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Is It Safe To Fly A 737-200?  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13752 times:

Is it safe in 2006 to fly a plane built 35 years ago?

[Edited 2006-03-21 22:39:52]


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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13749 times:

Yes. As long as it's been maintained correctly. Do you mean 2006?
In hindsight, there would have been a few flights I would have wanted to miss in 2005. But it's always easy in hindsight.

You still see aircraft from WW1 and WW2 flying without problems, too.

Edit: You edited your post, I'll just leave mine  

[Edited 2006-03-21 22:51:57]

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4683 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13733 times:

It completely depends on the airline.

Delta ? Sure it´s safe.

Some Nigerian newcomer airline which already had a crash ? Not so sure about the safety anymore.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13733 times:

Hell yeeah it is. Just like A319XFW mentioned, it is safe as long as the aircraft has been maintained correctly. Now, if it is in Nigeria (no pun intended), too many incidents lately with older planes. Heck, USAF C-5's are just as old and reliable like no other transport airplane.

User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13678 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1):
Yes. As long as it's been maintained correctly. Do you mean 2006?

What about NW DC9's?

and what about the super constellation I flew last august ?I think maintainance is the key



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User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13628 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1):
Yes. As long as it's been maintained correctly.



Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 3):
it is safe as long as the aircraft has been maintained correctly.



Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
I think maintainance is the key

MX is a big part of it, but the MX is driven by the regulations put forth by the governing aeronautical agency of that country. So the real question here would be...where are you flying this 732?  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 803 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13584 times:

Given the fact that modern aircraft are installed with systems such as TCAS, I would of thought that it'd be safe to assume that modern aircraft are typically safer than older aircraft. Obviously, that does not necessarily mean to say that older aircraft are "unsafe".

I guess the same applies with cars. As technology advances, they become safer. For instance, a BMW 320 built in 2006 will be safer than a BMW 320 manufactured in the 1990's due to the fact that many structural and system enhancements/technologies have been implemented in newer designs.

Anyway, I'd fly on a 737-200 with a reputable airline any day.


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13526 times:

Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):
Is it safe in 2006 to fly a plane built 35 years ago?

As others mentioned, if given the proper maintenance, I say YES. On the other hand, how many -200s operative today are actually 35 years old? Not that many. Also remember that the -200s production ended in 1988. Some are newer than MDs or Airbuses out there!

Quoting RichM (Reply 6):
Given the fact that modern aircraft are installed with systems such as TCAS, I would of thought that it'd be safe to assume that modern aircraft are typically safer than older aircraft. Obviously, that does not necessarily mean to say that older aircraft are "unsafe".

But remember that in order to fly in the same airspace as those more modern aircraft, the operators need to comply with REGULATIONS.

Regs demand the installation of the equipment found in new aircraft. I, for example, fly 737-200s in Mexico and the US equipped with TCAS, EGPWS, GPS, AT, PMS, approved for RVSM and all the other letters you can imagine. Some are even fitted with LCD screens-EFIS. Flying them is absolutely a delight.

To wrap this up, it depends on the region and the type of operation that they are used for.

A342, TinkerBelle, RootsAir and specially B6JFKH81 are awfully RIGHT.

RM  Smile



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineN730AS From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 126 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13302 times:

I have flown on Alaska's 737-200s plenty of times, in sub-zero weather (-40F). I am quite certain that they are a reliable aircraft, to have been operated for such a long time (35+ years), and to not freeze up like its DC-9 counterpart.


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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13302 times:

Last 732 flights I had was with FR. Although worn out and noisy they seemed as safe as their recent 738 counterparts.

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13266 times:

This is one of the FAQ in this forum.
Some of the others:
When will NW retire their DC9s?
Why don't LH put PTVs in their Y class?


User currently offlineN730AS From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 126 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13252 times:

when will NW retire their DC9s???......only kidding  Wink


N730AS (s/n 22577) 737-290C Registered Jun-29-1981
User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13242 times:

Yes it is safe. If it is not safe, a country with high standard of regulation will not allow it to fly.

