fly.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

Quoting ASAFA (Reply 19):
Well you will soon see many more of them.

Awesome photo!!!

I wanna see one of the QCs . . .


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4103 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 10):
I've often wondered about this myself whenever I catch Alaska or Kitty Hawk 737s in cargo configuration coming into SEA. They're certainly a rare treat.

We don't see the cargo AS planes here in PDX, but since Kitty Hawk has ramped up their operation here, and moved out of the Airtrans complex and into the South Cargo area, I've seen a cargo 737 (looks like a 733) often. Seems to alternate between a 737 and a 727.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7167 times:

Quoting Lijnden (Thread starter):
Why are most cargo planes wide-bodies/long range planes and not B737-300/400's or MD-80's for short range?

It's largely generational. The oldest 733's date from 1984+ and are being converted to cargo with increasing frequency after 20y of pax service. The oldest 734's are younger and will likely follow en masse beginning around 2010. Similar timeframe to the DC-8-61/63, 721, 722, and 752 before.

Some airframes will likely never see cargo conversion en masse:
1. The 735: too small a clearance between the engine and fwd fuselage.
2. The M80: poor LD3 compatibility.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 Post contains links and images Thomasphoto60 : Quite a few carriers use or have used the 'baby boeing' as a freight dog over the years. View Large View MediumPhoto © Thomas Millard View Large
26 Ikramerica : One thing that might hurt the A320 as a cargo plane is that it is higher off the ground than the 727/737 so that they would require higher lifting gro
27 FlyDreamliner : You'd think $65 a barrel oil prices would start to numb cargo line's taste for fuel thirsty antiquated old airliners that are all done with pax servi
28 Post contains images N730AS : Don't forget my namesake....N730AS P.S. does anyone know if A/C 730 is still in service? and if so, when is she due to be sent to the desert?
29 Columba : Lufthansa used 737-200 combis as frieighters with German Cargo and Lufthansa Cargo. They were taken out of service in the late 90s. Cargo within Germa
30 JJMNGR : VASP were flying 03 of their B732F before closing doors. There is only one B732F operating in Brazil on behalf of Rico Airlines. They operate some mai
31 Gunsontheroof : I haven't looked at PDX much, but SEA seems to see at least one AS 732 combi a day. I almost always see one on flytecomm or flightaware, and I've see
32 Post contains links Columba : EADS and Irkut signed an agreement for a joint venture company that will convert A320s into freighters. The company will be based in Russia. Link in
33 Post contains links and images Andz : Here's another one: View Large View MediumPhoto © Konstantin von Wedelstaedt
34 Post contains links and images Memphis : back in the day. . . View Large View MediumPhoto © AirNikon[Edited 2006-03-21 14:18:31]
35 Swissy : [quote=Columba,reply=33]EADS and Irkut signed an agreement for a joint venture company that will convert A320s into freighters. The company will be ba
36 Gigneil : Cargo is far less price sensitive. FedEx and UPS have both just passed their costs along in the terms of fuel surcharges. Plus, a 727F makes 1, 2, or
37 FLALEFTY : With 737-300s and 400s hitting the second-hand market in numbers, and pretty cheap. While the capital costs to convert to freighters would be signifi
38 Swissy : [quote=Gigneil,reply=37] fully concur that 737-300s and A320s would drive down fuel costs for these operators but their cost of ownership vs. their re
39 Post contains links and images PEK18R36L : And let's not forget the hard-working letter carriers over at China Postal Airlines, who are finally getting replacements to those An-24s that used to
40 Post contains links and images Viv : Here's one - Bluebird Cargo. View Large View MediumPhoto © Vivion Mulcahy
41 CalAir : The CY A320 that was scrapped not so long ago, was that airframe too old/high time to be viable as a cargo conversion?
42 Mhodgson : Jet2 have a few QC 737-300's. As do Titan; I believe both Jet2 and Titan lease/charter their aircraft to Royal Mail
43 FLALEFTY : Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is an active cargo conversion program for A320s launched yet. As for the CY A320, perhaps the
44 CptGermany : I believe LH is using their narrow-body short-haul fleet to fly mail throughout Germany during the night. IIRC, the airplanes all leave FRA for bigge
45 TheSorcerer : It's probably easier and cheaper to fly cargo into big hubs on wide bodies and then use trucks to transport them for a short journey. Dominic
46 UA777222 : Sorry if already mentioned, But isn't WN looking to cargo with their current 737 fleet as a cargo aircraft requires less skin mx which, long-term and
47 HikesWithEyes : The first 737-400 to be converted to an all freight configuration is supposed to do its first test flights today in Alabama. The 200's will be gone b
48 Post contains links and images FXMD11 : Yes, these were the old days in their early 90's. I remember that some of these 737's even had a side main frame cargo door. Ahh...the old DC-8's fro
49 2travel2know : Boeing's website says the B737-700 is available as a Cargo too, but how come not the B737-900?
50 Snaiks : CM used the 737-200 as cargo for a while, maybe they'll get a 737NG as cargo again
51 HikesWithEyes : I think 730 is due to go into retirement in the next month. A heavy check is coming due, so it will be cheaper to retire this one first.
52 AGM100 : These are 737-300 Aircraft I know are currently in cargo conversion or pending. 23930 EX USAIR (TNT) 23512 EX USAIR (TNT) 24255 EX FLYBE (Austraes) (T
53 UA777222 : Only 743 and 746 are in the desert. 743 is no longer a whole aircraft and 746 will probably be the same soon. So to answer your question, yes it is s
54 HikesWithEyes : 746 isn't in the desert. It is still flying for AS.
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