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PKs New -200LRs To Houston?!?!  
User currently offlineIAH744 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

acording to acording this photo theyre going to be flying a 742 combi on the khi-man-iah route for the rest of the spring and summer, but after that will they be flying non-stop khi-iah on on of thier 200lrs?


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Well, they only have 2 777-200LRs. I think they might opt for Chicago non-stop first before IAH. (the first one is on JFK).

Also, does the 747-200 in IAH mean one of their 777-200ERs are in heavy maintenance? IAH has almost always been the 772ER.


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6038 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

How is this route doing anyway.....does anyone know.....I sat in the adjacent gate a couple of weeks ago and the number of people sittign there 1/2 hour before departure and it looked empty.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32600 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
(the first one is on JFK).

Toronto got the first non-stops, actually. Started in early March.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 2):
How is this route doing anyway.....does anyone know.....I sat in the adjacent gate a couple of weeks ago and the number of people sittign there 1/2 hour before departure and it looked empty.

Not very well.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2025 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

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Also, does the 747-200 in IAH mean one of their 777-200ERs are in heavy maintenance? IAH has almost always been the 772ER.

Starting on March 25th until the end of the year, PIA will now be operating a B742 into IAH.

--Nate


User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 2):
How is this route doing anyway.....does anyone know.....I sat in the adjacent gate a couple of weeks ago and the number of people sittign there 1/2 hour before departure and it looked empty.

All hearsay speculation about the performance of PIA at IAH should be taken with a grain of salt. Only the folks at PIA know how well the route is performing. But based on the recent upgrade to the 747 comb I can only speculate that the route is doing as good as could have been anticipated or maybe even better than anticipated.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Toronto got the first non-stops, actually. Started in early March.

Oops, sorry about that.


User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Is the is good flight for the Oil{Energy}men ??? or is VFR pax ?? Does PIA connect to Central Asian countries like Baiku ?? nad other Oil and Pipeline related Places...or is there a big Oil sector in KHI ??

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3922 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Quoting Cospn (Reply 7):
s the is good flight for the Oil{Energy}men ???

Unlike the European carriers, I don't believe that this is a flight that is targeting the energy sector. As any travelers bound for the Persian Gulf would have to back track Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other countries of interest in the region, when it would be more convenient to connect via London, Paris. Amsterdam or Frankfurt. More to the point if this were being marketed to the energy crowd, I suspect that there would have been some form of campaign advertising this service.

Quoting Cospn (Reply 7):
or is VFR pax ?

I believe that is the prime reason for their IAH (and ORD) service. Both cities have sizable Pakistani populations.

I am certain others more knowledgeable will weigh in on this and correct any mistakes that I may have made.

Thomas



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
Well, they only have 2 777-200LRs. I think they might opt for Chicago non-stop first before IAH. (the first one is on JFK).

Also, does the 747-200 in IAH mean one of their 777-200ERs are in heavy maintenance? IAH has almost always been the 772ER.

their first route was YYZ-Pakistan 3x/weekly...they also use the other one on their JFK route......

ORD will still see the -200ER for ORD-MAN-Pakistan...

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 2):
How is this route doing anyway.....does anyone know.....I sat in the adjacent gate a couple of weeks ago and the number of people sittign there 1/2 hour before departure and it looked empty.



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 5):
All hearsay speculation about the performance of PIA at IAH should be taken with a grain of salt. Only the folks at PIA know how well the route is performing. But based on the recent upgrade to the 747 comb I can only speculate that the route is doing as good as could have been anticipated or maybe even better than anticipated.

the route actually isn't doing too well from what I know...that is why they brought the combi in, so that they can haul some extra freight over the -200ER/LR.......I've heard that besides peak season, this route doesn't do all that well

ORD has done quite well, and in fact, this is the first time in a few years since restarting the route where they kept it at 2X/weekly.......



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User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
the route actually isn't doing too well from what I know...that is why they brought the combi in, so that they can haul some extra freight over the -200ER/LR.......I've heard that besides peak season, this route doesn't do all that well

Any reason for this poor performance there, other than poor advertising. Hopefully they will not follow this on their new route to LAX.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5154 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

The only thing I can think of is poor advertising--because CO/EK as well as the euro carriers do quite well in transiting passengers to Pakistan. People just don't know they exist here in Houston. I welcome the 742 though as IAH widebody rotations are pretty much 777 dominated -- Meanwhile I hear that CI is doing pretty good here.


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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

They obviously have to match the aircraft to the route, but if you've ever been on one of PK's 74M's, it's not going to do much to boost customer loyalty out of IAH. Particularly after having a taste of the T-7's.


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 10):
Any reason for this poor performance there, other than poor advertising. Hopefully they will not follow this on their new route to LAX.



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 11):
People just don't know they exist here in Houston.

 checkmark  that is part of the reason...I know people who live in Houston who had no clue whatsoever that PK even served their city...in fact, I know PK employes who's own family didnt' know PK served their cities..now that is pretty sad...

also, 1x/weekly doesn't help their cause, especially given the aformentioned CO/EK double daily to IAH-JFK-DXB-Pakistan...

if PK offered the service 3X/weekly and really advertised it, I think they could do well....

or what they could do is interline with another carrier to ORD/JFK/YYZ and drop the route completely....

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 12):
They obviously have to match the aircraft to the route, but if you've ever been on one of PK's 74M's, it's not going to do much to boost customer loyalty out of IAH. Particularly after having a taste of the T-7's.

with LAX, I think they will try harder and the Southern California basin has a large Pakistani population...so they should do well.... crossfingers 



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5154 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
with LAX, I think they will try harder and the Southern California basin has a large Pakistani population...so they should do well....

I'm no airline business expert--but its my opinion that you'd have to be pretty inept to not make a route to LAX work with that population base. Let's hope the cargo on the flight will bode well for IAH--I know I will enjoy spotting it.



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User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
with LAX, I think they will try harder and the Southern California basin has a large Pakistani population...so they should do well....

Well hope they do and at the same time advertise well also. How is the population in S.Cali as compared to Bay Area? Any chance for SFO then ?


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 14):
I'm no airline business expert--but its my opinion that you'd have to be pretty inept to not make a route to LAX work with that population base. Let's hope the cargo on the flight will bode well for IAH--I know I will enjoy spotting it.

thats why I have  crossedfingers ...with PK, one never knows....

I guess it will be nice to watch a National Air carrier flying in a 3 decade old rustbucket......I certainly would enjoy watching one come it and departing... Wink

actually, many of my relatives live about a mile away from KHI, so I've been fortunate to see those rustbuckets many times.... biggrin 

Quoting Planetime (Reply 15):

Well hope they do and at the same time advertise well also. How is the population in S.Cali as compared to Bay Area? Any chance for SFO then ?

IIRC, Bay Area Pakistani population isn't even close.....the Indian population here is huge! LAX is definitely a better plan..

I think the only way one would see SFO is if PK use 5th freedom rights, and probably a smaller and more fuel efficient plane...

LAX will probably go transpacific, though I think they should LAX-MAN-Pakistan, especially KHI, given the amount of increase in traffic....



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
Well, they only have 2 777-200LRs. I think they might opt for Chicago non-stop first before IAH. (the first one is on JFK).

Now that would be nice.

PIA777



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