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A380 At ORD  
User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

My contact at LH said they would like to bring the 380 to ORD in 2008. It makes sense. All the LH and UA FRA flights are consistantly full and they will have FIVE flights this summer season. KE also does quite well but they only fly the 747 sporatically. AF also has the whalejet in the works but I don't know how ORD does for them.

IIRC the city said that it didn't want to foot the entire bill to upgrade the gates at T5. With LH they would also need to upgrade one of the double bridged gates over at UA T1. Does anybody know the facts behind this?

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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4178 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2384 times:
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Quoting ORDagent (Thread starter):
they will have FIVE flights this summer season

That's cool, as I will be commuting between ORD and FRA a lot over the summer, but I can't find those 5 flights just yet. So far, I have four ORD-FRA, two of which operated by UA, one ORD-DUS (not daily) and two ORD-MUC (again, one a UA flight). What am I missing ?

This being said, I would expect LH to fly anything they can in June and July on account of the Football World Cup.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23301 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2350 times:


This thread
has a lengthy discussion of this issue.



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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

THanks for the headsup! The summer schedule has a 747/340/333 with LH and two 777 codeshare by UA plus the MUC / DUS svc.

User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Well for one thing. I don't think that the plane will fit on the taxiways, there are service roads that are parallel with the taxiways and runways,and there light poles on them, so if they don't make them bigger, then no dice.......


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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Reply 4):
Well for one thing. I don't think that the plane will fit on the taxiways, there are service roads that are parallel with the taxiways and runways,and there light poles on them, so if they don't make them bigger, then no dice.......

This appears to be the real show stopper. They have the same problem in SFO, but they will simply shut down a taxi way for 15 or so minutes when the magnumjet is moving around. This is not so easy at ORD. I don't have the reference handy, but it will cost a lot of money to make ORD A380 friendly. And the city is not going to do it on their own nickel.


User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 5):

And I don think the city of chicago would want to close the airport for 15 min just to do that.......If they did, that would be the dumbest thing that the ORD would do, just like letting FLYI waste there time and gates, which is worse, take your pick...



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

God will close the airport with a big storm but Mayor Daly will not because hes a capitalist. He likes money. Close the airport to position an airplane is kinda dumb, especially to a capitalist.
My concern is not where to taxi it but where to park it.
safe



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

If LH didn't need to reposition aircraft between T5 for arrivals and T1 for departures, then bringing the A380 into ORD wouldn't be such a headache. But moving a plane that size around Terminals 2 and 3, especially with planes for AA, AE, UA, and UAX constantly taxiing presents real problems.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting ORDagent (Thread starter):
All the LH and UA FRA flights are consistantly full and they will have FIVE flights this summer season.

The ORD-FRA flights are not that full. Yesterday, I booked award travel in F and had no trouble finding a seat on any flight I wanted for August.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 5):
They have the same problem in SFO, but they will simply shut down a taxi way for 15 or so minutes when the magnumjet is moving around.

I hope the landing fees are comensurate with the disruption.


User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 9):
The ORD-FRA flights are not that full. Yesterday, I booked award travel in F and had no trouble finding a seat on any flight I wanted for August.

ORD-FRA flights are nearly always full. Today for instance, 431, 435, 433 are all oversold in economy and business and First class is booked to over 75% between the three flights. 437 to DUS has also been experiencing very strong loads. In the past 6 weeks Mondays and Tuesdays have been on the light side of things, but things are picking up again and it can be hard to find a seat even on those days. During the summer months, the flights are typically extremely oversold in eco and business every single day, but the recent addition of the 3rd daily for JUL and AUG has allieviated some of the pressure. Give it time and that flight will fill up to. Also UA's flights to Germany are always nearly 100% full.


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 5):
They have the same problem in SFO, but they will simply shut down a taxi way for 15 or so minutes when the magnumjet is moving around.

As if they don't have enough delays at SFO already. I'm dreading the day when that fugly beast shows up and screws my days up even more than SFO manages now.



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User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

At JFK they have already begun spending several million dollars upgrading the taxiway air bridges etc. to accomodate the A380...there was a big concern from a number of airlines in reference to LAX not upgrading facilities fast enough for those carriers planning A380 operations there,(ie VS).

User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1486 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 9):
The ORD-FRA flights are not that full. Yesterday, I booked award travel in F and had no trouble finding a seat on any flight I wanted for August

You booked a premium cabin months out. F/C tend to sell closer to departure time as they tend to have business travelers.


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1439 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 8):
If LH didn't need to reposition aircraft between T5 for arrivals and T1 for departures, then bringing the A380 into ORD wouldn't be such a headache. But moving a plane that size around Terminals 2 and 3, especially with planes for AA, AE, UA, and UAX constantly taxiing presents real problems.

As I understand it, the problems are that the taxiways are too close to each other and the A380 would touch other aircraft such as a 747. I've been looking for the reference. Also, expanding ORD is about impossible, given the hostile local natives.


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