AT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5098 times:
If it has been posted I never saw it. Very interesting- I hope the suites become reality. The only thing that would bother me is the fact that there are no windows- I guess I'm old fashioned but I like to look at the countryside go by- at least on take off and landing.
Also these suites make joining the mile high club a lot more comfy
Siromega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5089 times:
Heh, I watched that video last night. Its interesting to see how much unused space is really up there. I dont know if its really fesiable from a cost perspective though. Maybe if I'm on a flight from LAX to SYD or something I'd want to make use of an economy suite, but I'm sure the airlines would want some astronomical fee to use it.
Also, I should say that the only one that'll probably be implemented is the upper deck galley, since it is the only thing that will directly impact revenue for airlines, in that they can add more seats.
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 44 Reply 5, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4772 times:
Quoting AT502B (Reply 1): Also these suites make joining the mile high club a lot more comfy
Well you will have to be a quiet, since there doesn't appear to be much privacy.
Quoting Siromega (Reply 2): Heh, I watched that video last night. Its interesting to see how much unused space is really up there. I dont know if its really fesiable from a cost perspective though. Maybe if I'm on a flight from LAX to SYD or something I'd want to make use of an economy suite, but I'm sure the airlines would want some astronomical fee to use it.
My only question is the weight for these loft options.
Quoting Siromega (Reply 2): Also, I should say that the only one that'll probably be implemented is the upper deck galley, since it is the only thing that will directly impact revenue for airlines, in that they can add more seats.
Everything Boeing showed adds revenue, as the idea for the suites is to sell them as a premium option.
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Airwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4725 times:
Quoting Boeing nut (Thread starter): Neat stuff. Some ideas may never see the light of day, but still interesting to watch. Enjoy.
Gotta love marketing goods that are all about possibilities, not probabillities, lol.
Except for a music score straight out of Ocean's 11, that video was fantastic.
A couple observations:
That 3-4-3 seating arrangement seemed pretty standard--any extra width to those seats?
Those Premium Suites are gorgeous! I really really *really* hope at least one airline goes with thim...and that one day I can afford to fly in one! Lol.
While cardio-bikes on a commercial airliner have a nice "ooooo" factor, wouldn't it be more likely that an airline that can afford to put bikes on their planes can also afford to have an airport club with an exercise room?
The Business Class Suites seems like a rather comfortable combination of the Premium Suite and the Premium Passenger Lounge. Might be a good compromise and allow the airlines to squeeze more pax on. Didn't see any sort of tray table, though.
Economy Suites reminded me of those "cabins" on the transit ship from "The Fifth Element"...without Chris Tucker or sleep gas, lol.
Crew Rest seemed quite spacious! Almost wastefully so. (No offense intended to deserving crew members, of course!)
Quoting AT502B (Reply 1): The only thing that would bother me is the fact that there are no windows- I guess I'm old fashioned
I had the same thought, too, when I saw all those cabins. I'm probably wrong, but I thought windows were "required" in some law or something...what the heck am I thinking of?!
Kinda silly, but did anyone else notice how the TV monitors in the Premium Suites section were playing the same footage sequence we see of the exterior at the end?
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DTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1309 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4609 times:
Neat video for sure. I would like to know what the plan is for emergency exits from that loft area though. I didn't really notice any shown in the video but maybe I missed them.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 71 Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4521 times:
Quoting AT502B (Reply 1): The only thing that would bother me is the fact that there are no windows- I guess I'm old fashioned but I like to look at the countryside go by- at least on take off and landing.
Quoting DTW757 (Reply 7): I would like to know what the plan is for emergency exits from that loft area though.
The SkySuites could not be occupied during takeoff and landing because emergency evacuation is impossible. The rule might be that they can only be used above 10,000 feet altitude.
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4078 posts, RR: 32 Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4471 times:
While it looks enticing, even from a revenue generation standpoint, all I could see was a lot of additional weight with all of the features shown. How many airlines does Boeing expect to take advantage of all of those features? It kind of reminds me of Airbus' original 380 marketing that touted all kinds of amenities...in La La Land.
Brendan03 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4305 times:
I'm in love!
I love what they've done with the interior of the 747-8 - It's definetly much more Open and clean feeling than the current 747s... Although that said This is still only the manufacturers concept...
I think my favorite thing in that video was the windows next to the grand staircase...
