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Is US Airways Still Ordering The A330-200?  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5127 times:

Short question?

Is US Airways still receiving the order for 10 A330-200's as well as the A350's they have ordered? Or is the order for the A350's a further defurral for the 332 order.

I have checked several sources and can find no recent info on the A330-200 orders.

Here is US Airways' initial Press Release while in Chapter 11 first time round annoucning the order...

US AIRWAYS RESTRUCTURES AIRCRAFT PURCHASE AGREEMENTS

ARLINGTON, Va., Jan. 31, 2003 -- US Airways and Airbus have reached an agreement in principle to restructure US Airways' existing orders for A330 and A320 family aircraft. The new agreement will enable US Airways to complement its existing fleet of A330-300 aircraft with A330-200 aircraft, and better match its future fleet of A320 family aircraft for domestic single-aisle operations. It would substitute a new firm order for 10 A330-200 aircraft and 19 A320 family aircraft for existing firm orders of one Airbus A330-300 and 37 A320 family aircraft.

."We have a great partnership with Airbus, as demonstrated by this agreement," said US Airways President and Chief Executive Officer David Siegel. "Long-term, we see Airbus playing an important role in our company's future, and this agreement confirms our commitment to begin taking delivery of new aircraft once we are in a better financial position."

Separately, US Airways has filed a motion with the bankruptcy court seeking relief from lease obligations from a variety of financial institutions for up to 29 A320 family aircraft currently operating in the US Airways fleet. If granted, this will give the airline significant flexibility to complete lease restructuring negotiations and determine the final make-up of it fleet upon emergence from bankruptcy.

As part of the company's current fleet plan, US Airways will continue to operate no fewer than 279 aircraft upon emergence from bankruptcy.


Then while reading Airbus' press release for the A350's for US Airways it makes no mention of the 332's.

US AIRWAYS FIRMS UP ORDER FOR 20 A350's

Following a commitment announced in May 2005 by US Airways and America West, US Airways Group - the merged entity of the two low-cost carriers - has firmed up their order and signed the contract for 20 Airbus A350 aircraft. The airline has not yet announced its engine selection or seating configuration for the aircraft. US Airways' intention is for the A350 to broaden its international service from both the eastern and western United States. Deliveries of the aircraft will begin in 2011 and run through 2014.

"When we restructured the airline, we knew we would need a new aircraft to grow with us, and the A350 truly fits the bill," said Doug Parker, chairman, president and chief executive officer of the newly merged US Airways. "As both halves of our heritage include Airbus fleets, we have great confidence in the brand, and look forward to an airplane that meets our needs for range, economy, and comfort, while offering our crews technology with which they are already experienced."

In addition to a single-aisle fleet of some 200 Airbus aircraft, US Airways flies nine A330 widebodies, the pilots of which will need no additional training to transition to the A350. The cockpit commonality between the two aircraft allow pilots of the A330 and A350 to share the same type rating.

"US Airways is our first U.S. airline customer for the A350, and we know they are leading a trend," said Gustav Humbert, President and Chief Executive Officer of Airbus. "We designed the aircraft in direct reaction to airline requests, offering more range and new materials to lighten the load and better the fuel economy. The A350 will be an ideal complement to the existing US Airways fleet."

Orders and commitments for the A350 currently total 155 from eleven customers worldwide. Following a launch of the aircraft programme in October of this year, the first A350 is scheduled to be delivered in 2010. The A350 will seat between 253-300 passengers in three classes, with a range of up to 8,800 nautical miles.


[Edited 2006-03-27 22:01:58]

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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4481 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

They are still on the books for delivery in 2009. There is an option to convert to the A350 if they wish, but I think it all depends on how desperately they'll need to get the 767s replaced.


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User currently offlineMah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

One can safely assume that the A330-200 order is still intact, since there has been no further updates on the order. However, it feels like we have waiting a long time for those planes to be delivered.

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

I thought they had been converted to A-350 orders as part of the new financing deal....


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4923 times:

no... US doesn't run the A332s... It is all a figment of your imagination...  hypnotized 


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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4885 times:

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 1):
They are still on the books for delivery in 2009.

I wonder what the current lead time is for a couple of 332s if US decided to accelerate delivery and AB agreed.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4481 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

From all the talk, it looks like for the next couple years the only "new" planes coming in are used 757s and the new Embraer 190s.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3963 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

No, there are still going to be A319 and A320 deliveries.

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 7):
No, there are still going to be A319 and A320 deliveries.

That is what I thought myself. They are purchasing A320 family aircraft to eventually replace the 737 aircraft I believe...



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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
That is what I thought myself. They are purchasing A320 family aircraft to eventually replace the 737 aircraft I believe...

According to the Airbus Orders & Deliveries page, there are still about 20 of the A320 family to be delivered.

The thing is, they have 67 active 737s (all 2/3/400s) with an average age of about 17 years, and what's more, they have 60 in storage. So, my question is, once the higher-time 737s are phased out and retired outright, will US just allow a reduction in the overall mainline fleet size or will they place another order in the small- to medium-range category?

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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3963 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

You can bet they will be ordering more, but no huge batches as they probably want to see how the E-190 pans out. We all know there is a point at which an airline simply has too many mainline (ok, bigger than E-190 size) planes flying around.

User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 10):
You can bet they will be ordering more, but no huge batches as they probably want to see how the E-190 pans out.

Good point, I completely forgot about the E-190s, lol.

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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 9):
The thing is, they have 67 active 737s (all 2/3/400s)

I thought US already phased out the supremely aged 732s, but I could be wrong...



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User currently offlineMah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Well it seems there is no answer to the 332's. I wonder what's really going on.

User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 12):
I thought US already phased out the supremely aged 732s, but I could be wrong...

No no, you're absolutely right. A miskey on my part. Oops!  guilty 

US no longer has any 732s in service and I think they've sold or scrapped most of them. They did transfer a bunch to Metrojet at one point, and I have no clue what the fate of those birds was. At this point, they only have 733s and -4s in the fleet, but some of those have been taken out of service, mostly as returns to lessors.

Really a great resource for all sorts of this info is airfleets.net. The particular page for US Airways is located here.

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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4481 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 7):
No, there are still going to be A319 and A320 deliveries.

I should have clarified my comments to point towards new orders, versus existing ones. You are right though on the narrowbodies still yet to come.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 12):
I thought US already phased out the supremely aged 732s, but I could be wrong...

HP got rid of the 732s a year or two ago. The US 732s vanished when TomatoJet, MJ, whatever you care to call it  Wink ... was grounded after 9/11.

Quoting Mah584jr (Reply 13):
Well it seems there is no answer to the 332's. I wonder what's really going on.

The A330-200s are still on the order books for delivery in 2009-2011. The A350s start coming in around 2011, but its still a paper airplane for now - so we'll see when it actually starts flying. So there is your answer...the 332s are coming, but it'll be a few more years. Hopefully a couple more 330s will pop up before then to help keep international service growing. At least Tempe seems to be committed to keeping US Airways an international airline.



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User currently offlineMah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

Thank you for your answer

User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 15):
At least Tempe seems to be committed to keeping US Airways an international airline.

As did Arlington before them, else they wouldn't have invested the money they did in the new 12-gate Terminal A-West (International) at PHL nor restructured that order for A333s into one for A332s as well.

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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4481 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 17):
As did Arlington before them, else they wouldn't have invested the money they did in the new 12-gate Terminal A-West (International) at PHL nor restructured that order for A333s into one for A332s as well.

I think there was some concern early on in the merger that the Tempe-originating team may abandon the international side and make US a typical LCC instead of the hybrid it is becoming.



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