Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4163 times:
It stopped in Manchester on its delivery flight to operate the Karachi flight, so yes, it's in service.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4121 times:
yes...it has a 3x/weekly fight....
either YYZ-KHI, YYZ-LHE-KHI, YYZ-ISB-KHI.......depends on the day of the week..
the Chairman of PK is going to Seattle with a full crew to pick the 2nd one up...
either YYZ-KHI, YYZ-LHE-KHI, YYZ-ISB-KHI.......depends on the day of the week..
the Chairman of PK is going to Seattle with a full crew to pick the 2nd one up...
that will be flying JFK-Pakistan..........
Intresting that PIA flew their first 777LR to YYZ instead of JFK? I would have imagined that JFK would be more symbolic and more demand route than YYZ.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3952 times:
Quoting Planetime (Reply 4): Intresting that PIA flew their first 777LR to YYZ instead of JFK? I would have imagined that JFK would be more symbolic and more demand route than YYZ.
I would have thought the same thing also..JFK-Pakistan is an important route for PK...there are some on other message boards who are claiming that the nonstop service isn't doing well with loads between 40-60% (PK is overpricing their nonstop service)...which isn't all that bad this time of the season, not to mention, some of the prices versus EK, GF,etc. are maybe Canadian $150..which is nothing, even for price conscientious Pakistanis.......no connection,no hassles..etc.
AIRCANL1011 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 262 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3582 times:
Quoting Planetime (Reply 4): Intresting that PIA flew their first 777LR to YYZ instead of JFK? I would have imagined that JFK would be more symbolic and more demand route than YYZ.
You obviously are unaware of the huge Pakistani population in the Toronto area. The cities of Brampton and Mississauga that surround YYZ are very ethnically populated to say the least.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3524 times:
Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 10): You obviously are unaware of the huge Pakistani population in the Toronto area. The cities of Brampton and Mississauga that surround YYZ are very ethnically populated to say the least.
so is the NYC-area also......very large Pakistani population....try checking out "Pakistan Day" in NYC........HUGE!!!
Dalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3506 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11): Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 10):
You obviously are unaware of the huge Pakistani population in the Toronto area. The cities of Brampton and Mississauga that surround YYZ are very ethnically populated to say the least.
so is the NYC-area also......very large Pakistani population....try checking out "Pakistan Day" in NYC........HUGE!!!
Don't they also send a 777 to Houston? Is there a large Pakistani population in Houston also?
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Planetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3491 times:
Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 10): You obviously are unaware of the huge Pakistani population in the Toronto area. The cities of Brampton and Mississauga that surround YYZ are very ethnically populated to say the least.
I have been there but and it is a large community. But according to stats in NYC, Brooklyn one area of it has a pakistani population of 150,000 pakistanis. That is in one borough. Imagine the other 4 bouroghs. I believe JFK is in Queens which has a very strong pakistani population.
All I am saying it is to send it to JFK would make more sense.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3452 times:
Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 12): Don't they also send a 777 to Houston? Is there a large Pakistani population in Houston also?
yes...but certainly not as large, hence the 1x/weekly flight
Quoting Planetime (Reply 13):
I have been there but and it is a large community. But according to stats in NYC, Brooklyn one area of it has a pakistani population of 150,000 pakistanis. That is in one borough. Imagine the other 4 bouroghs. I believe JFK is in Queens which has a very strong pakistani population.
Jackson Heights has a nice Pakistani population, as well as LGA area......
when I was living in Manhattan, and went for Pakistan Day, I couldn't believe the sheer number of Pakistanis there (ok, some were probably Indian also, but 90% were certainly of Pakistani origin)
Planetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3378 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14): when I was living in Manhattan, and went for Pakistan Day, I couldn't believe the sheer number of Pakistanis there (ok, some were probably Indian also, but 90% were certainly of Pakistani origin)
Yeah it is amazing to see the cultural parades in NY, always something I look forward when visiting NY. Now NY has exceeded in terms of population (western nations) in of South Asians that cities in England (Manchester,Birminghan and London) that many south Asians settled for over a century. It is quite amzing.
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14): Jackson Heights has a nice Pakistani population
That is another nice place to visit also. Once I got out of the subway I could smell my way to the main bazaaar area. Food is goooooood there and real cheap. Reminds me of South Hall in UK. Also I had the luck of visiting Brooklyn (midwood section) Coney Island Ave with a Pakistani friend of mine in NY. I felt like if it was Pakistan as there was people in traditional Salwar Kameez and signs in Urdu all over the place, and traditional Pakistani music all over the place, never seen anything that sheer size in UK or US or Singapore or Australia. Amazing and very nice food there also.
Getting back to EK I heard one of the reasons the 2nd flight was opened so fast was to accomodate the Pakistani natives unable to connect in Dubai. I am sure with all that amount of S. Asians EK can fill up a Whalejet. But then again you got to look at fuel burn and etc.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
Quoting Planetime (Reply 15): Now NY has exceeded in terms of population (western nations) in of South Asians that cities in England (Manchester,Birminghan and London) that many south Asians settled for over a century. It is quite amzing.
