AAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10746 times:
are they going to renovate the interiors leave them as is or are they replacing them. i know they have started to put winglets on them. but are they doing anything besides that? does anybody know how much these winglets are going to help the efficiency of these aircraft.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5757 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10723 times:
At CO, we've put winglets on a number of 757's, and the efficiency has gone up quite a bit (although how much exactly I dont remember). I'm sure AA is realizing the efficiencies of the winglets as well.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5757 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10638 times:
Quoting AA767400 (Reply 4): Plans for the European routes and additional aircraft with winglets have been put on hold. This is due to financial advisers wanting AA to make a profit before going on any expansion/projects.
I know we don't get along on anything, but I am wondering, did AA ever start a JFK-UK (I can't remember which destination) route with the 757's? If so, how is it going?
that must be why there are airlines and manufacturers going to the expense of putting them on 737NG, 757, 787 and E145XR aircraft, and investigating them for 767, 747, A320, MD80 and other applications.
Because there is minor, if any benefit to them.
Throwing away money for the hell of it.
Or maybe they actually do work as advertised?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 79
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10331 times:
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10): Very nice pics! Wow, I've never seen the winglets for AA. Very cool indeed.
Course! AA is still studying the 738 they fitted for the program. Alot of the pilots I talk to at AA say they really can't tell much of a difference, cept for some added range on the 752s...because of this pilot feedback, technical planners for the fleet are not committing anymore resources at this time.
The whole idea behind the program was to start using those etops 75W to fly to Europe out of JFK. Obviously with NCL crashing before takeoff this concept is stalled for the momment.
Alot of the transcon flying between LAX/SFO-BOS/JFK/MIA/MCO are using the 75W.
QQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2332 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10266 times:
There are no plans currently for upgrading the interior of the 757. A little history for ya... prior to 9/11 AA was in the process of retroffiting the cabins of all the fleet types (except 777 and 737 as they were delivered with the new interior). The MD-80 project was complete and the F-100s were just getting started (15 conversions had been ordered) when 9/11 happened. The 757 was next. Since the financials have been in the toilet since, there hasn't been any money to upgrade the interiors.
Now, there have been things that have happened since to upgrade some interiors, like the eight A300s with new interiors. Those used to be three class planes used for trans-Atlantic routes and when they were re-configured two-class, they kept the same coach seats (which were nice with headrests for the long flights) but added new covers to them. First class got all new seats and the aircraft got a new video system.
All A300s and 757s are getting new seat covers in coach as the old ones are no longer available. Most, if not all, 757s and A300s have the new seat covers. The new seat covers match the rest of the fleet -- dark blue. Now money is being spent to upgrade the business class product on 763s and 777s, but that has to happen to keep up with the competition... AA stands to lose money and may already be losing money because of the inferior j-class product. Once the new seats come online, AA can stop that loss, reverse it and actually make more money with the new product. It goes with the old saying, "you've got to spend money to make money." The increase in revenue here is greater than any revenue potential from upgrading coach cabins.
I doubt seriouslly we'll see any futher improvements to the A300 fleet. They simply won't be around long enough to justify new interiors (that is if they retire beginning in 2007/2008 as their leases come up). The 757, well, there has been some chatter from the company that if we do indeed begin flying them to more second tier European destinations out of JFK/BOS, that the first class cabin (j-class on international flights) would get new seats reducing capacity there from 22 to 12 or 14. There was also mention of new galleys to save on weight, but there wasn't any discussion on coach. I would hope there would be some improvements, like new seats, maybe even increase pitch in coach. But that's speculation.
For now, the European expansion is on hold. AA was to start JFK-Newcastle within the next couple of months, but that has been delayed indefinately. Currently the 757 is being flown from BOS to Manchester and BOS to Shannon... those are the only trasatlantic routes for the 757 currently.
No plans have been announced to introduce more winglets, however, their benefits are still being evaluated and will be for some time to come.
The views expressed are mine alone and do not necessarily reflect my employer’s views.
HBIHLtoEZE From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 282 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9076 times:
One thing that is very much from the 80s - the golden postmodern age with its awkward machines (I haven't witnessed it on other airline than AA) is that the FAs on the 757 and 767- 200s always have to put a tape in a recorder located at the back of the aircraft.
As AA furloughed most of the younger FAs this procedure has its tragicomical elements when elderly FAs have to stretch and insert the tape...One nice lady around 60 once bumped with her bum into me when trying (I was sitting in the last row on the aisle seat, 34F I believe) to get that bloody thing working, when she lost heer haold and landed on me. She was embarassed and apologized one hundred times or so. Educational values were much better put across some 40 years ago...
Don't get me wrong I like AA and even though this surreal journey going back to the 80s somehow pleases me, they should probably do something about the outdated electronic systems on board of the 757s...in order to relieve the 55+ FAs...
The 757 is already a great aircraft, with winglets, however, it becomes a gracious wondermachine (and rather conceals the fact that it was designed when Carter was president...)
Maybe for the individual aircraft, but if you add up the money saved for all of the flights over the course of a year, and then add in the rest of the fleet with winglets (not many for AA right now, some for CO) you get a lot more than minor savings.
Quoting Planespotting (Reply 22):
word on the street (and in the design shop) is that winglet gives an aircraft 3-6% greater fuel efficiency on a sliding scale depending on the length of the flight.
With fuel prices the way they are these days, Im sure every little bit helps!
LMP737 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 4957 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7145 times:
Quoting FXramper (Reply 8): Course! AA is still studying the 738 they fitted for the program. Alot of the pilots I talk to at AA say they really can't tell much of a difference, cept for some added range on the 752s...because of this pilot feedback, technical planners for the fleet are not committing anymore resources at this time.
AA has decided to fit all their 737's with winglets.
Gkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 25330 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7088 times:
Quoting FXramper (Reply 8): The whole idea behind the program was to start using those etops 75W to fly to Europe out of JFK. Obviously with NCL crashing before takeoff this concept is stalled for the momment.
Rumours are CO are looking at NCL-EWR for a Summer 07 start
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