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 10):
This is one of the FAQ in this forum.
Some of the others:
When will NW retire their DC9s?
Why don't LH put PTVs in their Y class?

Why do EZ's A319s have two overwing doors?


User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13237 times:

According to the instructor from Ryanair as seen on Dispatches, the 737-200 is VERY dangerous if you sit in 1A !  Wow!

Something about a piece of metal impaling a pax on impact...  old   redflag 

(Man that was an awful statement she made...)



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13150 times:

Quoting RichM (Reply 6):
Given the fact that modern aircraft are installed with systems such as TCAS, I would of thought that it'd be safe to assume that modern aircraft are typically safer than older aircraft. Obviously, that does not necessarily mean to say that older aircraft are "unsafe".

Can't those older aircraft be retrofitted with some kind of TCAS system?

Quoting Superhub (Reply 12):
Quoting Afterburner (Reply 10):
This is one of the FAQ in this forum.
Some of the others:
When will NW retire their DC9s?
Why don't LH put PTVs in their Y class?

Why do EZ's A319s have two overwing doors?

And also:
Why doesn't IB have better service overall and PTVs in Economy?  Wink


User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13136 times:

Quoting RichM (Reply 6):
I guess the same applies with cars. As technology advances, they become safer. For instance, a BMW 320 built in 2006 will be safer than a BMW 320 manufactured in the 1990's due to the fact that many structural and system enhancements/technologies have been implemented in newer designs.

I don´t think you can compare planes to cars here though. A car of today is way safer than one 10-15 years old in the event that you have an accident with it. Deformation zones, airbags etc makes a new car much safer than an old one, i´m not sure that the same applies to planes. A flying tube (fuselage) of yesterday will be pretty much as dangerous to crash in as one of today.

Just my €0.02


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13129 times:

If its been flying for 35 years there doesnt appear to be much wrong with it.

It's flying on a planes first flight i'm more worried about.



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13091 times:

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 13):
According to the instructor from Ryanair as seen on Dispatches, the 737-200 is VERY dangerous if you sit in 1A !

To be accurate...

The applicants are trained by a company contracted by FR - so the instructor does not work for FR.



I don't like signatures...
User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13057 times:

Why not as long as maintenance is regularly made ? But...i took an old Turkish B734 in summer and i worried a bit about security.

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13052 times:
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I'm flying on one tomorrow and I have no qualms about it.

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 1):
You still see aircraft from WW1 and WW2 flying without problems, too

My wife is a flight attendant on DC-4s and she flies on them without a second thought, they are meticulously maintained and are very reliable.



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13022 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 19):
My wife is a flight attendant on DC-4s

Where can passengers fly on a DC4 ?



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 12922 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 12):
Why do EZ's A319s have two overwing doors?

It has to do with the number of seats installed for safe evacuation... I guess they wanted to cram as many seats as possible, but still get the fuel economy of an A319. ::Shrugs::


User currently offlineDELTA762 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12871 times:

I hope the DL 737-200 is safe because I am flying ATL-MOB on 5/6. Glad I selected seat 1D so I do not get hit by a large piece of metal.

Delta762


User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12865 times:

Yes. I flew in one a few months ago, and survived.


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User currently offlineHBIHLtoEZE From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12379 times:

Every airplane in the Western World is safe. Regulations are strict.

Every accident has helped to prevent similar occurrences.

However, some 737-200s (and any other aircraft) in countries where regulations and maintenance can be bought by bribes might be dangeruos to fly on, indeed.

My worst experience was on a Aerocontinente 737-200 from UIO to LIM (and back, too) in 2002. It looked and sounded as if it was to disintegrate...
One year after the flights it was written off in a landing accident in LIM:


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Photo © Orlando Beaumont




Age only becomes dangerous if the maintenance is neglected.

