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New Info On Finnair's A340-fleet  
User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8566 times:

Finnair's first A340-300, ex-VS G-VFLY (cn 058) will make it's first revenue flight in AY-colours on 1st July from Helsinki to Shanghai as AY057. The airframe will be dedicated to the daily HEL-PVG rotation, leaving only two hours of ground-time at Finnair's Helsinki-base and a longer maintenance layover every second week, when it will be substituted by MD-11. Pre-delivery maintenance will be done by SR Technics in Ireland and only small cabin modifications will be done at this stage. So maybe we will see the first Finnair in-flight bar, premium eco cabin and economy PTVs?

The registrations for the A343-fleet have been published, starting with OH-LQA for G-VFLY and followed by QB/C/D for the new airframes delivered in 2007. Q is just about the only letter still available in Finnair's OH-L** range of regs.


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8521 times:
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Id like to try Finnair longhaul, i have flown them LHR-HEL, HEL-CDG and HEL-FRA and I really enjoyed the flights. Pity they don't fly here!


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8491 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 1):

Maybe someday, after they can't find any new destinations from Asia  cheeky . Finnair's long-haul is nothing special but their intra-European product is among the best there is nowdays.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8398 times:

Quoting OHLBU (Reply 2):
Maybe someday, after they can't find any new destinations from Asia cheeky . Finnair's long-haul is nothing special but their intra-European product is among the best there is nowdays.

I absolutely agree, so far AY's long haul product has not been more than ok (though they have done good business in Asia) but in Europe their are cool.


User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8244 times:

If only tw0 hours of ground-time in HEL, how much in PVG? How delay-prone is PVG, if at all? It's been a while since I was in China, and at that time, there often could be "unexpected things" here and there. There might be a chance for a nice long effect resulting from a single delay, if they are really to use a single a/c for the route. And also those tiny engines have numerous tiny parts, which might have some tiny problems every now and then. Four of those there, I believe.

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8098 times:
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Quoting FFlyer (Reply 4):
There might be a chance for a nice long effect resulting from a single delay, if they are really to use a single a/c for the route

Nationwide (CE) have a similar situation, they have one 767 that they use on the JNB-LGW run three times a week, so far it has worked out fine as far as I know. Careful planning and meticulous maintenance are the keys.



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8087 times:

Will be a great looking bird -for sure !!!!


It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7958 times:

Quoting OHLBU (Thread starter):
Finnair's first A340-300, ex-VS G-VFLY (cn 058)

Who does this plane now belong to? I assume Finnair are leasing it rather than buying it.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
Will be a great looking bird -for sure !!!!

Indeed. It may be a plain Eurowhite livery with a small grey belly area, but their tail is what makes their colours look great. Big grin


User currently offlineVSFLYER747400 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7903 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
Quoting OHLBU (Thread starter):
Finnair's first A340-300, ex-VS G-VFLY (cn 058)

Who does this plane now belong to? I assume Finnair are leasing it rather than buying it.

The aircraft is currently with Virgin Atlantic.



Being on: (in no order) VS BA AA EK CX MH DL EI BD KL HV NW RC LH AF DA TG QF US FR LX AC SK AZ PG SQ UA PA
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7878 times:

Quoting VSFLYER747400 (Reply 9):
The aircraft is currently with Virgin Atlantic.

Yes, I know, but do VS own it? My belief is that it's leased from Airbus so I assume that Finnair will be leasing it too.

Off topic, I believe that VS only own one of their A343s - G-VFAR. All the rest are leased.


User currently offlineVSFLYER747400 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 10):
Yes, I know, but do VS own it? My belief is that it's leased from Airbus so I assume that Finnair will be leasing it too.

Your original question was imo ambiguous, but hopefully this link will answer your question.....

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detailnosummary&fullregmark=G-VFLY

To be honest I think it may be lsd fr ILFC (tried a search and could not find any info) - as to whether AY is doing that I am not sure.



Being on: (in no order) VS BA AA EK CX MH DL EI BD KL HV NW RC LH AF DA TG QF US FR LX AC SK AZ PG SQ UA PA
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7687 times:

Quoting VSFLYER747400 (Reply 11):
Your original question was imo ambiguous

Sorry.  Sad

Quoting VSFLYER747400 (Reply 11):
hopefully this link will answer your question.....

