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Dragonair And China Southern Near Miss Over HKG  
User currently offlineHS-LTA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 1999, 231 posts, RR: 1
Posted (15 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

News from net.
A Dragonair Airbus and a China Southern Boeing near miss over HKG. There was only 167m between 2 planes.

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User currently offlineB767-400er From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2000, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (15 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Haven't seen it, haven't heard it. It's news to me! more info. please!  


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (15 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

"Yahoo! Hong Kong - News Hong Kong Friday, August 11 8:34 AM SGT

"Jet safety scare off Lantau"
Two aircraft with almost 300 people aboard came within seconds of each other off Lantau, forcing at least one to change course, it emerged yesterday.
An almost-full Dragonair flight taking off for Beijing came within 170 metres of a China Southern Airlines jet heading for Guangzhou at about 7.30pm on Tuesday.

The pilots could each see the other aircraft through their windows, and alarms sounding in the cockpits - the last line of defence against a crash after two alerts have gone off on the ground - signalled that the planes were no more than 40 seconds from each other.

Two air traffic controllers on duty at Chek Lap Kok at the time had been taken off the job while the incident was investigated, the Civil Aviation Department said last night. An aviation source told the Post that a controller with limited experience was being trained at the time. The department refused to comment on this.

The incident was the second of its kind over Hong Kong this year. In January, a Dragonair flight arriving from Kaohsiung, Taiwan, changed course as it passed within a height of 274 metres of a SilkAir plane travelling in the opposite direction. Tuesday's incident was even closer - the planes were separated by a height of 167 metres, half of the 333-metre minimum required for safety.

Dragonair said Tuesday's flight KA904, an Airbus 321, had 188 passengers and nine crew on board when the Traffic Collision Avoidance System alarm went off in the cockpit.

The alarm, which only works if both aircraft are fitted with the system, first sounds when planes are within 40 seconds of each other and warns pilots to immediately change course. The system is part of a plane's radar warning system. Two levels of alarm will usually go off in air traffic control on the ground before the plane alarm kicks in.

The jets were 20km south-southwest of Chek Lap Kok, and were at about 3,300 metres.

Dragonair said last night: "The captain responded by taking appropriate action in line with operational procedure and the Airbus 321 aircraft continued its journey to Beijing without incident." A spokeswoman refused to comment on the potential safety threat.

A China Southern spokesman said flight 320 to Guangzhou, a Boeing 757 with about 80 passengers and 10 crew on board, was still climbing "a couple of minutes after take-off" when the incident occurred. He refused to say whether the pilot took evasive action to avoid a collision, saying it would be inappropriate to comment before an official investigation had been completed.

"China Southern recognises that there was a conflict. Most of these conflicts are some mistake by the pilots or air traffic control . . . I can't say how dangerous it was. I don't think it was very serious but all this should be [discussed] after the investigation."

A Civil Aviation spokeswoman said the incident was under scrutiny and it was not appropriate to speculate about the cause. "At their closest, the vertical distance between the two aircraft was 500 feet [167 metres] instead of the standard separation of 1,000 feet. Both pilots had the other aircraft in sight. The two air traffic controllers involved have been withdrawn from operational duties . . . safety was not compromised."

Hmmmm. Two in one year. Is that abnormal or does it just get reported more in HK?

Aaron G.

User currently offlineWncaptain From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

I would like to know who is out there measuring these distances between aircraft? How do they come up with these numbers? 167 meters!! You sure it wasn't 168??

User currently offlineJumboClassic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (15 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Unfortunately, with traffic increasing all the time, especially aroung places like Hong Kong, these things will happen. Thanks to the collision avoidance alarms, nothing tragic happened this time. Maybe such an alarm could have prevented the Saudia 747 collision with the IL-76 over India in 1996...

User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

I hate shit like this...freaks me out...makes me think about shit like that when I have to travel by air....don't like it at all...nooooooo

User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (15 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Why they can say 167m, because the original information is 500fts, the unit is feets, not in meters, they just changed it into meters

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