Cheers



Our battered suitcases were piled on the sidewalk again; we had longer ways to go. But no matter, the road is life.
25 Post contains images DeltaGuy767 : I had a funny experience on a DL 732 flying from CVG to BDL. The weather at BDL was really scuzzy with plenty of fog and low clouds and precip. One of
26 Rolfen : New aircrafts are prone to bugs and fabrication defects. Old aircrafts, no matter how well maintained, become less reliable with time. It's just commo
27 YZFOO7F : Even though the 732 might be old, I still quite enjoy the ride, aside from it being a little noisy. First Air just aquired two newer 732's (C-GCPT, C-
28 FlyDreamliner : They have one of the best safety reccords of any airline's fleet of aircraft currently flying. NW'w DC-9s are reliable, comfortable, fairly modern, a
29 TinkerBelle : This is probably the wrong thread for this discussion but it doesn't matter whether she's contacted or not, she represent's FR in that training.
30 MTY2GVA : It may be a wrong way of thinking, but honestly I avoid them when possible. IActually having MTY as my hometown for some time I avoided Aviacsa always
31 Post contains links and images SA006 : SAA Historic Flights in South Africa. View Large View MediumPhoto © Zak Economides -SA006
32 Post contains links Andz : Way to plug your pic Zak! http://www.historicflight.co.za/
33 CP744 : FYI......C-GCPT was built in '81 for CP Air and C-FACP was built '79 for Maersk Air and found it's way to CP in '85. Cheers, Bill
34 Post contains links JoeCattoli : http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2651937 http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2403695 ht
35 Post contains images Fly727 : Most probably is that the neither the crew or the aircraft were certified for CAT III Ops. RM
36 TakeOff : Speaking of the 737-200, I noticed that some of them have a wire running from about the middle of the fuselage to the tail. What's that for? Hold the
37 Andz : As far as I know it is an antenna.
38 Post contains links and images YULWinterSkies : 35 year old 732s? Yes there are some around... This ancestor first flew in 1971, I flew it in 2004 as CC-CRQ, the cabin was in great shape, although t
39 Post contains images OV735 : I would say, yes (depending on, of course, where you fly it and how it has been maintained in the past and in the present). Personally, I trust old ai
40 Post contains links and images CM767 : I guess that they are safe Imagine that Aloha is getting some http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...20060322/BUSINESS03/603220322/1071
41 Post contains images Superhub : If you are flying in a Hooter's B732 and there are Hooter's girls in the flight, you will not be thinking about this question.
42 Post contains images Nkops : I watch Ryan Int'l and Sky King fly them in and out of ACY everyday, no problems (yet)... Don't forget..... "Why does B6 make so many fuel stops??"
43 AAden : as long as it's with a reputable airline it's fine.
44 Post contains links and images Terryb99 : Funny this thread is about 737-200. Just read this article; http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...20060322/BUSINESS03/603220322/1071 Aloha is taking
45 Cubsrule : The majority of LA's 732s are fairly new, though... CC-CRQ, which is now LV-BBM, was delivered in 1981. All the -230s (ex-LH) were delivered in the e
46 Philb : Wow- a long thread and nobody has picked up on the misconception in many posts that the AGE of the aircraft is important - because it plainly isn't. M
47 Arcano : Is it safe? I hope so, or I risk my life every 2 weeks! rember that South America seems to be the lost paradise for the good 732... actually, you SPEN
48 Post contains links and images Airportmanager : How about ICARO'S new 737's? The 737-236 ADVANCED, ex SOUTH AMFRICAN. one arrived a month ago and an other one 4 months ago. Flwon n one, looks great,
49 Post contains images TPAnx : To prove the "it's not the age, it's the maintenence" point...how old are some of the USAF's B-52s? Some are being flown by the sons/daughters of the
50 N1120A : Except of course that it backfired, seeing as they need to employ a 4th F/A Wright Amendment
51 Cubsrule : When I look at the H2 livery, I can't help but think I'm back in the 70s...
52 RicardoFG : Do the bears shit in the woods?
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