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Air Madrid To Take A350?  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4166 posts, RR: 36
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

Have used a "?" in the topic, but IMO it seems like a done deal. Was rumoured here some time ago. The article at the same time reports that another 4 frames will be added to the fleet this year - anyone which types? A330-200/340-300?

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Air Madrid to Buy 15 Airbus A350 Airplanes, El Mundo Reports

March 23 (Bloomberg) -- Air Madrid Lineas Areas SA, a Spanish airline with eight aircraft, plans to buy 15 Airbus SAS A350 airliners, El Mundo reported, citing Jose Luis Carrillo, chairman of the Madrid-based carrier.

The purchase agreement, expected to be completed in a few weeks, only lacks delivery dates, the newspaper reported.

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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

Interesting, that would bring the total to 199 orders and commitments, of wich 25 would have been ordered/commited to this year. Could Air Madrid possibly fill in the delayed Emirates A340-600 slots?


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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6030 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
it seems like a done deal. Was rumoured here some time ago

That's correct Flying-Tiger, this order has been rumoured since late last year. It's good to hear that a firm should be signed soon.

It's very interesting to note that it has been from Latin speaking countries that the A350 has attracted some of the major orders such as the following.

Tap Portugal 10 + 5 Options
Tam 10 + 5 Options
Air Europa 10 + 2 Options
Eurofly 3 + 3 Options
Air Madrid 15 + ?

Total
48 + 15 Options.

It does make you wonder.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6020 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 1):
Could Air Madrid possibly fill in the delayed Emirates A340-600 slots?

I doubt it Manni. I would expect used A330/A340. I see the A340-600 as too large for them.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5882 times:

Great to see Airbus nearing their 200 order target, even if it has slipped by 4-5 month due to delays since Airbus has upgraded the A350 even more.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
Quoting Manni (Reply 1):
Could Air Madrid possibly fill in the delayed Emirates A340-600 slots?

I doubt it Manni. I would expect used A330/A340. I see the A340-600 as too large for them.

Regards,
Wings

Would it be possible for Airbus to offer a A330 in the Emirates A340-600 slots?



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5840 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 4):
Would it be possible for Airbus to offer a A330 in the Emirates A340-600 slots?

Doubt it. The A346 shares little commodity with A330. While the A346 has a completely different price tag.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5810 times:

I've been trying to locate the Bloomberg article, but can't find it. Anyone got a link? Are these A358s?


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5806 times:

Lumberton here it is:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=a8ycHGGdq7Co&refer=market_insight


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5806 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
It's very interesting to note that it has been from Latin speaking countries that the A350 has attracted some of the major orders such as the following.
Tap Portugal 10 + 5 Options
Tam 10 + 5 Options
Air Europa 10 + 2 Options
Eurofly 3 + 3 Options
Air Madrid 15 + ?
Total
48 + 15 Options.
It does make you wonder.

Interesting observation, WINGS. I don't think we can draw any conclusions from this, but it is curious how the orders "cluster". Maybe when IB orders their 30 or so A350s...?

EDIT: Thanks for the link, EI321.

[Edited 2006-03-23 12:20:50]


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5806 times:

So what are air Madrids s/h expansion plans? How many s/h planes are they after?

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

Good news, congrats to Air Madrid and the A350 program

Who are the potential A350 customers?? off the top of my head

IB---as said above 25-30 aircrafts

BMI---5

VS----20+

EK[go either away--787-10 or 350-1000]

UL---10-15[but as pointed out they will follow EK and go for the 787-10 if EK choose that aircraft]

SQ/CX could go either way

Aerolineas Argentina---10 aircrafts

Lan Chile------10 aircrafts

TG----15-20 aircrafts


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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 5):
Doubt it. The A346 shares little commodity with A330. While the A346 has a completely different price tag.

Regards,
Wings

I was of the understanding that they could change the airplane type if they have not started the assembly of the other model, since they are being produced at the same line. Gives Air Madrid planes fast and makes Emirates take their time to find out what they want.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10):
Who are the potential A350 customers?? off the top of my head

If SAS mangaes to make money again on their Intercontinental network the A350 would suit them well. Although a 787-8 would be better size for SAS. A350-700 anyone?  Smile

[Edited 2006-03-23 13:15:30]


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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):

It's very interesting to note that it has been from Latin speaking countries that the A350 has attracted some of the major orders such as the following.

[...]

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
48 + 15 Options.

It does make you wonder.

I'm afraid you lost me there, what does it make you wonder?

(and as a sidenote, unfortunately those countries don't actually speak Latin. The only country where Latin is still an official language is the Vatican, even though globally there are tens of millions of people who understand it. I think Latin ought to be used much more than it is nowadays)


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 8):
Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):
It's very interesting to note that it has been from Latin speaking countries that the A350 has attracted some of the major orders such as the following.
Tap Portugal 10 + 5 Options
Tam 10 + 5 Options
Air Europa 10 + 2 Options
Eurofly 3 + 3 Options
Air Madrid 15 + ?
Total
48 + 15 Options.
It does make you wonder.

Interesting observation, WINGS. I don't think we can draw any conclusions from this, but it is curious how the orders "cluster". Maybe when IB orders their 30 or so A350s...?

Iberia is prime candidate. We can also add France to that list of possible Latin speaking countries.  Wink

Quoting Joni (Reply 12):

I'm afraid you lost me there, what does it make you wonder?

