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User currently offlineFaustino927 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4497 times:

Hi everyone. I am going on a trip to Shannon, Ireland on June 5th, 2006.
We are traveling with American Airlines from Boston and the aircraft that is assigned to that flight is a Boeing 757. I was wondering if any of you out there have taken this flight. It seems to me that the Boeing 757 is a bit small for a transatlantic flight. Thanks  Smile


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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4483 times:

Is it big enough for a transcontinental US flight in your opinion?

User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4477 times:

Quoting Faustino927 (Thread starter):
It seems to me that the Boeing 757 is a bit small for a transatlantic flight.

Don't worry about that. The 757-200 has a range of 3900 Nautical Miles, well beyond that of BOS-SNN. Other airlines that fly the 752 transatlantically are CO and soon US. CO flies routes such as EWR-TXL and EWR-OSL on 752s. It might take a little while to get used to the fact that a single aisle is flying across the pond, but they are fine. By the way, welcome to airliners.net  Smile



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User currently offlineFaustino927 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4477 times:

Quoting Philb (Reply 1):

I was hoping for a B777. Oh well. Can't wait to see Ireland anyways.  Smile



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4463 times:

The eastbound flight is likely to have an airborne time of around 5 hrs 30 depending on tail winds. The return leg is likely to be around 6 hours 30 to 6 hrs 45.

Not that long on a single aisle aircraft and it's only 36 years since we all had to fly the Atlantic (and the Pacific) on single aisle aircraft.


User currently offlineCardiffairtaxi From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting Faustino927 (Thread starter):

Continental operate a daily EWR-BRS using a 757-200


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4430 times:

Faustino927,

I hope you enjoy your trip to this neck of the woods.

Some points. If you are driving, apart from driving on the opposite side of the road, some of our roads here are in poor condition so watch for the potholes and don't be fooled by the new roads around Shannon - they give a false impression!!

Expect a friendly, warm welcome (but don't count on the weather) and try to remember that, going back to the roads, journey times are longer than in the US as many towns are not bypassed and though the speed limits are similar, most roads are one lane in each direction.

If you haven't got family or friends here and are not following a professional tour itinerary, the best advice is not to expect to cover too much ground in a short time.

Part of the charm of the place is the slowness of life, especially in the west - Dublin is somewhat different!!

[Edited 2006-03-26 20:21:14]

User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4430 times:

Let's not forget the assortment of private aircraft (Boeing BBJs and Citations come to mind) hopping all over the Atlantic. They're all single aisle.


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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting Cardiffairtaxi (Reply 5):
Continental operate a daily EWR-BRS using a 757-200

CO operate the following routes on a B752:
CLE:
LGW (seasonal)
EWR:
BCN
CGN
CPH
LGW (Seasonal 3rd flight this summer.)
AMS
BFS
TXL
BHX
BRS
DUB
SNN
EDI
GLA
LIS
MAN
OSL
CDG
ARN
GVA (They've subbed. Maybe even scheduled at one point, but not sure.)

CO also runs their 752s (and 753s, while we're at it) to the west coast- LAX, SFO, SEA, etc. on flights that are routinely longer than their eastbound Trans-Atlantic counterparts. People don't know the difference, and most don't care as long as their ticket was cheap.
Fact is, you don't have any more room in a 777 than you do on a 757, aside from the headroom, which shouldn't be an issue anyway. People make such a big deal out of something (narrowbodies across the pond) that was the norm just 25-30 years ago. If you want a widebody to places like OSL and CGN, you're welcome to connect at the nearest hub. Otherwise, don't complain about direct flights- they operate for a reason.


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4333 times:

MAN is a second daily flight , the other is a 767-400

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4328 times:

Quoting Philb (Reply 9):
MAN is a second daily flight , the other is a 767-400

I know that. The MAN, AMS, LGW (from EWR only), and CDG are all supplemental flights, with the other one (or two, in LGW-EWR's case) being a widebody 767 or 777.


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3010 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4314 times:

I think most of us prefer international long haul widebodies to domestic narrowbodies. AA's BOS-SNN flights are domestic confinguration. I would not want to be on that flight, and I would reroute myself accordingly.

No, nothing wrong with the plane. Perfectly acceptable. But not preferable.