I knew it was big, but I didn't think it has grown that large.
California has a huge Pakistani population, but its a bit spread out, however, the LAX-basin area has a large Pakistani population......hence PK starting services to LAX soon.....
lol...there are Pakistani's everywhere in the London area, South Hall, Slough, Uxbridge, Hayes, etc....then on the East End also....
Quoting Planetime (Reply 15): Getting back to EK I heard one of the reasons the 2nd flight was opened so fast was to accomodate the Pakistani natives unable to connect in Dubai. I am sure with all that amount of S. Asians EK can fill up a Whalejet. But then again you got to look at fuel burn and etc.
EK does have efficient-one stop services to Pakistan, but PK offers nonstop with no plane changes so aunties and uncles don't have to worry too much.......
EK is a force to deal with...they have their act together......
that being said, PK's business class is very cheap also..so it does well out of JFK.....
the biggest problem with PK is their lack of advertising...they need to advertise more...
I know Pakistani's who live in Houston and didn't even know PK serves their city...
Planetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3309 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16): I knew it was big, but I didn't think it has grown that large.
Yeah The whole South Asian population exploded during the dot com boom, close to 3 folds in the US. just alone I read that the Indian Population in US grew close to 2 million during this time.
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16): California has a huge Pakistani population, but its a bit spread out, however, the LAX-basin area has a large Pakistani population......hence PK starting services to LAX soon
I see most of LA/California is more spread out as compare to Northern cities in US. Can anyone recommend any good Pakistani/S.Asian restaurants in the LAX area? Will be there for a couple of days and being from Singapore I would like to spice up my tastebuds.
Congrats on PIA starting service to LAX!!! Will be nice to see them there along with the other widebodies. Will be operating via China right? I am guessing that a 777-200ER will be on that route, will it be a 3X a week or more?
I am sure PIA will do very well on that route as the expat community is there to support it, is it larger in LA or SF area the population. I heard LA throughout the forums but the dot com boom really helped the Bay Area.
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16): EK does have efficient-one stop services to Pakistan, but PK offers nonstop with no plane changes so aunties and uncles don't have to worry too much
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3304 times:
Quoting Planetime (Reply 17):
I see most of LA/California is more spread out as compare to Northern cities in US. Can anyone recommend any good Pakistani/S.Asian restaurants in the LAX area? Will be there for a couple of days and being from Singapore I would like to spice up my tastebuds.
hmmm..interesting....I didn't know that..
unfortunately, I can't help you on the restaurant end...
Quoting Planetime (Reply 17): Congrats on PIA starting service to LAX!!! Will be nice to see them there along with the other widebodies. Will be operating via China right? I am guessing that a 777-200ER will be on that route, will it be a 3X a week or more?
they haven't started it yet, but lots of rumours about sometime over the summer.....
Quoting Planetime (Reply 17): I am sure PIA will do very well on that route as the expat community is there to support it, is it larger in LA or SF area the population. I heard LA throughout the forums but the dot com boom really helped the Bay Area.
I think PK would do ok over in LAX....but with SQ starting Pakistan services again, its going to be interesting...also, I think the route will be over the Pacific via one of their 5th freedom rights city....
however, LAX-MAN-Pakistan would be just as efficient as LAX-Asia-Pakistan (actually shorter too)
I think the dot.com era helped Indians more than Pakistanis.....I would think there are much more Pakistanis in so-cal than no-cal..
Well one more monday flight and guess what PIA serves JFK daily!
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18): I think PK would do ok over in LAX....but with SQ starting Pakistan services again, its going to be interesting...also, I think the route will be over the Pacific via one of their 5th freedom rights city....
Yes SQ starting their Pakistani Operations will make it intresting, although I would imagine most non-airliners oriented Pakistanis will prefer to travel PIA. As lots of SQ's flight to California especially I have seen IN SIN have been connecting from Indian Expats... so I would imagine its the same case should happen with Pakistanis, but we have to wait and see for that.
Well if no Pakistani restaurant's there then I will have to eat at In and Out......oh bummer!
Dalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3261 times:
Quoting Glom (Reply 19): Is KHI-JFK really that far away that it needs a 772LR?
Only 6320nm, which is well within the range of the 772ER. Maybe the 772LR gives that route paylood capabilities that the 772ER can not. Any insight on this?
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Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3248 times:
Quoting Glom (Reply 19):
Is KHI-JFK really that far away that it needs a 772LR?
Any KHI locals got any photos for us?
Quoting Dalb777 (Reply 21):
Only 6320nm, which is well within the range of the 772ER. Maybe the 772LR gives that route paylood capabilities that the 772ER can not. Any insight on this?
according to the Chairman of PK, the 777-200LR will offer between 15-20% better economics over the -200ER......
though the PK's -200LR don't have the extra tanks, the -200LR still has a higher MTOW than the -200ER, which would allow them possibly more freight and/or pax....
