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Why Do Boeing And Airbus Need So Many Planes?  
User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5935 times:

It seems like Boeing and Airbus alike are trying to one up each other in every market and even creating new markets.

For example with Boeing: 787-2 3 4 6 5 10 88 29 and 45 (im over exagerating here btw) They feel the need to create an aircraft to fill every capacity hole out there.

Airbus with the A350 is trying to compete 1 for 1 with Boeing too, with the two A350 models.

Why can't both companies co exist together like they did last decade?

Both companies are way to worried about the other competitor and one upping them. What ever happen to the model, just build an aircraft that will sell.

I mean seriously, boeing and airbus both are trying to make an aircraft for every number capacity possible. In the future will they both have an aircraft for 100 seaters, 101 seaters, and so on?

I find it almost ridiculous now.

There should be short haul, long haul medium size, then long haul big size like 300+ and then 400+ thats all.

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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):
Why can't both companies co exist together like they did last decade?

Uh, they are. They have always been competitors trying to one-up the other. Look at the a320. Boeing saw it was a huge threat to the 737, and produced the 737NG. Also the same class. The a330 was meant to compete with the 767, together with the a300/a310. Granted, there was no a343 competitor at Boeing at the time, but there was the DC10/MD11, that was Airbus' focus with the a343. The 777 arrived shortly after those aircraft, again in the same category.
That's the whole point of competition.

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):
What ever happen to the model, just build an aircraft that will sell.

That's what they do. They do market research and build a plane to the needs of the market. It's no coincidence that the competing models are in the same class (usually)



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):
Why can't both companies co exist together like they did last decade?

Both companies are way to worried about the other competitor and one upping them. What ever happen to the model, just build an aircraft that will sell.

You're one of these managed-economy types, aren't you? Are you seriously suggesting that Boeing and Airbus collude to divvy the market 50/50? That helps nobody. Laissez-faire is the rule of the day here. What makes you think competition was any less intense then?



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User currently offline787engineer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):

I mean seriously, boeing and airbus both are trying to make an aircraft for every number capacity possible. In the future will they both have an aircraft for 100 seaters, 101 seaters, and so on?

I don't really see this happening, if anything Boeing is reducing their lineup slightly. In the early 90s Boeing had 737s, 747s, 757s and 767s, right?. Now their target is Y1, Y2, Y3. That's one less fuselage type. It appears there are more derivatives for the 787 -8/-3/-9/-10, but I see that as a direct result of decreasing the # of different airframes, that span the same # of seats. Also, it is now easier than ever to create efficient derivatives due to advances in computer technology and software. Thus, A and B are more capable of offering "niche-market" airplanes suited to the large airlines' needs.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3609 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

It's called competition and the free world market.

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):
Why can't both companies co exist together like they did last decade?

They do.

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):
Both companies are way to worried about the other competitor and one upping them. What ever happen to the model, just build an aircraft that will sell.

Again, it's called competition.

Quoting Wdleiser (Thread starter):
I mean seriously, boeing and airbus both are trying to make an aircraft for every number capacity possible. In the future will they both have an aircraft for 100 seaters, 101 seaters, and so on?

I find it almost ridiculous now.

No offense intended, but I find your exagerrations a little ridiculous. If the market is segmented as such, why wouldn't B or A serve that segment/niche? If a number of customers demand a ~100 pax airliner, ala 717, then why wouldn't B or A fill that niche?



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User currently offlineGrude1087 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

Quoting 787engineer (Reply 3):
don't really see this happening, if anything Boeing is reducing their lineup slightly. In the early 90s Boeing had 737s, 747s, 757s and 767s, right?. Now their target is Y1, Y2, Y3.

Is there a website that describes the Y1, Y2 and Y3 in more detail? I'm not familiar with those codes.  eyebrow 


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5544 times:

Why do Boeing and Airbus Need So Many Planes?

Why do GM and Ford have so many different model automobiles?

The answer is making enough different product to attract as many customers (and give the customers more options to fill their needs the best) as possible. The two are very competitive and each must do what's necessary to distinguish themselves as superior to the other. It's basic business 101.


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Think what the world would be like if you only have Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola...

after a while it becomes boring.

Hence Cherry Coke, Diet Coke, Tab Clear, and for us lucky in the UK... TANGO.

fyi useless fact.. most of the time you drink a can of coke/pepsi chances it at some point it was a 707, 727 etc..



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User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Airbus and Boeing build and sell so many different models, with so many different options, just to keep us aviation enthusiasts busy and happy.

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5346 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 6):

The answer is making enough different product to attract as many customers (and give the customers more options to fill their needs the best) as possible. The two are very competitive and each must do what's necessary to distinguish themselves as superior to the other. It's basic business 101.

In other words, they just want to make more money. Not necessarely more money than their competitor, but the competitor gets in the way of that goal. Simple as that and nothing wrong with it. As a matter of fact, it's a good thing for everyone.

Cheers



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 6):
Why do Boeing and Airbus Need So Many Planes?

Why do GM and Ford have so many different model automobiles?

The answer is making enough different product to attract as many customers (and give the customers more options to fill their needs the best) as possible. The two are very competitive and each must do what's necessary to distinguish themselves as superior to the other. It's basic business 101.

Look at their situiation though. They are both in extremely bad positions right now.


User currently offline787engineer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5153 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 10):
Look at their situiation though. They are both in extremely bad positions right now.

Nice shot at GM and Ford but I think you miss the point. Why does Honda build a Civic AND an Accord. Why don't they just build one that in between the two? Because from experience and market forcees there's a strong demand for those two car sizes. The same goes for airplanes. The 787 can carry 210-330 passengers through three derivatives (not counting the -10). The actual specific seat count is up to the airlines. An airline can always add or take away a seat in any aircraft they order; there will never be a specific model for 220 passengers and another for 221, that's ridiculous.


User currently offlineMBJ2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

There's a "small" difference, GM and Ford don't hold together about 90% of the car market  Wink

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 10):
Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 6):
Why do Boeing and Airbus Need So Many Planes?

Why do GM and Ford have so many different model automobiles?

The answer is making enough different product to attract as many customers (and give the customers more options to fill their needs the best) as possible. The two are very competitive and each must do what's necessary to distinguish themselves as superior to the other. It's basic business 101.

Look at their situiation though. They are both in extremely bad positions right now.



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