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Is JetBlue Happy With Boston?  
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4118 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Before jetBlue decided to serve Boston, the hope was that they'd come here to MHT. Water over the dam, so nothing gained by complaining. But I was wondering whether any of the insiders at B6 have anything to say--good or bad--about the decision. For example, dealing with Logan is likely to eat up more fuel because of conga lines outbound and holding patterns inbound.

Anyway, it seems as though the whole thing is going well since B6 continues to expand at Logan. But with B6 losing money and rumors that the Boston routes are specifically losing money (not substantiated by me, just heard it mentioned) leads me to wonder if any 'second guessing' is going on? Massport has a big appetite for money, and their increased landing fees (which they claim the airlines will just 'eat' rather than pass on to passengers) will be just another drain on jetBlue's finances.

As an aside, I'm thrilled that jetBlue is going to Portland, Maine. I hope the route works very well for them, and one indication of that will be whether the A320s stay on after Labor Day. Even if B6 downgrades to a mix of A320s and 190s after Labor Day while maintaining four daily circuits, I will consider that success. Very good news for PWM; a market sorely in need of a LCC 'White Knight.'

Chris in NH

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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

I would assume that with the amount of gates we have plus the amount we are getting, we're happy with Boston. Also, BOS becomes an Inflight and Pilot Crew Base on June 1st. But, I see your point.

Loads are great for us out of BOS (I know loads arent a good indication of how a flight performs)


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

From everything that I gather we are quite happy with BOS. Obviously it was expected to have the possibility of delays both inbound and outbound. We watch our fuel if there are outbound problems by doing single-engine taxi. Obviously our expansion indicates that we want BOS to succeed. In fact, I just saw on a website (http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2006/03/20/jetblue_ranks_1st_northwest_last_in_logan_on_time_rate/) that we came in first for on-time performance at BOS...which is interesting considering the JFK-BOS routes. If JFK gets hit with weather, chances are BOS is too and everything gets gummed up. Now, I don't have the stats in front of me for route profitability, but if a route is not doing well for an extended period of time, I doubt that we would keep it. Luckily, if demand drops for a route that can be serviced by the E190, we can switch up the a/c type flying that route. But, that is just my  twocents 


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

B6's coming to BOS (after one or two prior rejections) and passing over MHT sounds similar to WN choosing PHL over ABE.


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User currently offlineBigdrewfl From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

I believe Jetblue is very happy with their BOSTON decision.... An article Just came out saying that we have the BEST ONTIME performance in BOS!!! Not bad for an Airline that has the worst on time performance in the Nation!!! Jetblue is Extremely committed to the BOS People because unbeknown to the general public Jetblue Just announced that they will be opening up a BOS Base starting in on June 1st And as they have said previously they are aiming at becoming BOS Home Town Airline.

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

Great to hear! I just hope you guys fight back against those crooks at Massport. Like I said, they have a huge appetite for $$$ (check out how many people at Massport make six-figure salaries) and I think it is pretty unfair to be trying to extort that off the backs of financially weak airlines in a financially weak industry. Now that they 'have' jetBlue, make sure Massport holds to the things/promises that lured them there in the first place.

User currently offlineJetboy319 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

I can almost put money on the fact that after B6 makes a huge investment in BOS (more gates, crew domicile, more flights etc.) Massport will also see the "investment" and will likely raise the operating costs in any capacity they can. They have B6 on the hook right now and are reeling them in.

User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):

Of course a post like this would come from you... lol...

Boston is a key market for JetBlue and its worth ever penney it pays Massport... Instead of being so negative all the time about BOS, why don't you take a stroll over to there and see it for yourself... it's amazing to say the least to see all those blue tails everywhere!



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User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 6):
I can almost put money on the fact that after B6 makes a huge investment in BOS (more gates, crew domicile, more flights etc.) Massport will also see the "investment" and will likely raise the operating costs in any capacity they can. They have B6 on the hook right now and are reeling them in.

Can't the airline on the other hand close the hub
and the airport loses out if it gets too expensive for the
airline to operate? Look at PIT...no longer a true US hub.
Is PIT better off with less rent and more open gates?


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8384 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 5):
check out how many people at Massport make six-figure salaries

A six-figure salary this side of the border is not that unusual. In Boston especially it's prett much a middle class salary.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting WDBRR (Reply 8):
Is PIT better off with less rent and more open gates?

I would say yes, as they are going to go out and give airlines who start new service breaks and incentives to do so. In my opinion, I rank US at the very bottom of the legacy carriers, it is sad to see PIT be dismantled, out of the hub airports for US, PIT is hands down the best, and one of the nicer airports in the country.



B6 has to be happy with BOS, as they continue to expand, which is a great thing. They offer a great product with good fares, and they have made serious gains in BOS, look at AA for example and the cuts they have made out of BOS. I hope B6 starts up a daily MSY flight to compensate for AA not restarting it after Katrina.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 9):
A six-figure salary this side of the border is not that unusual. In Boston especially it's prett much a middle class salary.

When you consider that Bostonians are amongst the highest paid in the nation, and are in the very top tier of amount of disposable income, it makes sense.


User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

With the amount of flights we are adding out of there and the fact that BOS is turning into a crew base something has to be going right there. I just got off a trip that had a BOS layover and a couple of BOS turns and the only problem that we ran into was the TSA was behind on screening the checked luggage so we took a 10minute delay waiting for the last of the check luggage.

I've been thinking about transfering to the BOS base from JFK but I think that i'm going to hold off for a bit.



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