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Mesa Airlines To Begin HII-LAS And CDC-LAS/SLC  
User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 954 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4906 times:

Effective May 7, 2006 YV(Mesa Airlines) will begin flying HII-LAS 1x/day using a BE1, LAS-CDC 1x/day using a BE1 and SLC-CDC 2x/day using a BE1. Schedule should be loaded into SHARES this weekend. I'm curious if DL will respond to CDC-SLC as these flights will operate under the US/HP codeshare.

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Thread starter):
I'm curious if DL will respond to CDC-SLC as these flights will operate under the US/HP codeshare.

Yeah, I guess they will be increasing their already existing flights operated by Skywest from 3 EM2s to 5 EM2s to counter Mesa's entrance  Yeah sure .


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4844 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 1):

Yeah, I guess they will be increasing their already existing flights operated by Skywest from 3 EM2s to 5 EM2s to counter Mesa's entrance Yeah sure .

Weren't these all EAS flights to begin with, so Delta will be leaving the market in entirety?


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4822 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 2):
Weren't these all EAS flights to begin with, so Delta will be leaving the market in entirety?

Bingo. MESA strikes again.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4779 times:

The Airport people down in CDC have indicated they want service to continue to SLC with the grant money and not force people to go through LAS or PHX to do so with this change in operators. As for DC/SkyWest, I think they want to look and see if the market will stand on it's own two feet without any grant money. CDC is far enough away from STU and LAS as well as SLC and large enough population wise that they do need service.


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4773 times:

 relieved  I'd liek to try Skywest going down and Mesa coming up, never been on a BE1 yet.


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4719 times:
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I can tell you right now CDC-LAS will be a big hit and 1x daily won't be enough.


Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4715 times:

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 3):
Bingo. MESA strikes again.

There's nothing "striking" about it. It's called EAS, lowest reasonable bidder. Saves our tax dollars.


User currently offlineZID From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 294 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4696 times:

Any word on Mesa service to XVB or QJX?


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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
There's nothing "striking" about it. It's called EAS, lowest reasonable bidder. Saves our tax dollars.

It's called MESA destroying the industry. Slave wages, awful work rules, terrible performance, yet they succeed because of their dirt cheap costs, due in part to the slave wages.

I won't be surprised if they succeed in Hawaii by undercutting everyone else there and financing it with their profitable mainland operations. Then when the other Hawaii competetors have gone out of business, they jack up the prices to make a profit. I'm not sure how their crews will be able to afford to live there on the pay they get though. Either on the beach in tents, or 10 to an apartment.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=70613



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 9):
Either on the beach in tents, or 10 to an apartment.

Hey, I know quite a few bums, err, reasonble people, who have slept on the beaches of Hawaii for years.  Wink



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 9):
Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
There's nothing "striking" about it. It's called EAS, lowest reasonable bidder. Saves our tax dollars.

It's called MESA destroying the industry. Slave wages, awful work rules, terrible performance, yet they succeed because of their dirt cheap costs, due in part to the slave wages.

I won't be surprised if they succeed in Hawaii by undercutting everyone else there and financing it with their profitable mainland operations. Then when the other Hawaii competetors have gone out of business, they jack up the prices to make a profit. I'm not sure how their crews will be able to afford to live there on the pay they get though. Either on the beach in tents, or 10 to an apartment.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...70613

Which is why they behave like Wal-Mart. THEY SUCK!



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User currently offlinePHXMKEflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 9):
It's called MESA destroying the industry. Slave wages, awful work rules, terrible performance, yet they succeed because of their dirt cheap costs, due in part to the slave wages.

Mesa's business model; well put, I could not say it better myself, also a very nice link...welcome to my Respected Users list!  wave 


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 6):
I can tell you right now CDC-LAS will be a big hit and 1x daily won't be enough.

Yeah, whatever!!!!

CDC had 637 revenue passengers in January of 06. Thats about 20 passengers per day, or a BE1 full with people, they are gonna have 3 flights per day, resulting in a 33% load factor....you really think the traffic will triple? Did I mention that over 2/3 of people that fly out of CDC go to SLC?...only to SLC!!!! LAS is about 2.5 hours drive away...most people that go there will probably drive, and a large portion of the passengers from CDC that need to fly will probably drive 1 hour to SGU and fly Skywest....the same airline they have been flying on for the past 30 years!!!

Keep dreaming pal!


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2224 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4538 times:
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Why will Cedar City - Las Vegas work?
Has it turned into a retirement area that travels a lot? When my carrier served it 35 years ago the predominate denomination just did not see LAS as a draw. We had to operate via two other towns to make it anywhere near profitable. I know a lot can happen in 35 years and thats what I'm curious about. Always liked CDC and still wonder about retirement there.