I could definetly see myself sipping a coffee and discussing business plans in that Premium passenger lounge - although the thing that does concern me is the lack of emergency exits as previously mentioned...
Another thing, Is the 747-8 going to be using the same Cabin-Climate settings as the 787? (Closer to sea level cabin pressure and higher humidity?)
I really hope this 747 varient gets some more orders soon!
Symphonik From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4254 times:
A question for those more familiar with international airlines: isn't this all just a pipe dream? It seems that with few exceptions (i.e. cocktail lounges on some widebodies), airlines pretty much adhere to the philosophy of "cram-as-many-seats-as-we-can" -- though some airlines offer [very] nice arrangements for premium passengers, it seems things like economy suites and large premium lounges would exceed the level of service they are willing to provide.
The short version: are the most space-consuming elements of these interior arrangements really viable even on the non-American airlines?
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 71 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4224 times:
Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 10): Is the 747-8 going to be using the same Cabin-Climate settings as the 787? (Closer to sea level cabin pressure and higher humidity?)
All JumboJets (including the -400 and -8) have 7000 foot cabin altitude, compared with 6000 foot for the B787 and 8000 foot for other airliners.
Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 10):
I really hope this 747 varient gets some more orders soon!
More orders? So far, it has no orders.
Quoting Symphonik (Reply 11): A question for those more familiar with international airlines: isn't this all just a pipe dream? It seems that with few exceptions (i.e. cocktail lounges on some widebodies), airlines pretty much adhere to the philosophy of "cram-as-many-seats-as-we-can" -- though some airlines offer [very] nice arrangements for premium passengers, it seems things like economy suites and large premium lounges would exceed the level of service they are willing to provide.
Airlines cannot put seats in this attic space because it cannot meet the evacuation requirements for passenger seating. The rule will probably be something like "no passengers up there when below 10,000 feet altitude." Therefore, the space is either used as the video shows are goes unused. This arrangement allows more seats to be packed onto the maindeck.
Oroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4176 times:
couldnt they install windows up top? Aslong as they keep them between the structural ribbing, shouldnt be a problem.
The premium suites are interesting, but the Premium Passenger Lounge seems like a seller (atleast I would pay for that on a extreem long haul flight). A place to play cards, or to streach your legs, or surf the net while you fly. It would be worth the money to not have to sit in one seat for hours on end. I still think it needs windows though. Wouldnt tha be cool though? A 747-8 with windows on its back?
Brendan03 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4158 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12): More orders? So far, it has no orders.
There aren't? Sorry, I was under the impression ANA had ordered some cargo varients - Mybad I guess
What about the 747-400? What do they have up in the space? It does seem like a waste of revenue to have it all empty up there? A netcafe or sky lounge would be a great idea... I was discussing with a friend ages ago what a great idea it would be to have a little lounge on a plane where you could go up there and have a coffee and/or a cocktail... Didn't the 747-100s used to have this originally? named the "Observation deck"? - They could be onto something here...
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 20630 posts, RR: 62 Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4124 times:
I agree with Oroka. I think ultimately, a premium pax lounge with bar and restroom, behind that the sky galley, and behind that the crew rest, is the most you'll see of this space.
Doing that would allow for more revenue seats downstairs with no storage galleys needed, and for airlines like VS, no bar eating up space and causing noise for other pax.
Maybe there would be a small business meeting room possibility too, as there are companies that would rent this space out for a trip. As long as the fixtures inside where nominal in weight, since you are already outfitting the skydeck, it might make sense.
I like the bubble wall on entry. According to Airbus, there are similar ideas by some customers on the A380, so Boeing didn't throw that in out of the blue.
And the color changing during the video was cool, too, but that's not novel to the 748, of course.
As for the Y seating, still freaking tight, and unless they do some tricks with insulation and wall panels like they did with the 787, there's no place to grab extra inches. But at 10 abreast, even 1" on each side would make a difference, adding 0.2" to the width of the seats. On the narrow 747 Y seats, that's a lot!
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Airwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 14): Didn't the 747-100s used to have this originally? named the "Observation deck"? - They could be onto something here...
I've thought along these lines for a while now. In my mind, I think passengers would be willing to put up with cramped seats and narrow row pitch if they knew that a place to get up and strech their legs, get a fresh drink, freshen up, &c were availiable. Of course, not everyone is going to take advantage of this all at the same time; people will be sleeping, watching movies, eating, or other wise occupying their time.
