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747-8 Passenger Version Order Very Shortly?  
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10626 times:

Boeing has announced that they expect an order shortly for the passenger version. Any idea's as to who this may be? I cannot see a thread on this subject but if there is, I will delete.

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1143590946.html

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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10592 times:

LH said something about an order as early as end of march, thats now, when CEO Mayrhofer visited Seattle recently. LH seems to be deeply interested in the 747-8I and -F, and probably the 787.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 1):
LH seems to be deeply interested in the 747-8I and -F, and probably the 787.

My money is that LH will order the 747-8, hopefully mostly for the PAX version and maybe a handful of freighters.

The 747 is and will be a perfect match for LH's operations. And regardless of whether LH has the A380 or not, the 747-8 will suit their operations very good, complimenting the A380 on routes that are too big for the Flying Pencil and too small for the Superjet, thus adding more flexibility into their operations and help LH phase out most of their 744s on a 1 to 1 basis. And needless to say, LH Cargo needs heavy lift capability, and that's what the 747 offers them.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

You could easily see a 788-8/787-10/747-8i/747-8F order from a carrier very shortly, like SQ, LH, or AF. 4 diverse aircraft, 1 engine family, all very efficient...


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10454 times:

In addition to a B-747-800I/F order from LH, and possibly AF and SQ, it seems to me the QF could also use some new A-747-800s. I think Japan Air and/or Nippon could also consider some, even though they recently ordered the B-787-800s. UA is also a candidate for the B-747-800 this year, so could AI. BA and Korean Air will wait until 2007 or 2008 to order the B-747-800.

So, 2006, 2007, and 2008 could all be good years for the Queen of the sky.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10406 times:

I did forget about UA, though I don't know if they'd do an order all at once. if we are talking an all at once order, I think the 3 I mentioned are most likely. Piecemeal, I still don't think JL or NH are looking for 748i's any time soon. 748F? maybe.


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5664 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10274 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
In addition to a B-747-800I/F order from LH, and possibly AF and SQ, it seems to me the QF could also use some new A-747-800s

Not this year or next, I think. I strongly doubt you will see any QF orders this year or next, execpt for infills orders like the B738/A320 orders recently discussed AND, of course, the ULR order if it is worked out with the manfactures to QFs satisfaction.

A B744 replacement is not urgent, the A380 will replace those serving SYD/MEL -LAX & LHR, I strongly doubt QF will make a decision on wether to order more A380 or something else(748/777) to replace its B744 until it has serious A380 operating exprience, say end 07- mid 08. As well QF have almost $A12 Billion worth of orders outstanding, so I see pressure to digest some outstanding A380s first.

Of course this could all be blowen out of the water if there is movement on the ULR front. In that case, assuming its B772ULRs then almost any type of deal could be done including 772ER, 773ER or 748 as well as the 772ULR.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineCuprita From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10258 times:

I think that QF will be the first.............


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10193 times:

Quoting Cuprita (Reply 7):
I think that QF will be the first.............

I don�t think so, first of all Qantas just placed this huge 787 order and has not shown so much interest in the 787-8 right now.
LH on the other hand was the airline that stated the most interest in the 747-8 so far. They also announed an order for new longhaul aircraft soon.

Quoting NA (Reply 1):
LH said something about an order as early as end of march

Where do you have heard about an order as early as the end of march ?
Mayrhuber said on the annual press conference, that they discuss the issue of the new order intensively and expect a decision in the near future ("heuer" as he put it in Austrian).



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
Where do you have heard about an order as early as the end of march ?

Sorry, seems I got confused with SIA here. LH wants to place a substantial widebody order in 2006, evaluating the 747-8I (pax and F), further A380, A350 and 787.
According to the article the LH order seems to be the most interesting, and certainly the biggest of the year from Europe.

Interesting also to read that the 787 is overweight at the current status.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9978 times:

Nope you all have it wrong..I think it'll be Jet Airways. They've been talking up an order of 787s and 747-8. They seem very close to getting something on paper.


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9935 times:

Lot's of talk from Boeing today:

FRANKFURT (AP)--Boeing Co. is confident that its new 450-seat 747-8 will appeal to European and Asian air carriers looking to fill more seats, an executive said Wednesday.