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4304 times:

AA also use the B757 on it's seasonal BOS-MAN route, which is somewhat further than BOS-SNN. The B757 is perfectly capable of operating East Coast US- Western Europe flights. As others have already mentioned, CO operate a far more extensive B757 transatalantic operation.

And for those who turn their nose up in disgust at single-aisled transatlantic ops, remember that B707's/DC-8's/VC-10's did it for donkeys years and everyone thought it was the lap of luxury!



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User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4294 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 11):
I think most of us prefer international long haul widebodies to domestic narrowbodies. AA's BOS-SNN flights are domestic confinguration. I would not want to be on that flight, and I would reroute myself accordingly.

No, nothing wrong with the plane. Perfectly acceptable. But not preferable.

I can see your point if it were a simple narrow body v wide body argument, but what is the difference between 5 or 6 hours or so on a domestic flight, or one of AA's 757 flights to South America and a flight to SNN? The time on board is the same?


User currently offlineXjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2448 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 7):
Let's not forget the assortment of private aircraft (Boeing BBJs and Citations come to mind) hopping all over the Atlantic. They're all single aisle.

LOL. I would gladly fly aboard a single aisle G-5 instead of a 757 any day of the week.  Silly

XJR



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User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 959 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

The other relevant issue is that AA use the 757 presumably because loads do not justify something larger. It is unlikely that the company could sustain a viable year-round daily service BOS-SNN with 767 or 777 equipment.

User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

Quoting Irish251 (Reply 15):
The other relevant issue is that AA use the 757 presumably because loads do not justify something larger. It is unlikely that the company could sustain a viable year-round daily service BOS-SNN with 767 or 777 equipment.

Indeed, the flightn isn't even daily in the winter.

However both the seasonal MAN-BOS and the SNN-BOS and v v are regarded by AA as very profitable.


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Quoting Xjramper (Reply 14):
LOL. I would gladly fly aboard a single aisle G-5 instead of a 757 any day of the week. Silly

Ahh, wouldn't we all? Lol.

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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1219 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

I understand what your saying. My biggest frustration with the 757 on that route, is that it doesn't have an international flagship product on it. You are flying on a regular domestic 757 on that flight. The first class on those flights seems very similar to the international coach on most of AA's other flights. Its no fun crossing the pond without a legrest, and the coach seats aren't comfortable enough for a flight that long, I don't think.

[Edited 2006-03-26 22:26:52]


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User currently offlinePanAm92 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3982 times:
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Just look at it as you are flying in the 60's and 70's when we used to fly on 707. DC-8, VC-10.

User currently offlineAeroman62 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Quoting PanAm92 (Reply 19):
Just look at it as you are flying in the 60's and 70's when we used to fly on 707. DC-8, VC-10.

Only with about 3 - 5 less inches of leg room, welcome to air travel in the 21st century. There is a VC10 at an air museum near Cambridge, that you can go onboard, the coach pitch is astounding, first class on CO domestic has less leg room. Those were the days! Such are the times we live in.


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2153 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 8):
GVA (They've subbed. Maybe even scheduled at one point, but not sure.)

GVA has never been a scheduled destination for 752. Always been 762 since the launch. In fact when the flight subs it mostly is a 764 (done quite frequently).


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

I've flown AA on the MAN-BOS route and it's perfectly fine. It's hardly long haul at 7 hours.


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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3010 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Quoting Philb (Reply 13):
I can see your point if it were a simple narrow body v wide body argument, but what is the difference between 5 or 6 hours or so on a domestic flight, or one of AA's 757 flights to South America and a flight to SNN? The time on board is the same?

Look, if I am flying IAD-LAX, I would rather be on UA's 777 than UA's 319!

Quoting PanAm92 (Reply 19):
Just look at it as you are flying in the 60's and 70's when we used to fly on 707. DC-8, VC-10.

Well, it's NOT the 60's and 70's! But let's say it were.... I would much rather sit in the roomier 707 in Y than the cramped 757 in Y.

Also, I don't think AA offers F on these flights. THe F cabin is for elites, but the service is Y service, correct?



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 23):
Well, it's NOT the 60's and 70's! But let's say it were.... I would much rather sit in the roomier 707 in Y than the cramped 757 in Y.

Overheard in 1962....

I wanted a 707 to SNN and all I got was a Connie!



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