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El Al Starts TLV-MIA Today  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

After years of making a stop in New York City, El Al today will inagurate new year-round non-stop service between Tel Aviv and Miami. El Al 101 will depart Tel Aviv just past midnight at 00.10, arriving in Miami the next morning at 7.20AM. The flight will be operated with a two-class 767-200ER. At 6603 miles, it is not only the longest route in the El Al network, but the longest 767 route in the world. Advanced bookings have far exceeded expectations, and a third, and possibly fourth weekly seasonal flight, will likely be added in time for the busier summer period.

Story and video from NBC2 Fort Myers:
http://www.nbc-2.com/articles/readaf...article.asp?articleid=6375&z=37&p=


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Ironically Delta also started "the only route to Israel from the Southeast" today.


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Has this led to a reduction in EWR flights? I know MIA services used to go through EWR


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

I hope the line will succeed.


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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

I think it will especially because most of this is O&D traffic. Good luck to them.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 4):
I think it will especially because most of this is O&D traffic

...but I'd imagine it's all very low yield traffic, on a very high cost aircraft (762).



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

I wouldn't say that, I was reading a couple of posts the week before saying there are a lot of Hebrews in MIA and a lot of them from TLV travel to Miami for vacation, the main thing is to take a look of the booking stats and if it's that backed up that's a good sign.


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

The 787 would be perfect for the route.
By the way, I prefer flying from TLV to MIA via EWR on a 777 than flying non stop TLV/MIA non stop with an old 767 with poor IFE.What do you think?



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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3829 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
...but I'd imagine it's all very low yield traffic, on a very high cost aircraft (762).

Actually, routes from the US and Canada to TLV are high yield and relatively high fare routes and the flights are mostly completely full.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3736 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 7):
The 787 would be perfect for the route.
By the way, I prefer flying from TLV to MIA via EWR on a 777 than flying non stop TLV/MIA non stop with an old 767 with poor IFE.What do you think?

I agree with you. LY does operate a very old aircraft on this long route (762ER). Why doesn't LY use the 772ER on this route? If the flight is that popular, why not offer more seats on this flight by using a larger more comfortable aircraft (772ER)?

I wish them all the best of course Big grin

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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3727 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 9):
If the flight is that popular, why not offer more seats on this flight by using a larger more comfortable aircraft (772ER)?

Don't have enough aircraft...They recently ordered 2 more 777s though. During the summer, NYC sees an insane number of weekly El Al flights.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3703 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 6):
I wouldn't say that, I was reading a couple of posts the week before saying there are a lot of Hebrews in MIA

Alot of Hebrews you say??

Hebrew is a language.
Jewish/Judaism is the religion and to an extent the culture.
Israeli is the nationality.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

I would think the next route slated for an equipment upgrade would be LAX/YYZ/TLV. However, I think the Canada/Israel would have to be tweaked, as there is a cap on the weekly maximum number of seats offered by both LY and AC. The T-7 has serviced YYZ, but if the seat cap is true, LY is going for frequency with the 767.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 8):
Actually, routes from the US and Canada to TLV are high yield and relatively high fare routes and the flights are mostly completely full.

Not to/from Florida!



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Not to/from Florida!

This isn't Jewish grandmother traffic; this is high-yielding business traffic, especially among the large Israeli population in MIA.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14):
This isn't Jewish grandmother traffic; this is high-yielding business traffic, especially among the large Israeli population in MIA.

I find that hard to believe with only two weekly frequencies.



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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7282 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 8):
Actually, routes from the US and Canada to TLV are high yield and relatively high fare routes and the flights are mostly completely full.

Not to/from Florida!

Miami has the second highest Jewish population of any city in the world after NYC. So what are you talking about. As siad frequency is expected to go up and it is not Low Yield traffic. There is money in this market thats for sure.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14):
This isn't Jewish grandmother traffic; this is high-yielding business traffic, especially among the large Israeli population in MIA.



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User currently offlinePetmbro From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

The enormous Jewish population and Israeli tourists in South Florida should make this a very successful route. If AA didn't screw up Tel Aviv after TWA they should've started MIA-TLV since the MIA hub could feed traffic from the west coast on to TLV without having to go through NYC, plus the strong O&D already there.


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Quoting Petmbro (Reply 17):
they should've started MIA-TLV since the MIA hub could feed traffic from the west coast on to TLV without having to go through NYC, plus the strong O&D already there.

