Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Posted (7 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 4426 times:
Have used a "?" in the topic, but IMO it seems like a done deal. Was rumoured here some time ago. The article at the same time reports that another 4 frames will be added to the fleet this year - anyone which types? A330-200/340-300?
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Air Madrid to Buy 15 Airbus A350 Airplanes, El Mundo Reports
March 23 (Bloomberg) -- Air Madrid Lineas Areas SA, a Spanish airline with eight aircraft, plans to buy 15 Airbus SAS A350 airliners, El Mundo reported, citing Jose Luis Carrillo, chairman of the Madrid-based carrier.
The purchase agreement, expected to be completed in a few weeks, only lacks delivery dates, the newspaper reported.
Manni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 4407 times:
Interesting, that would bring the total to 199 orders and commitments, of wich 25 would have been ordered/commited to this year. Could Air Madrid possibly fill in the delayed Emirates A340-600 slots?
That's correct Flying-Tiger, this order has been rumoured since late last year. It's good to hear that a firm should be signed soon.
It's very interesting to note that it has been from Latin speaking countries that the A350 has attracted some of the major orders such as the following.
Tap Portugal 10 + 5 Options
Tam 10 + 5 Options
Air Europa 10 + 2 Options
Eurofly 3 + 3 Options
Air Madrid 15 + ?
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4164 times:
I've been trying to locate the Bloomberg article, but can't find it. Anyone got a link? Are these A358s?
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4160 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 2): It's very interesting to note that it has been from Latin speaking countries that the A350 has attracted some of the major orders such as the following.
Tap Portugal 10 + 5 Options
Tam 10 + 5 Options
Air Europa 10 + 2 Options
Eurofly 3 + 3 Options
Air Madrid 15 + ?
Total
48 + 15 Options.
It does make you wonder.
Interesting observation, WINGS. I don't think we can draw any conclusions from this, but it is curious how the orders "cluster". Maybe when IB orders their 30 or so A350s...?
EDIT: Thanks for the link, EI321.
[Edited 2006-03-23 12:20:50]
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
OyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2576 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4071 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 5): Doubt it. The A346 shares little commodity with A330. While the A346 has a completely different price tag.
Regards,
Wings
I was of the understanding that they could change the airplane type if they have not started the assembly of the other model, since they are being produced at the same line. Gives Air Madrid planes fast and makes Emirates take their time to find out what they want.
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10): Who are the potential A350 customers?? off the top of my head
If SAS mangaes to make money again on their Intercontinental network the A350 would suit them well. Although a 787-8 would be better size for SAS. A350-700 anyone?
[Edited 2006-03-23 13:15:30]
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Joni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4071 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
It's very interesting to note that it has been from Latin speaking countries that the A350 has attracted some of the major orders such as the following.
I'm afraid you lost me there, what does it make you wonder?
(and as a sidenote, unfortunately those countries don't actually speak Latin. The only country where Latin is still an official language is the Vatican, even though globally there are tens of millions of people who understand it. I think Latin ought to be used much more than it is nowadays)
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4023 times:
Quoting Lumberton (Reply 8): Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
It's very interesting to note that it has been from Latin speaking countries that the A350 has attracted some of the major orders such as the following.
Tap Portugal 10 + 5 Options
Tam 10 + 5 Options
Air Europa 10 + 2 Options
Eurofly 3 + 3 Options
Air Madrid 15 + ?
Total
48 + 15 Options.
It does make you wonder.
Interesting observation, WINGS. I don't think we can draw any conclusions from this, but it is curious how the orders "cluster". Maybe when IB orders their 30 or so A350s...?
Iberia is prime candidate. We can also add France to that list of possible Latin speaking countries.
Quoting Joni (Reply 12):
I'm afraid you lost me there, what does it make you wonder?