AIRCANL1011 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 262 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3245 times:
quote=Jacobin777,reply=11]so is the NYC-area also......very large Pakistani population....try checking out "Pakistan Day" in NYC........HUGE[/quote]
I didn't mean to be offensive, I was just stating that there is a large population here as well. I have to be honest, I did not realize that there were that many Pakistani people living in the NYC area.
I would guess that PIA put the 777-200LR on the YYZ route for a reason, but it obvoiusly was not due to the population factor.
Planetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3219 times:
Quoting AIRCANL1011 (Reply 23): I didn't mean to be offensive, I was just stating that there is a large population here as well. I have to be honest, I did not realize that there were that many Pakistani people living in the NYC area.
I would guess that PIA put the 777-200LR on the YYZ route for a reason, but it obvoiusly was not due to the population factor.
Yes there is a huge amount over there in NY. Probably most in expat Pakistani Community, now surpassing traditional english cities where pakistani population is large. As I mentioned earlier one section of the borough of Brooklyn has a population of 125,000-150,000 pakistanis. And there are still 4 other boroughs. Check out the 3rd article:
I study ethnic populations and especially S.Asians for my line of work in route development in US/Europe/Australia/ to Indian Subcontinent.
25 Jacobin777: none taken whatsoever. yes...the NYC Pakistani population is rather large...don't forget, lots of it is Jersey also....... I'm a bit curious as to wh
26 MalpensaSFO: Funny, the information I got was from the PIA website..... In addition The Karachi flight on Tuesday, will also be the only day where PIA will have a
27 Planetime: Jacobin there will be a Tuesday flight direct to Lahore. Just verified with their schedule. Here is a random Tuesday I put in during the summer on th
28 Jacobin777: ahh..I see what you are saying... I guess I stand corrected and MalpensaSFO is correct.. I was only checking JFK-KHI flights, and no separate JFK-LHE
29 Planetime: While back I heard that IAH was going to receive the first 777-200LR how come that never materialized? How about ORD will they receive any LR's or wil
30 Clickhappy: Here is the second 772LR, is it a new CS or tail art? http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/DSC_0589_AP-BGZ.jpg
31 Jacobin777: " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...Z.jpg probably going to be repainted once it gets to Pakistan... it was orginally inteded for I
32 Planetime: I remember way back when the order was put in for the 777's, I could of sworn that the 777W were going to replace 743's but going by PIA's agressive
33 Jacobin777: agree completely, those 742's, even the 743's are in bad condition........I also thought the 777-300ER's were to replace some of their decrepit older
34 Planetime: sounds a little far fetched but you never know. I see that they could be an all 777 operator as far as their widebodies goes. I think they order more
35 Scotland1979: YYZ is a perfect place for PIA 772LR rather than JFK. Why? They must be Leaf fans (sorry Rangers/Islanders)
36 Olympus69: I would have thought the reason was obvious. They can't service JFK with only one plane, but they can do YYZ's 3x weekly with one.
37 Planetime: Yes JFK they will also fly their 747's in also on the other days when the 777LR is not available.
38 Jacobin777: yes...mea culpa...I didn't add the additional flight in...i stand corrected.. thats what I was mentioning above, I think they will fly to LAX via an
39 Planetime: Are you saying there will be 2 flights that day,on Tuesday? PIA website has not updated that if so, but then again they are kinda slow with that over
40 Jacobin777: .can't trust those darn Pakistanis with anything (oh, wait, I'm one too..hehe).. on a serious note, it doesn't make too much sense to me either....wh
41 Planetime: wow 2 combis to JFK. Thats really horrible would have imagined it be at least a 743. What is the total # of passengers that they hold. PIA website wa
42 Jacobin777: my cousin flew out of JFK with PK a few months ago, he hated flying out with the 747M, but he returned on the 777 and loved it, he didn't even know w
43 Planetime: Might be even good year round as the 743's are doing NY now mostly, with help from a 777 and 74M . Might even be able to do nonstop just like EK will
44 Jacobin777: How about sending it to the Arizona desert instead.. absolutely be able to do it it from Pakistan year round......
45 Planetime: Good Idea! I think in order for PIA to compete with other airlines in their neighborhood they need a massive fleet upgrade on top of what they have,
46 Jacobin777: I think it will be out of the blue.....they certainly love their Boeings....I would love to see an order for a couple of 747-8's and some 787's......
47 Planetime: 787's are an intresting possibilty to replace their 310's. 747-8's will definitely be good for LHR,JFK and other high density routes. Will look great
48 Planetime: what sort of engines would PIA look for in the leasing 744's
49 Jacobin777: they have the JTD's on their rustbuckets..but given that their 777's have all GE's , not to mention the CFM's on their 737's, I would say GE would pr
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