Jeff Peace, vice president and program manager for Boeing's 747 program, said the new plane will be slightly longer, accommodate more passengers, be able to fly farther and - in a nod to European airports - be quieter because of new engine designs.

"The engines and the wings are the two things we have been working on," he told reporters...

...Though there have been no orders for the passenger model yet, Peace said that dozens of airlines have been in talks with the U.S. manufacturer...

"...We still anticipate orders for the Intercontinental this year," he said of the passenger plane...

...Peace said Boeing expects to sell both models of the 747 for between $260 million to $280 million with initial demand coming from Europe and Asia.

"Over the next 20 years we see need for about 900 airplanes," he said, with 300 being freighters and the remainder for passenger use.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20060329-001856.html

Sorry it's a pay site.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4833 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9883 times:

I'd say that NZ would be looking to repeat its 787 genius by become a launch customer for the 747-8 also! Order of 4x 747-8 plus options for 4 more I think, to replace the 8x ageing 744s from about 2010. This would leave NZ with a fleet mix by 2012 of:
8x 747-8
8x 777-2ER (plus 4-5 777-2LR possibly or more 787 orders)
4x 787-8 (plus another 4 most likely)
14x A320
14x 737-3
(the last 737-3s made so still relatively new but due to be replaced around 2013. Most likely NZ will wait for replacement of both 737-3 and A320 until Boeing and Airbus come out with their replacement type).

I'd agree that QF is most likely looking at the 747-8 to replace its 744s around 2012 and its 744ERs around 2016.

[Edited 2006-03-29 15:13:39]


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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9826 times:

Someone mentioned on another thread that Singapore Airlines are going to sign up shortly as launch customer. No details, no link, though; 'that's all she wrote'.


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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9430 times:

This link to AirWise Online might provide us with some hints:

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1143590946.html


My prediction is that LH will be a launch customer for the 747-8i and buy a number of 787s, possibly even the Dash 10 model.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 2):
My money is that LH will order the 747-8, hopefully mostly for the PAX version and maybe a handful of freighters.

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Quoting NA (Reply 1):
LH said something about an order as early as end of march, thats now, when CEO Mayrhofer visited Seattle recently. LH seems to be deeply interested in the 747-8I and -F, and probably the 787.

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[Edited 2006-03-29 22:28:08]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9399 times:
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If I had to put money down, I'd put it on LH being the first to bite for the passenger model. I hear them rumored for the freighter, but then I also hear they prefer the MD-11F, which might push them to the 777F, instead. Plus they have plenty of 744s that will be negated when the A380s enter service and those could be converted to freighters.

If not LH, then perhaps CX, though the 773ER might be an early look into their future long-range heavy lift plans.

I can't see JL or NH biting. The 773 offers plenty of domestic lift and I'm going to take a wild guess that it will offer better CASM for short-haul over the 748.

I tend to think QF will hold off, since the A380 should work for their trunk routes and the 787-10 would give them decent lift in the secondary markets now served by 743s.

SQ seems to want the freighter, at least, but with the A380 now looking dicey for SFO-HKG 24x7x365, they might want to hedge their bets and order some 748s.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9337 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
The 773 offers plenty of domestic lift and I'm going to take a wild guess that it will offer better CASM for short-haul over the 748.

Actually, the advantage of the B777-300 over the JumboJet in domestic Japanese operations is not CASM, but utilization.


User currently offlineFlyingHippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9294 times:

Between SQ, QF, JL, NH, LH, etc etc... Ever think about this:
The wild card: CI.


User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9242 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Someone mentioned on another thread that Singapore Airlines are going to sign up shortly as launch customer.

SQ has a history of being launch customers. But if taking bets I put it on Jet Airways, then LH or SQ.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9198 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 14):
This link to AirWise Online might provide us with some hints:
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1143590946.html
My prediction is that LH will be a launch customer for the 747-8i and buy a number of 787s, possibly even the Dash 10 model.

I put out the most interesting statement out of that article

Quoting AirWiseOnline:


"We are currently responding to a request from Lufthansa."

"British Airways we would hope to see them in the market later this year."

"Alitalia is harder to say"

"KLM and Air France we would expect to see (soon)," Carson said.

As the first European airline to order the 747-8I I expect it will be Lufthansa and as USAF336TFS has said I also see them ordering the 787 in addition to that.
In Asia I predict Jet Airways will be the first airline to order the 747-8I.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9138 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 19):
In Asia I predict Jet Airways will be the first airline to order the 747-8I.

