BHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 6 Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5706 times:
Hi guys,
does anyone have an update as to any major alliance changes ?
All I know at the moment is very limited..
Malaysian - Possible Sky Team
JAL - Oneworld (definate)
Egyptair - Star Alliance
Ryanair - Oneworld .......
any ideas if any of the Hawaiian airlines will be joining an alliance ?
Just curious thats all... also has their been talks of possible shifts in the star alliance ? I recall somewhere that Austrian were unhappy ??
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5638 times:
Quoting BHXDTW (Thread starter): I recall somewhere that Austrian were unhappy ??
they may very well be unhappy - LH is moving into a lot of destinations OS have traditionally considered to be theirs .. and OS were apparently very unhappy about LX coming onboard ... but since OS have entrusted their entire res system and ff programme to LH it would be very expensive and difficult for them to shift out of Star
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
Concorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5623 times:
Hi BHXDTW - nice to see you online!
Here is some info:
- Set to join as soon as possible. - set to become part of the alliance in early 2007. - set to join at the turn of 2006/2007.
- will become a member this year - will become a member this year
As you mentioned Egyptair have announced their interest to join.
- I read on a.net that they are set to join in April this year. - to become 'Associate Member' in mid 2007.
MH is also in negotiations to join.
For all three alliances expect to see growth in India and China. There are rumours of CZ, CA, MU in China and 9W + S2, AI + IC in India joining alliances.
StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5587 times:
Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 3): Where did you ever hear Ryanair wanting to join Oneworld?. You are the first one to mention this, never heard of this from any reports.
and Easyjet are joining Star Alliance
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3087 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5541 times:
Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 2): 9W + S2, AI + IC in India joining alliances.
My bets are on:
AI/IC - *A (given AI's close ties with LH, FFP partnership, FRA as an AI mini-hub etc.)
9W/S2 - could swing to either OW or ST (I hope they go to ST). I don't think there's much chance of this alliance on *A (once again - due to AI's existing ties to LH).
SapphireLHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 103 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5361 times:
Being somwhat involved in the transition to Terminal 5 from T1 and T4 it has been made aware at the regular meetings that as T5 will be a "B.A." Terminal ONLY....all One World alliance partners will be operating from Terminal 3 !! Will this mean that all new alliance partners due to be joining soon will also transfer to T3 ? I'm not sure as will seem T3 will reach capacity sooner than later. It is confirmed that British Mediterrean and G B Airways, franchises of BA are going to T3 as they do not have containerised baggage systems. BA domestic fleet, also operating from T5 are being studied for alteration to containerised baggage before 2008 to be able to fit in with the baggage handling systems in T5
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4740 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5345 times:
I know EK does its own thing and wants to rule the world in all, but have they ever considered joining an alliance? I know they do FF with VS etc..
Actually what about VS? I would think they would be a good candidate for Star Alliance to balance out BA... I guess SQ for whatever reason is holding back? I don't see why though!
BHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5242 times:
Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 3): Where did you ever hear Ryanair wanting to join Oneworld?. You are the first one to mention this, never heard of this from any reports.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4740 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5159 times:
Quoting Joost (Reply 10): Rumours suggest that it's Lufthansa that's holding it back. Virgin is a major competitor for them on the US-Europe market.
Does LH fly US-UK? Does VS fly US-Europe? I thought that they both didn't do that? If thats the case then I don't see a problem. Also VS could be a good feeder for LH from UK into Europe.
If VS did join Star then it would mean 3 carriers with the hearing bone shaped completely flat business class seats! standardisation across fleets is a good efficiency and marketing strategy! VS, NZ, AC. Perhaps UA might follow since they are looking at doing a complete revamp and standardisation of their business class. Imagine that... (not sure if VS would let them though since they own the license)
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3131 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5109 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 12): Does LH fly US-UK? Does VS fly US-Europe?
Last time I checked, the United Kingdom was part of Europe. Except for the MAN-MCO route, VS does not fly any non-London - US route.
VS has a competitive advantage for London - US routes as they offer it non-stop, whereas LH has this advantage from FRA or MUC. From many other European airports, they are defenitely competitors.
ALthough I could not find fares for this on their website, VS mentions they codeshare with BD for European destinations:
Quote:
We have carefully co-ordinated our schedules with bmi in order to offer convenient connections between Alicante, Amsterdam, Brussels, Dublin, Hanover, Madrid, Milan, Naples, Nice, Palma, Paris and Venice and many of our Heathrow services.
For any of these cities to the US, LH and VS are competitors. Even for LHR-US - if LH offers a good cost advantage, people will consider flying LHR-FRA-USA.
Wdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 958 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5076 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 12): Does LH fly US-UK? Does VS fly US-Europe? I thought that they both didn't do that? If thats the case then I don't see a problem. Also VS could be a good feeder for LH from UK into Europe.
