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South American Carriers & Canada  
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

They've come and they've gone--VA/RG/AR (to name a few), but given the resurgence in passenger traffic, and the hassles incurred with travel and visas issues into the US, why are there currently no South American carriers currently serving Canada??

The obvious destinations being: YVR/YYZ/YUL.

[Edited 2006-03-24 05:39:49]


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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Avianca has or had plans to, by now they codeshare with AC in their succesful BOG ride but I think Avianca metal could be seen in Canadá in some time...


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 3993 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Probably the same reason they aren't very prevalent here in the states. Getting Category 1 status from the FAA has been a problem for many, and it's a good assumption if they run into that with the FAA they won't fare much better with Transport Canada. But marketing is something I think is lacking. AeroMexico backed out of service between SLC and MEX since they just can't seam to get US passengers onto a foreign flag carrier yet Americans fly AC all the time, and many speculate that DL will do much better with an SLC-MEX route in the very near future.


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User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Well, getting into Canada isn't necessarily easier than getting into the US... and since most people have friends or relatives in the US, Canada is mainly for students or leisure, which isn't the preferable destination for latin folks.... I did however hear that AC was studying the possibility of flying to UIO/GYE... which would be a first... And also, with Ecuador getting back to CAT 1 soon (so I've heard) and many other countries getting or having CAT 1, the chance of getting airlines to Canada isn't too far away....


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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

I believe that much of AC's recent success in Latam is due to the transatlantic & transpacific feed they get from those unwilling / unable to get a US visa to transit the US. Even Visa-waiver citizens dislike transiting the US due to TSA hassles and perceived insult of being fingerprinted / photographed.

Latam carriers don't have the same feed and Canada is a comparitivly small market. They (should) put their aircraft where they can make money.

Doesn't Cubana still serve Canada?


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 4):
Doesn't Cubana still serve Canada?

Yes Cubana still serve Canada..


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 4):
Doesn't Cubana still serve Canada?

Cubana is a CARRIBEAN based airline.



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 6):
Cubana is a CARRIBEAN based airline.

That's funny, I thought they were based in the Caribbean. Does BWIA still fly to Canada too?


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 7):
Does BWIA still fly to Canada too?

BW offers daily service to YYZ, operating 738's and the odd 343. All flights originate or transit thru POS.

[Edited 2006-03-24 15:57:46]


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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2300 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Thread starter):
why are there currently no South American carriers currently serving Canada??

Because let's face it my friend. There are far more Latin Americans in the United States than Canada.

Reasons? Warmer,Closer, and more popular to immigrate to.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22304 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

It's also probably worth noting that, to the extent that there is a market, AC has it pretty well covered. AC is no AA in Latin America, but they've got a more extensive Latin American market than most other North American airlines, especially considering the lower traffic and longer distances.


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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Didn't Lan Chile ever fly to Canada?

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 11):
Didn't Lan Chile ever fly to Canada?

Possibly Montreal-Mirabel, but IIRC it was LADECO. Can anybody confirm??



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5944 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3456 times:
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Yes, LanChile flew to Canada. I saw them repeatedly at Mirabel in the late eighties.


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User currently offlineAero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Indeed, LanChile used to operate SCL-JFK-YUL with 767 equipment. The route was opened after the acquisitation of Ladeco.

"As part of booking roundtrip flights which depart from US airports, Orbitz is pleased to offer airline tickets on Lan Chile, which operates a daily non-stop flight from Montreal, Canada (YUL) to New York (JFK) regularly scheduled to depart at 6:20pm and arrive at 7:58pm. Usually an Embraer RJ140 is flown for this route. The average travel time from Montreal, Canada to New York, NY is 1 hour and 38 minutes."

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22304 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting Aero (Reply 14):
"As part of booking roundtrip flights which depart from US airports, Orbitz is pleased to offer airline tickets on Lan Chile, which operates a daily non-stop flight from Montreal, Canada (YUL) to New York (JFK) regularly scheduled to depart at 6:20pm and arrive at 7:58pm. Usually an Embraer RJ140 is flown for this route. The average travel time from Montreal, Canada to New York, NY is 1 hour and 38 minutes."

I'm super confused. That sounds like an MQ tag to me. The times are identical to AA 4744 (now operated by an E135).



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User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

At one point, AR used to fly both Montreal and Toronto.