Before the new immigration rules, they could have tapped South America-Israel traffic as well....


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 16):
Miami has the second highest Jewish population of any city in the world after NYC.

I grew up in Boca Raton, so believe-you-me I know.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 16):
As siad frequency is expected to go up and it is not Low Yield traffic. There is money in this market thats for sure.

All I'm saying is that I don't believe it's as high yield as you think it is, and it's being flown with an aircraft with very high unit costs. If an airline goes into an unrestricted market with two weekly flights on a two class aircraft (when they have aircraft with three classes), it's usually a good sign that it doesn't think it's high yield. El Al has been in Florida before, and it has left Florida before. It could very well work just fine, but I'm sceptical.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):

All I'm saying is that I don't believe it's as high yield as you think it is, and it's being flown with an aircraft with very high unit costs. If an airline goes into an unrestricted market with two weekly flights on a two class aircraft (when they have aircraft with three classes), it's usually a good sign that it doesn't think it's high yield. El Al has been in Florida before, and it has left Florida before. It could very well work just fine, but I'm sceptical.

It is being flown with a 762 because that is all they have to fly it right now. It will be a 772 and will increase in frequency when the equipment becomes available. If it was so low-yielding, then El Al would still do what they have been doing for more than a decade: fly MIA-EWR/JFK-TLV. They are going non-stop because the yield is there to do it, and the fact that they are using a low-capacity, high cost aircraft shows how they can operate this flight healthily using a low-density plane. Low-yielding markets rely on higher density planes to make up for the low ticket prices. There are huge business ties between Israel and Miami, especially in banking and pharamaceuticals, the flight will do very well.

El Al has been flying to Miami for nearly two decades. Even in the age of codeshares and new immigration rules, El Al still found it worthwhile to send a plane to Miami via Newark or JFK. Lack of aircraft and a rule that didn't allow pilots to fly more than 12 hours prevented the service from happening, outside of charter flights in the summer of 1996.

[Edited 2006-03-28 14:36:32]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Short article on the inagural with a picture:

http://www.traveldailynews.com/new.asp?newid=28727&subcategory_id=100



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

thanks for the article


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 16):
Miami has the second highest Jewish population of any city in the world after NYC.

Take a look at the bottom table. According to the table, South Florida (Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-West Palm Beach-Boca Raton) has the 3rd largest Jewish metropolitan population outside of Israel as of 2002. New York and Los Angeles were larger.
http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100...concepts/demography/demtables.html

Also found the following US state rankings according to the Census Bureau, were Florida comes in a distant 3rd to New York and California in total Jewish population.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Too bad none of our a.net photographers were there to take some pix and post them here !!!

25 ZCHANNEL : Why doesn't El AL fly to LAX on a non-stop basis? Why route the flight through Toronto (am I right about that)?
26 Laxintl : TLV-LAX would be a very long trip at over 7500miles not counting headwinds. For several seasons El Al operated a weekly oneway LAX-TLV nonstop with t
27 Gritzngravee : R U kidding me? You obviously don't know anyone who is Jewish LOL!!!!!! Every jewish kid i went to college with and the ones I'm friends with now, So
28 SLCUT2777 : As several posts above have noted, South Florida does have a very large Jewish population, especially in and around Boca Raton in southern Palm Beach
29 RJpieces : Why? MIA is the major business city with lots of Israelis; FLL is low-yielding tourist traffic. It is not Jewish population that matters!
30 MaverickM11 : Go away.
31 SLCUT2777 : FLL might be the destination of more cruise ship hoppers but it is gaining on MIA rapidly and is south Florida's #2 airport right after MIA. Besides
32 B752OS : What are you basing that on? MIA is not the #1 airport in Florida, MCO handled almost 3 million more pax in 2005 than did MIA. As it stands right now
33 Peteinmiami : Here we go again, the usual Miami bashing club is back to work!!!! Guys you are so predictable The good news at least for us the people like "FlyMIA"
34 B752OS : That's interesting you shoud say that, you take one look at my name and automatically think I am going to bash MIA? How did I just bash MIA the airpo
35 CRGsFuture : I'd say 4 times weekly, at most.
36 Post contains images FlyMIA : B752OS read the post more carefully he says South Florida's #2 airport not Florida's. He said nothing about the whole state. You are right MCO did ha
37 Post contains links MAH4546 : Different sources give different figures. Many sources put South Florida has number two, like this one: http://www.jewishboca.org/index.php?...h%20Fe
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