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Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 71 Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4096 times:
Quoting Oroka (Reply 13): couldnt they install windows up top? Aslong as they keep them between the structural ribbing, shouldnt be a problem.
Adding windows would add weight.
Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 14): I was under the impression ANA had ordered some cargo varients
There have been 10 B747-8Fs ordered by Cargolux and 8 B747-8Fs ordered by ANA. Since this thread is about interiors, I thought you meant the passenger version, for which there are not yet any announced orders.
Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 14): What about the 747-400? What do they have up in the space? It does seem like a waste of revenue to have it all empty up there?
Brendan03 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4064 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 17): There have been 10 B747-8Fs ordered by Cargolux and 8 B747-8Fs ordered by ANA. Since this thread is about interiors, I thought you meant the passenger version, for which there are not yet any announced orders.
Sorry, I do tend do trail off sometimes...
being that there are orders for freighters... It does mean that the 747-8 Project won't close immediatly due to lack of interest (Maybe the passenger varient might die off and then interest will come back later?)
I think the main problem with this is Boeing took too long to announce this so all the orders for a VLA went to Airbus...
I guess Unless Boeing can claim a much lower operating cost... this plane isn't going to have a huge future...
QXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2364 posts, RR: 6 Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4043 times:
Awesome video! I am assuming that in these suits there is some sort of seat belt in the bed? haha. I am just thinking because of turbulence *Ding!*. What do you do now? "Ladies and Gentlement, we are experiancing some turbulance for the next 25 min or so on our flight from NRT-SFO. Please fasten your seatbelts as the sign is on. Thank you"
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 71 Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4038 times:
Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 18):
being that there are orders for freighters... It does mean that the 747-8 Project won't close immediatly due to lack of interest (Maybe the passenger varient might die off and then interest will come back later?)
I think the main problem with this is Boeing took too long to announce this so all the orders for a VLA went to Airbus...
There are still many hundreds of JumboJets in service for which replacements have not yet been chosen. The plausible replacements are (in increasing size) A340-600, B777-300ER, -8 JumboJet, and the WhaleJet.
Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 18):
I guess Unless Boeing can claim a much lower operating cost... this plane isn't going to have a huge future...
Actually, Boeing need only match Airbus on both range and CASM to win most of the orders. When both range and CASM are equal, the smaller aircraft is more attractive to airlines due to the increased operational flexibility and lower risk.
Brendan03 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3984 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 20): Actually, Boeing need only match Airbus on both range and CASM to win most of the orders. When both range and CASM are equal, the smaller aircraft is more attractive to airlines due to the increased operational flexibility and lower risk.
Also, The 747-8 has the ability to land at the airports which can't afford the A380 Widening works so Boeing also have that to their benefit too...
I'm neither a Boeing nor Airbus basher but I would like to see the 747-8 do good... I'm hoping to see Qantas express more interest in this project...
Anyone know if the 787 will have Commonality with the 747-8 like the A330/A350 will with the A340/A380?
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 71 Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3963 times:
Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 21): The 747-8 has the ability to land at the airports which can't afford the A380 Widening works so Boeing also have that to their benefit too...
There are 210 airports that can support regular operations of the JumboJet.
Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 21): I would like to see the 747-8 do good... I'm hoping to see Qantas express more interest in this project...
There is a chance QF might order the new JumboJet. LH and SQ are also possible buyers.
Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 21): Anyone know if the 787 will have Commonality with the 747-8 like the A330/A350 will with the A340/A380?
Airbus maintain a greater degree of cockpit commonality among models than do Boeing.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 71 Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3915 times:
Quoting OyKIE (Reply 23): Also does anyone know if the new PIA 772LR offers somethin like this for their passengers?
No, the B777 does not have enough space in the overhead for passengers. It wouldn't get certified. Same with the B787, there is enough space to certify for crew, but not for passengers.
25 DTW757: Yep I thought about that later on and I bet you're right.
27 Boeing Nut: One option that I would bet on is galley storage. Any way an airline can put more seats on an aircraft, they'll do it. If you look at this Boeing layo
28 Thebry: I wonder what the airlines will do with regard to security in these suites, and other areas non-traditional cabin areas. Anyone know how they'll be ab
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