Thanks.


User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

OH-LQA will be bought by Finnair Aircraft Financing, a Finnair subsidiary and later sold to a leasing company and leased back.

User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

Quoting OHLBU (Thread starter):
So maybe we will see the first Finnair in-flight bar, premium eco cabin and economy PTVs?

Are they going to have eco PTVs in the future in their 343s and 350s? That would be an improvement! I wonder if they will be satisfied with 2-4-2 configuration - they could of course try to cramp another seat there too as has been done in MD11s in the aft section.

Regards,
LordHowe



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 14):
I wonder if they will be satisfied with 2-4-2 configuration - they could of course try to cramp another seat there too as has been done in MD11s in the aft section.

The MD-11 has always been 9-across. SR used to fly 2-4-3 and many other airlines did too. I'm not aware of any airlines that only had an 8-across arrangement while the only 9-across A330/A340s (that I'm aware of) are some charter A330s. The fuselage is significantly narrower than that of the MD-11. I've never flown AY but, as I understand it, they have a good long-haul product. I can't see them jeopardising that by squeezing in 9-across in Y. Anyway, do they need to? They currently get 296 CY seats into an MD-11. They must be able to get close to that in a two-class A343. In any case, might the A340s be used to open new Asian routes that may not need the capacity of an MD-11?


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6869 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 15):
The MD-11 has always been 9-across.

Finnair have 10-abreast on their MD-11s in the majority of the economy cabin, which is how they get 296 seats in!

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineRICARDOAB From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

G-VBUS entered the Filton paint shop on Monday, does anyone know where that is headed?

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6870 posts, RR: 63
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 16):
Finnair have 10-abreast on their MD-11s in the majority of the economy cabin, which is how they get 296 seats in!

Ah, well that knocks my theory on the head! I'm glad now I'm flying LH to Japan next month!


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

According to Finnair their new A340s will get 304 seats and 314 seats for the A350s.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 16):
Finnair have 10-abreast on their MD-11s in the majority of the economy cabin, which is how they get 296 seats in!

And trust me, having flown on an LTU MD-11 with 10-abreast seating, it's horrible.


User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6528 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):

And trust me, having flown on an LTU MD-11 with 10-abreast seating, it's horrible.

Well it's not great, but I wouldn't say it's horrible. Finnair's mid-cabin is definitely nicer than the back, but it wouldn't prevent me from buying a ticket. Luckily 9 abreast on an A350 isn't very likely, so we shouldn't have to worry about strange seating differences in the future.


User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1684 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6485 times:

Quoting OHLBU (Thread starter):
Finnair's first A340-300, ex-VS G-VFLY (cn 058) will make it's first revenue flight in AY-colours on 1st July from Helsinki to Shanghai as AY057

Any idea when it will be delivered, as will visit Helsinki between 09-11jun06 and they probably need some aircraft-training before that ?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

Quoting Killjoy (Reply 21):
Well it's not great, but I wouldn't say it's horrible.

Maybe not at AY, but at LT, it was hell, since it was a 10 abreast seating in a single cattle class configuration. I don't remember the seat pitch, though I don't think it's that bad at AY, but at LT and their MD-11s, the legroom was already a bit too small for me, though I'm not that big (I do have somewhat longer legs).


User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 274 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Quoting OHLBU (Thread starter):
Pre-delivery maintenance will be done by SR Technics in Ireland

I saw a VS A340-300 in DUB on Monday 3rd, it was standing in front of the big Sr Technics hanger there. Maybe it was the one going to AY. Did not see it's registration though.


25 Killjoy : Ah, yes, something like that would indeed make it hellish.
26 Dutchjet : Its interesting that Finnair is picking up an older A343 to start operations with the type.....the ex-Virgin bird is a rather early build model A343-3
27 AGRflyer : I once did ZRH-HEL-BKK-HKG and PVG-HEL-ZRH on their MD11. On the first leg I was seated in the front Y-cabin which was nice. On the way back home I wa
28 LordHowe : What's up in Helsinki then? Why are you all coming here? Or is it just a co-incidence? Best regards, LordHowe
29 AGRflyer : It seems to be a coincidence. Mainly I will be in Nummela where a good friend of mine has a Mökki.
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