If VS did join Star then it would mean 3 carriers with the hearing bone shaped completely flat business class seats! standardisation across fleets is a good efficiency and marketing strategy! VS, NZ, AC. Perhaps UA might follow since they are looking at doing a complete revamp and standardisation of their business class. Imagine that... (not sure if VS would let them though since they own the license)
Possibly have Virgin and BMI merge too. Giving BMI profitable Long haul flights! ehh ehh!?!? maybe it could work.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7260 posts, RR: 45 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4814 times:
The alliance that will expand the fastest in the near future is SkyTeam. Tarom, MEA, COPA, Kenya and Air Europa will join as associate members. And Aeroflot as a full member. Let's see what happens with China Southern and Malaysian. I hope MH is invited as a full member rather than just an associate member since MH is a world-class airline that would finally give SkyTeam better access to Australia (KE's flights to BNE and SYD from ICN, and CO's flights to CNS from HNL are close to nothing).
Shamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6125 posts, RR: 15 Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4760 times:
This is a map of where all the airlines in the oneworld will be, apart from some of the members staying at T2...
It looks very impressive
Just a word on EK, they are thought to have an agreement with EI on 10 routes around Asia and the Middle East. EI will start flying DUB-DXB on March 28th but there has been no news on the agreement yet.
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4528 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4444 times:
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 17): Just a word on EK, they are thought to have an agreement with EI on 10 routes around Asia and the Middle East. EI will start flying DUB-DXB on March 28th but there has been no news on the agreement yet.
Yeah, hence why Bangkok and other cities popped up on the Aer Lingus web page as codeshare flights with EK that lets you only get so far before hitting an error
I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
Copa737DFW From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4179 times:
Is Copa ever going to join Sky Team????
Organization is for people who are to lazy too look for things.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3246 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 5): Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 2):
9W + S2, AI + IC in India joining alliances.
My bets are on:
AI/IC - *A (given AI's close ties with LH, FFP partnership, FRA as an AI mini-hub etc.)
9W/S2 - could swing to either OW or ST (I hope they go to ST). I don't think there's much chance of this alliance on *A (once again - due to AI's existing ties to LH).
I wonder how the 9W/S2 will work with the AA codeshare....actually, given 9W's Indian presence and AA's United States presence, and BA's European presence, and CX's Asian presence, it might do good for 9W/S2 join OneWorld....
Copa737DFW From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
Bombayhog From United States of America, joined May 2001, 554 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2924 times:
What is the meaning of being an "associate member" exactly? I guess that it's something involving less integration than in the case of a full member, but does an associate member still offer reciprocal FF program, elite-qualifying miles, etc? Thanks!
25 Joost: AFAIK, an associate member offers the same services to the customer, but has less influence in the decision and voting process within the alliance.
26 EnviroTO: Joining in 2006-2007: - Malev - Royal Jordinian - Japan Airlines My guesses on the OneWorld starting with most probable and ending with well aligned b
27 Cure: I guess more than rumors: CZ (biggest chinese company in terms of pax and cargo) is going to join "the Team": http://www.skyteam.com/CZ/aboutSkyteam/
28 CrazyHorse: I had read an very interesting article in the last "Format" (a business weekly journal from Austria) with the CEO of Emirates Sheik Ahmed, which had
29 ClassicLover: Interestingly enough, the girl I sit next to at work raves about Malev! I am not surprised they are joining oneworld. They have a good service standa
30 Kiwiandrew: FJ , I believe , have decided that the costs of full membership would outweigh the benefits of OW membership ...if OW ever decides to bring in a lowe
31 MH017: KLM had published in their staff-publication "Wolkenridder" some weeks ago, CZ will join Skyteam in October/November 2006...
32 CPH757: " target=_blank>http://www.skyteam.com/CZ/aboutSkyte...4.jsp Exactly..but that one is from 2004, hence the request for any news
33 Aisak: As said by Joost, an associate is part of the alliance but does not have any representative in the alliance "council".... They also have to adopt one
34 Joost: Where did you get this information from? Never heard about this and I also do not see the need behind it. Kenya already joined Flying Dutchman a long
35 ZRH: This sounds interesting. I think anyway that there are too many Star Alliance airlines arround here. LH, LX, OS,
36 Aisak: Frequent Flyer Reciprocity: Associate Airlines will adopt the frequent flyer program of one of the Member airlines. This step will help expedite the
37 Cure: This is the newest (free) update I could find on it: http://transportation.firmafrance.co...trech=16&id_site_rech=31&maxrow=34 allthough in this arti
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- Set to join as soon as possible.
- set to become part of the alliance in early 2007.
- set to join at the turn of 2006/2007.
- will become a member this year
- will become a member this year
- I read on a.net that they are set to join in April this year.
- to become 'Associate Member' in mid 2007.
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