IAH744 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1923 times:
acording to acording this photo theyre going to be flying a 742 combi on the khi-man-iah route for the rest of the spring and summer, but after that will they be flying non-stop khi-iah on on of thier 200lrs?
Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1760 times:
Well, they only have 2 777-200LRs. I think they might opt for Chicago non-stop first before IAH. (the first one is on JFK).
Also, does the 747-200 in IAH mean one of their 777-200ERs are in heavy maintenance? IAH has almost always been the 772ER.
Yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5161 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
How is this route doing anyway.....does anyone know.....I sat in the adjacent gate a couple of weeks ago and the number of people sittign there 1/2 hour before departure and it looked empty.
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
Toronto got the first non-stops, actually. Started in early March.
Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 2): How is this route doing anyway.....does anyone know.....I sat in the adjacent gate a couple of weeks ago and the number of people sittign there 1/2 hour before departure and it looked empty.
102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1154 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1472 times:
Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 2): How is this route doing anyway.....does anyone know.....I sat in the adjacent gate a couple of weeks ago and the number of people sittign there 1/2 hour before departure and it looked empty.
All hearsay speculation about the performance of PIA at IAH should be taken with a grain of salt. Only the folks at PIA know how well the route is performing. But based on the recent upgrade to the 747 comb I can only speculate that the route is doing as good as could have been anticipated or maybe even better than anticipated.
Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1444 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3): Toronto got the first non-stops, actually. Started in early March.
Cospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1416 times:
Is the is good flight for the Oil{Energy}men ??? or is VFR pax ?? Does PIA connect to Central Asian countries like Baiku ?? nad other Oil and Pipeline related Places...or is there a big Oil sector in KHI ??
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1394 times:
Quoting Cospn (Reply 7): s the is good flight for the Oil{Energy}men ???
Unlike the European carriers, I don't believe that this is a flight that is targeting the energy sector. As any travelers bound for the Persian Gulf would have to back track Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other countries of interest in the region, when it would be more convenient to connect via London, Paris. Amsterdam or Frankfurt. More to the point if this were being marketed to the energy crowd, I suspect that there would have been some form of campaign advertising this service.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1): Well, they only have 2 777-200LRs. I think they might opt for Chicago non-stop first before IAH. (the first one is on JFK).
Also, does the 747-200 in IAH mean one of their 777-200ERs are in heavy maintenance? IAH has almost always been the 772ER.
their first route was YYZ-Pakistan 3x/weekly...they also use the other one on their JFK route......
ORD will still see the -200ER for ORD-MAN-Pakistan...
Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 2): How is this route doing anyway.....does anyone know.....I sat in the adjacent gate a couple of weeks ago and the number of people sittign there 1/2 hour before departure and it looked empty.
Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 5): All hearsay speculation about the performance of PIA at IAH should be taken with a grain of salt. Only the folks at PIA know how well the route is performing. But based on the recent upgrade to the 747 comb I can only speculate that the route is doing as good as could have been anticipated or maybe even better than anticipated.
the route actually isn't doing too well from what I know...that is why they brought the combi in, so that they can haul some extra freight over the -200ER/LR.......I've heard that besides peak season, this route doesn't do all that well
ORD has done quite well, and in fact, this is the first time in a few years since restarting the route where they kept it at 2X/weekly.......
Planetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1309 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9): the route actually isn't doing too well from what I know...that is why they brought the combi in, so that they can haul some extra freight over the -200ER/LR.......I've heard that besides peak season, this route doesn't do all that well
Any reason for this poor performance there, other than poor advertising. Hopefully they will not follow this on their new route to LAX.
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4906 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1240 times:
The only thing I can think of is poor advertising--because CO/EK as well as the euro carriers do quite well in transiting passengers to Pakistan. People just don't know they exist here in Houston. I welcome the 742 though as IAH widebody rotations are pretty much 777 dominated -- Meanwhile I hear that CI is doing pretty good here.
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1195 times:
They obviously have to match the aircraft to the route, but if you've ever been on one of PK's 74M's, it's not going to do much to boost customer loyalty out of IAH. Particularly after having a taste of the T-7's.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1092 times:
Quoting Planetime (Reply 10): Any reason for this poor performance there, other than poor advertising. Hopefully they will not follow this on their new route to LAX.
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 11): People just don't know they exist here in Houston.
that is part of the reason...I know people who live in Houston who had no clue whatsoever that PK even served their city...in fact, I know PK employes who's own family didnt' know PK served their cities..now that is pretty sad...
also, 1x/weekly doesn't help their cause, especially given the aformentioned CO/EK double daily to IAH-JFK-DXB-Pakistan...
if PK offered the service 3X/weekly and really advertised it, I think they could do well....
or what they could do is interline with another carrier to ORD/JFK/YYZ and drop the route completely....
Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 12): They obviously have to match the aircraft to the route, but if you've ever been on one of PK's 74M's, it's not going to do much to boost customer loyalty out of IAH. Particularly after having a taste of the T-7's.
with LAX, I think they will try harder and the Southern California basin has a large Pakistani population...so they should do well....
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4906 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1040 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13): with LAX, I think they will try harder and the Southern California basin has a large Pakistani population...so they should do well....
I'm no airline business expert--but its my opinion that you'd have to be pretty inept to not make a route to LAX work with that population base. Let's hope the cargo on the flight will bode well for IAH--I know I will enjoy spotting it.
Planetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 952 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13): with LAX, I think they will try harder and the Southern California basin has a large Pakistani population...so they should do well....
Well hope they do and at the same time advertise well also. How is the population in S.Cali as compared to Bay Area? Any chance for SFO then ?
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 929 times:
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 14): I'm no airline business expert--but its my opinion that you'd have to be pretty inept to not make a route to LAX work with that population base. Let's hope the cargo on the flight will bode well for IAH--I know I will enjoy spotting it.
thats why I have ...with PK, one never knows....
I guess it will be nice to watch a National Air carrier flying in a 3 decade old rustbucket......I certainly would enjoy watching one come it and departing...
actually, many of my relatives live about a mile away from KHI, so I've been fortunate to see those rustbuckets many times....
Quoting Planetime (Reply 15):
Well hope they do and at the same time advertise well also. How is the population in S.Cali as compared to Bay Area? Any chance for SFO then ?
IIRC, Bay Area Pakistani population isn't even close.....the Indian population here is huge! LAX is definitely a better plan..
I think the only way one would see SFO is if PK use 5th freedom rights, and probably a smaller and more fuel efficient plane...
LAX will probably go transpacific, though I think they should LAX-MAN-Pakistan, especially KHI, given the amount of increase in traffic....
PIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 908 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1): Well, they only have 2 777-200LRs. I think they might opt for Chicago non-stop first before IAH. (the first one is on JFK).
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that is part of the reason...I know people who live in Houston who had no clue whatsoever that PK even served their city...in fact, I know PK employes who's own family didnt' know PK served their cities..now that is pretty sad...
...with PK, one never knows....
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