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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8169 times:

Ran across this on the web. As far as I know, it's the only video out there taken from inside the cabin with an engine fire. Anyone know any information about it?

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/people_express_747_engine_fire.htm

Thanks in advance,

UAL

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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8158 times:

It was also on a video made by a PEX 747 capt way back in the 80s, I think Sportys still sells it, since thats where I bought it.


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8143 times:

The date on the video shows the year being 1988, didn't CO take over PEX in 1987? Also, noted a service truck with CO insignia. Was this aircraft an Ex-PEX bird operated by CO at the time?

User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8143 times:

That is quite a good video. Interesting to see the Fuel Dump in operation.

Thanks
Mike

P.S. If you notice at the end of the movie when there is a cabin view, there are rearward facing seats aswell!


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8106 times:

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 2):
The date on the video shows the year being 1988, didn't CO take over PEX in 1987? Also, noted a service truck with CO insignia. Was this aircraft an Ex-PEX bird operated by CO at the time?

PEX was taken over in late 1986 and folded into CO in 1987, the video was being edited and whatnot from 1987 until early 1988 and then released straight to VHS.



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User currently offlineJlp123 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8106 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 3):
P.S. If you notice at the end of the movie when there is a cabin view, there are rearward facing seats aswell!

I believe that is an F/A jumpseat near the R4 door.


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8038 times:

Quoting Jlp123 (Reply 5):

haha, ohh right. It's just cos it looked like an older woman in her 60's or something.

Although, she is wearing a tie and looks more like an FA. Thanks..

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

Anyway to save that video into my hard disk? I'd like to share it with some co-workers at a conference.

RM  Smile



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User currently offlineFlightShadow From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 937 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 7633 times:

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/People_Express_747_Engine_Fire.wmv

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or "save link as," depending on what browser you use



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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 7405 times:
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It was a Continental flight - some PeopleExpress 747s flew for several years after the takeover in hybrid colours;

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The climb performance of the elderly 747 with one engine-out was so poor that the aircraft dissapeared behind trees on departure. ATC actually activated the crash alarm because they believed the aircraft had gone down just outside the airport.

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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
Ran across this on the web. As far as I know, it's the only video out there taken from inside the cabin with an engine fire. Anyone know any information about it?

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/people_express_747_engine_fire.htm

Thanks in advance,

Weren't there some videos and/or pictures of a DL 763 engine on fire on climbout out of ATL last year or the year before?



PHX based
User currently offlinePhilB From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

The video was taken aboard a Continental flight ex Gatwick in 1988.. The aircraft was still in PeoplExpress colours after the take over.

The aircraft took of in an almost 90 degree cross wind at the limit of its take off envelope and two engines suffered compressor stalls, one minor, which recovered, the other caused a fire and the engine continued to idle.

The amount of right wing down caused by the cross wind and loss of power on the right wing is evident.

The aircraft barely managed to clear Russ Hill at the end of the Gatwick runway.

Once stable flight was established a turn was made and the aircraft dumped fuel off Worthing, over the English Channel but, because power was much reduced, the crew elected to return quickly and the aircraft made an overweight landing.

AAR No. 4/89 (EW/C1059) refers

[Edited 2006-03-21 16:26:41]

User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Phil B - Didn't the Captain go from 'hero to zero' as he was blamed for taking off in such poor conditions? T.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5031 times:

I'd be glad he brought the plane back after a mistake. I've heard thoughthat PEX didnt maintain their 747's quite that good and a lot of systems were always faulty.


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

The captain was severly criticised for taking off outside the aircraft design limits. As for PE maintenance, as the aircraft had been owned and operated by Continental they, and they alone, were responsible for the maintenance, the state of the aircraft and the captain's training.

As for PE flying with faults - ever heard of a minimum equipment list?


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

That was one helluva cross wind. You can tell this and the fact they had one, and possibly two engines out on the right side, really made the pilot pull a hard left after the wing dipped to the right, to the point of over-correction. I wish the video was clearer.

UAL


User currently offlinePresRDC From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 652 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 1):
It was also on a video made by a PEX 747 capt way back in the 80s, I think Sportys still sells it, since thats where I bought it.

I have that video and the sequence with the engine fire is not from that video. That video, called "A 747 Pilot's Eye View Video" featured two parts. The first was a montage of scenes from 747 flight decks, cabins and air-to-air shots set the music. The second is a series of t/os or landings with flight deck audio and ATC. Each t/o or landing featured a specific problem the crew had to deal with, including landing into the setting sun at LAX, a faulty EPR gauge in OAK and a brake overheat on arrival to LGW.

The captain who made the video was Paul Havis. He did at least one other video on the Concorde from the flightdeck, which is a much higher quality video. He went to CO when PE was taken over by CO. I'm sure he is retired now.

These videos were done at least five years before Just Planes started their video series.


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