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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2951 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3264 times:
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these are the SouthAm/Latam carriers i can remember to Canada since 1980:
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VASP MD-11/maybe DC-10, YYZ
VARIG, DC-10, YYZ, YMX with 707s someone told me in the early 80s also, also short time 1-weekly 747 YVR to NRT/HKG, not even sure if it actually started.
VIASA, DC-10/occasional A300 maybe, YYZ, YUL/YMX?
Air Guyana, 707, 757, Tu-154, YYZ
LAN Chile, 767, YMX
AVIANCA, short lived 707 YMX
Guyana 2000, leased 757, YYZ
Aerolineas Argentinas, YYZ/YMX, 747SP, A310, other 747s occasionally
AeroPeru, 757, YYZ
AVENSA, YMX, 727

Aeromexico, YYZ*, 73G
Mexicana, YYZ*, YUL*, A32x
Cubana, YYZ*, YUL?, A320 TACA, previously: IL-62, Tu-154, Dc-10
TACA, YYZ*, A320
BWIA, YYZ*, 738
Air Jamaica, YYZ*, A320
Bahamasair, YMX, 727

i also remember a Guatemalan airlin that flew a Tu-134 or BAc 1-11 to YYZ in the mid 80s, and there was also at least one airline from Suriname in the late 80s with either a 707 or 757, also to YYZ, dont remember the names though.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 17):
Aeromexico, YYZ*, 73G
Mexicana, YYZ*, YUL*, A32x

AM's flights are no longer in the reservations system. I have no idea if AM will actually go back to YYZ this year.

As for MX, they also fly to YVR from MEX non-stop using A319's.



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2951 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3151 times:
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hmmm, you're right, looking again, the Am flights from YYZ all seem to be codeshares on DL... pity, i liked seeing that metal 737 here.


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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Grupo TA serve YYZ from and to SAL.

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

I think that when the market on BOG-YYZ evolves a little more, we will see daily flights operated by AV and AC but that may not come until late 2006 or 2007....

User currently offlineAirFranceJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Guyana Airways and Guyana Air 2000 flew into Toronto from as far back as the 1980's. Of course, all of this stopped after both airlines went bust.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
I think that when the market on BOG-YYZ evolves a little more, we will see daily flights operated by AV and AC but that may not come until late 2006 or 2007....

it would be great to see AV in Canada, but I think we will see first new routes to Europe and than flights to Canada due the code-share on the AC flights.



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User currently offlineYYZflyer From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3642 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 18):
I have no idea if AM will actually go back to YYZ this year

I was spotting at YYZ on March 11 and there was an AM 737.



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25 Cedarjet : Air Canada's Central and South American network is astounding. They have really built up a great system, which I presume is a hub radiating out of YYZ
26 EddieDude : It must have been a charter to CUN or something. The idea was for AM to start regularly-scheduled service between MEX and YYZ non-stop with 73W's lat
27 Avianca : in my eyes the Air Canadas South American is not bad but not outstanding + the O&D ex Toronto isnt such small to SouthAmerica and bigger day by day.
28 CayMan : Clearly a significant part of the network is connecting traffic. But the O&D is bigger than you think---an ever growing pop of Colombians, Venezuelan
29 BSBIsland : I believe Air Canada was the biggest winner, after the United States started requiring visa to all passengers in traffic in 2003, and since most latin
30 RCS763AV : Indeed, remeber the new Euro flights are coming this year. But since the YYZ flights would be operated by 757s, this would not interfere with the Eur
31 Pdpsol : The sizeable South American carriers, LA, JJ, AV or TA [Peru] or even AR have waaay more expansion in key US destinations, ORD, LAX, JFK, IAD, ATL, et
32 ANother : Don't forget that it was Canadian Pacific (CP Air) that opened these routes! In 1974 they had a flight YVR-MEX-ACA-LIM-SCL-BUE. DC8s (43s/63s) in thos
33 Post contains links AirCanada014 : I know there will be more new destinations in South America for AC expansion. I've mention in previous reports where AC wants to expand international
34 FLYACYYZ : AirCanada014: AC already flies seasonally to Puerto Vallarta.
35 Thatplaneguy : I agree with this: Im British and I fly regularly to Peru. I used to fly on DL via ATL. Now I avoid the USA because of the hassles. My apologies to al
36 2travel2know : It seems CM is having a hard time trying to get the Canadians to allow YYZ daily from PTY. I'm not sure if Canada wants CM to fly to YVR and/or YUL in
37 DYK : Doubtful this will happen any time soon or even a South American carrier into YVR. There is not any bi-latteral agreements with S.A. countries that a
38 2travel2know : For some strange reason, Panamanian airlines are supposed to have rights for YUL (then YMX) and YVR but not for YYZ. Don't quote me on this, since I
39 YOW : They still fly 763 Freighters to Canada every now and then. I know YQR gets them a few times a year.
40 ANother : It's been over 20 years since I worked for CP Air - but I recall that the Canadian ASA 'model' was to give Canadian airlines rights from any point in
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