(and as a sidenote, unfortunately those countries don't actually speak Latin. The only country where Latin is still an official language is the Vatican, even though globally there are tens of millions of people who understand it. I think Latin ought to be used much more than it is nowadays)

I thought that this question would eventually pop up. Well Joni I found the following definition to clarify my statement.

Of or relating to the languages that developed from Latin, such as Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, or to the peoples that speak them.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10):
Good news, congrats to Air Madrid and the A350 program

Who are the potential A350 customers?? off the top of my head

IB---as said above 25-30 aircrafts

BMI---5

VS----20+

EK[go either away--787-10 or 350-1000]

UL---10-15[but as pointed out they will follow EK and go for the 787-10 if EK choose that aircraft]

SQ/CX could go either way

Aerolineas Argentina---10 aircrafts

Lan Chile------10 aircrafts

TG----15-20 aircrafts

I dont think BMI will exist in its current state to be able to order any A350s.

I think EK is 50:50 chance, SQ will get 787, CX prob Boeing too but Airbus still have a chance there. Others are:

EI (12-14)

Lufthansa (20+)

SU (only a maybe though)

SAS


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 10):
Aerolineas Argentina---10 aircrafts

Oh no... not again!  Yeah sure

AEROLINEAS ARGENTINAS, with a final S  Smile

I don't see AR as potential candidate - well, maybe to replace the A340-200s, but I really doubt there is room in the fleet for A350-800s soon. If they order them, it'll be around 2020 - when the A340s have become pretty elder. Of course, at that time, the 747-400s will go too or will start to leave the fleet as they'll be 25-30 years old.

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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 13):

I thought that this question would eventually pop up. Well Joni I found the following definition to clarify my statement.

Of or relating to the languages that developed from Latin, such as Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, or to the peoples that speak them.

Hey nice, I didn't know that - and I've been studying some Latin recently.

But what did you wonder about those languages and A350 orders, and do you think it may apply to BA and US airlines as well, since they speak English which is also heavily influenced by Latin?


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5448 times:

Quoting Joni (Reply 16):
Hey nice, I didn't know that - and I've been studying some Latin recently.

We learn something new everyday.

Quoting Joni (Reply 16):
But what did you wonder about those languages and A350 orders,

I was thinking that Airbus may have a good sales team in relation to these countries.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2754 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5416 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 17):
was thinking that Airbus may have a good sales team in relation to these countries.

Costumers are usually loyal, and the reason for switching is if either if the competitor offer a significant better product better suited for your operation, or you have disagreements with your current provider.

I believe the Latin speaking customers have a longer tradition seeking business in Europe, rather than the US.



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User currently offlineKeta From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

I saw it today in the newspapers. First 5 deliveries in 2010, next 5 in 2011 and the rest later.

Congrats to Airbus and Air Madrid if this goes on!  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

Quoting Joni (Reply 16):
Hey nice, I didn't know that - and I've been studying some Latin recently.

Well they aren't called ROMANce Languages because they are the language of love..



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User currently offlineMBJ2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

Ok, now I'm going all the way down to the floor to pick up some cliches.  duck 

Maybe chicas lindas and latin lovers prefer the Airbus lavatories when meeting during flights for some really nasty stuff  Smile

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 20):
Quoting Joni (Reply 16):
Hey nice, I didn't know that - and I've been studying some Latin recently.

Well they aren't called ROMANce Languages because they are the language of love..



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 17):
I was thinking that Airbus may have a good sales team in relation to these countries.

Well I would hope so since most of the airlines you mentioned are in Europe.

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 18):
I believe the Latin speaking customers have a longer tradition seeking business in Europe, rather than the US.

Boeing and MD have had a great deal of success selling airplanes in Latin America.



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User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Quoting Keta (Reply 19):
I saw it today in the newspapers. First 5 deliveries in 2010, next 5 in 2011 and the rest later.

How can that be? The A350 has an EIS of 2011 now (after the recent 6 month delay).

But congratulations to Airbus and Air Madrid. Certainly it brings Airbus closer to its target of 200 orders. Its also interesting to note that the A350 has more orders thus far this year.

James



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 23):

How can that be? The A350 has an EIS of 2011 now (after the recent 6 month delay).

But congratulations to Airbus and Air Madrid. Certainly it brings Airbus closer to its target of 200 orders. Its also interesting to note that the A350 has more orders thus far this year.

James

The delay that you are referring to is for the final freeze of the A350 project, which was expected to be concluded in March. This date has now been pulled back into June. This accounts to a delay of three months, although they expect to make up this time latter on in the project.

I expect Airbus is playing a bit of wait and watch approach in regards to the B787 project.

Regards,
Wings



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25 Post contains links Cruiser : This is the delay I was referring to: http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...350+three+years+behind+Boeing.html James
26 Ikramerica : They do not have 200 orders or anywhere near 200 orders. According to Airbus, there are 91 orders, and whenever these are finally inked, assuming it'
27 Eilennaei : People may be Latin (or more often Latino), but the language they mostly speak is a Romance (of a Roman origin) language that is also Latinate (deriv
28 Dalecary : QF formal signing is very close according to my mail.
29 OyKIE : You are quite right. I am studying History as a part of my education to become a teacher. I have just finished work about the colonization and imperi
30 Post contains links WINGS : Well Cruiser the quote I was referring to was this one. It should help clarify some facts. http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...787+stretch+with+he
31 WINGS : Hi Eilennaei, I am also aware of this. But thanks for the aditional info. Regards, Wings
32 OyKIE : From Criuser article in reply 25. John is not as optimistic as Hunter. Also Avitaion Week says late 2010 and early 2011. Hunter is more precise int t
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