(and as a sidenote, unfortunately those countries don't actually speak Latin. The only country where Latin is still an official language is the Vatican, even though globally there are tens of millions of people who understand it. I think Latin ought to be used much more than it is nowadays)
I thought that this question would eventually pop up. Well Joni I found the following definition to clarify my statement.
Of or relating to the languages that developed from Latin, such as Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, or to the peoples that speak them.
I don't see AR as potential candidate - well, maybe to replace the A340-200s, but I really doubt there is room in the fleet for A350-800s soon. If they order them, it'll be around 2020 - when the A340s have become pretty elder. Of course, at that time, the 747-400s will go too or will start to leave the fleet as they'll be 25-30 years old.
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Joni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3877 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 13):
I thought that this question would eventually pop up. Well Joni I found the following definition to clarify my statement.
Of or relating to the languages that developed from Latin, such as Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, or to the peoples that speak them.
Hey nice, I didn't know that - and I've been studying some Latin recently.
But what did you wonder about those languages and A350 orders, and do you think it may apply to BA and US airlines as well, since they speak English which is also heavily influenced by Latin?
OyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2576 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3770 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 17): was thinking that Airbus may have a good sales team in relation to these countries.
Costumers are usually loyal, and the reason for switching is if either if the competitor offer a significant better product better suited for your operation, or you have disagreements with your current provider.
I believe the Latin speaking customers have a longer tradition seeking business in Europe, rather than the US.
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Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3591 times:
Quoting Joni (Reply 16): Hey nice, I didn't know that - and I've been studying some Latin recently.
Well they aren't called ROMANce Languages because they are the language of love..
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Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3528 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 17): I was thinking that Airbus may have a good sales team in relation to these countries.
Well I would hope so since most of the airlines you mentioned are in Europe.
Quoting OyKIE (Reply 18): I believe the Latin speaking customers have a longer tradition seeking business in Europe, rather than the US.
Boeing and MD have had a great deal of success selling airplanes in Latin America.
ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
Cruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 998 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
Quoting Keta (Reply 19): I saw it today in the newspapers. First 5 deliveries in 2010, next 5 in 2011 and the rest later.
How can that be? The A350 has an EIS of 2011 now (after the recent 6 month delay).
But congratulations to Airbus and Air Madrid. Certainly it brings Airbus closer to its target of 200 orders. Its also interesting to note that the A350 has more orders thus far this year.
James
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WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3417 times:
Quoting Cruiser (Reply 23):
How can that be? The A350 has an EIS of 2011 now (after the recent 6 month delay).
But congratulations to Airbus and Air Madrid. Certainly it brings Airbus closer to its target of 200 orders. Its also interesting to note that the A350 has more orders thus far this year.
James
The delay that you are referring to is for the final freeze of the A350 project, which was expected to be concluded in March. This date has now been pulled back into June. This accounts to a delay of three months, although they expect to make up this time latter on in the project.
I expect Airbus is playing a bit of wait and watch approach in regards to the B787 project.
Regards,
Wings
Aviation Is A Passion.
25 Cruiser: This is the delay I was referring to: http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...350+three+years+behind+Boeing.html James
26 Ikramerica: They do not have 200 orders or anywhere near 200 orders. According to Airbus, there are 91 orders, and whenever these are finally inked, assuming it'
27 Eilennaei: People may be Latin (or more often Latino), but the language they mostly speak is a Romance (of a Roman origin) language that is also Latinate (deriv
28 Dalecary: QF formal signing is very close according to my mail.
29 OyKIE: You are quite right. I am studying History as a part of my education to become a teacher. I have just finished work about the colonization and imperi
30 WINGS: Well Cruiser the quote I was referring to was this one. It should help clarify some facts. http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...787+stretch+with+he
31 WINGS: Hi Eilennaei, I am also aware of this. But thanks for the aditional info. Regards, Wings
32 OyKIE: From Criuser article in reply 25. John is not as optimistic as Hunter. Also Avitaion Week says late 2010 and early 2011. Hunter is more precise int t
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