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Even with the grant money, Skywest won't be able to economiclly operate a EM2 on this route, pax loads and revenue already showed that through figures that were used when determining the carrier for the EAS subsidy. Again, with lower cost and by operating the B1900D, Mesa has won another route. I also believe I read that Mesa has now also submitted a bid for the LAS-Merced EAS route in competition with Scenic. I am wondering who will win that route since Mesa is offering superior flight times and all the added connections to the America West system through the LAS hub. Are there any other routes that could be connected to LAS through the EAS program? Maybe Visalia, I don't know, can't think of any others, can anybody out there?

Now, if we could get them back into PRC and bump the losers from Great Lakes, life would be so much better. Great Lakes has ruined the route for us out of PRC to PHX. Last year, daily pax counts out of PRC on Mesa operating as America West Express averaged 43 pax a day. That counted for 3 flights through the week and twice daily service on Sunday, one rotation on Saturdays. Latest figures here locally in our paper showed pax counts at the airport now average 14 pax a day, and that's with the same flight schedule. An average of less than 5 pax a flight, and so low, stats are shown anymore on the govt page nor O&D counts


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 9):
It's called MESA destroying the industry. Slave wages, awful work rules, terrible performance, yet they succeed because of their dirt cheap costs, due in part to the slave wages.

Get off your high horse, this Mesa is destroying the industry BS is getting really old.


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

and I agree Tornado82, at least from a pax prospective here in PRC, they were the industry and made the route successful was HP Express

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting M404 (Reply 14):
When my carrier served it 35 years ago the predominate denomination just did not see LAS as a draw.

AirWest served CDC with F27's right? Hehe, wow, I wish i was around to see that kinda stuff...



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2224 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4458 times:
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WesternA318

Yes they did, as did Air West and Bonanza, their predecessors. Same 40 seat acft.

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Routes were PHX or LAS to Grand Canyon (the real draw), Page (Glen Canyon), Cedar City, Salt Lake.

We used to run special trips for college Geology students all over that region as the great big windows and high wing gave everyone a good view.



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4428 times:
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Quoting OOer (Reply 13):
CDC had 637 revenue passengers in January of 06. Thats about 20 passengers per day, or a BE1 full with people, they are gonna have 3 flights per day, resulting in a 33% load factor....you really think the traffic will triple? Did I mention that over 2/3 of people that fly out of CDC go to SLC?...only to SLC!!!! LAS is about 2.5 hours drive away...most people that go there will probably drive, and a large portion of the passengers from CDC that need to fly will probably drive 1 hour to SGU and fly Skywest....the same airline they have been flying on for the past 30 years!!!

Keep dreaming pal!

People that would normally drive to LAS might now fly, especially since it will be an LCC to connect to.



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 20):
especially since it will be an LCC to connect to.

True, but US cannot take you to as many worldwide places as OO/DL can.

Quoting M404 (Reply 19):
Routes were PHX or LAS to Grand Canyon (the real draw), Page (Glen Canyon), Cedar City, Salt Lake.

Didnt you guys also fly SLC-Pocatello-Boise?



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Thread starter):
Effective May 7, 2006 YV(Mesa Airlines) will begin flying HII-LAS 1x/day using a BE1, LAS-CDC 1x/day using a BE1 and SLC-CDC 2x/day using a BE1. Schedule should be loaded into SHARES this weekend. I'm curious if DL will respond to CDC-SLC as these flights will operate under the US/HP codeshare.

I want to be on the first flight LAS-HII, I haven't been back there in a while and do miss that town fondly. I'm really surprised it took this long for a HII flight to start up, I thought there was a market for a nonstop flight with a prop plane. Havasu has been in a growth spurt from what I hear. When I left in 87 the city was about 25,000 and I understand now that it's up to 60,000. As for CDC - I wonder if they'll upgrade the aircraft during the Shakespearean festivals that Cedar City is so famous for?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4396 times:
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Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 21):
True, but US cannot take you to as many worldwide places as OO/DL can.

Oh yes, I'm sure that there is a massive demand in CDC wanting to take DL's new service to Kiev this summer or to Cape town.  Yeah sure



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 23):
Oh yes, I'm sure that there is a massive demand in CDC wanting to take DL's new service to Kiev this summer or to Cape town.

LMAO, dont forget Akron, OH and Milan!



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
25 Jmc1975 : Very true! When HP Express was in PRC, the connections onto HP encouraged people to fly. But all the geniuses involved in getting Great Lakes to be P
26 PHXMKEflyer : Perhaps you should work for Mesa, i'm sure you would change your opinion of them very quickly.
27 727forever : Tornado82, usually I'm the guy that nods my head in agreement with you, but on this one these guys are right. Mesa is scum and they are ruining the i
28 Tornado82 : But you see, that's the thing. Nobody to date has been "drafted" or "forced" to work for Mesa. I'm a meteorologist, AccuWeather is the "Mesa" of mete
29 Ca2ohHP : I think we used to fly SNA-HII also (from what a day one employee once told me). Not sure if it was YV or HP operated.
30 Flyboy7974 : Summer just under two years ago, I think, Mesa tried service on the ONT-HII route, service was twice daily through the week and one flight on the week
31 Post contains images Goldenshield : It sure worked great as the non-rev express during those busy summer months.
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