That would be really great....

But I would love to see AI replacing their 744's with 748's...they have operated 747's for 35 years now, without a break....


User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7637 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 11):
"Over the next 20 years we see need for about 900 airplanes," he said, with 300 being freighters and the remainder for passenger use.

So only Airbus is always overestimating...  stirthepot   flamed  I hope even the 748 will play an important role in aviation...

Honestly I think that if there are gonna be 600 748l built... the A380 will overtake 1000 then... where's the problem to break-even??

Ciao  wave 
Joe


User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7610 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
Nope you all have it wrong..I think it'll be Jet Airways.

hmmm.... Jet could order, but I doubt it will be number 1.

Quoting FlyingHippo (Reply 17):
The wild card: CI.

Aren't their 744s on the younger side?

What about the carriers in the Americas? Yes, VG is broke and Aerolineas Argentineas (sp?) is moving to Airbus, but what about UA, NW, AC, and, if it fits in their route scheduel, AA and CO?



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7132 times:

I think CI, LH or SQ are most likely. They are evaluating a/c in this class and are likely to place orderes soon. BA, CX, QF, 9W, AI etc are all likely candidates but seem unlikely at the moment. BA, too much to think about, CX 77W seems to be the trick, QF other things on their mind, 9W not yet, AI we'll see but I doubt it'll come to fruition- the 77W will fill their needs. As for Japan, the 77W will suffice and JAL has a lot to sort out. Other carriers such as UA have to get their finances in order before ordering new, unnecessary a/c. My TT$0.01

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User currently offlineTguman From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6700 times:

I love the educated speculation going on here. I really enjoy it.
(enter sarcasm mode) I think that in a surprise move, the all Airbus TACA airlines of Central America will order 10 747-8i for new routes to Europe and Asia (sarcasm mode off)

Quoting Piercey (Reply 22):
if it fits in their route scheduel, AA and CO?

CO will not likely go for the 747-8i because they are trying to downsize their fleet variety. AA has flown 747 in a long while and the largest aircraft they have is the 772 so I doubt it will fit in their business plan (which we can see is working marvelously j/k)



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25 CO737800 : What about Air Canada going for the 747-8? They have had 747s in the past.
26 LTU932 : AC is very unlikely to order one, since they're already going for a 777 (-300ERs and -200LRs and -200LRFs)/787 combo. NW is in no financial position
27 Post contains images Windshear : Is it a hope or hunch? I'd really like to see a mixed A/B fleet at Lufthansa, be it the B748 would just make it a whole lot more interesting Boaz.
28 Post contains images UAL777UK : I cannot beleive that the boys from Boeings HQ in Chicago have not been trying to lure UA across the City to make some kind of order for the 747-8, o
29 Post contains images LTU932 : Considering that Mayrhuber has visited Seattle inquiring about the 747-8, I'd say it's both.
30 Post contains links Leelaw : Boeing bullish on prospects for 747-8 Intercontinental. Airframer says sales effort will soon result in orders for passenger version of stretch. Boein
31 Manni : Again, what's with all these press releases, many words but no action. More than a dozen carriers (in the neighbourhood of 15 carriers) and they are
32 Kaitak744 : Well, NZ took options for the 777-300ER when they ordered their 777-200ERs. So, I would think 77W would be the ideal 747-400 replacement for them. Al
33 Post contains images LTU932 : For me, Lufthansa belongs into the category of airlines considering the 748 and extra A380s.
34 ZK-NBT : That was because there was no such thing then as the B748. The 77W would be a rather large downgrade for NZ because it would need to be in a fairly p
35 Manni : In an older article, of wich we had a discussion in this forum, it was extra A380 and A346 or 748. Offcourse, this could have changed now...
36 Post contains images Iwok : I agree with both of you. My "source" is the in-flight LH magazine. There is an article in the March issue which describes the work of a modeller who
37 NA : Interesting is that the flightglobal article mentions that only 5 positions are still free for late 744 orders until the line switches to the new 747
38 Post contains links Manni : Here's why... http://www.lufthansatechnik.com/appl...?action=initial&requestednode=home
39 Post contains images Zkpilot : Yes Thats right. At the time of NZ's order there was no such thing as the 748. NZ has already said that it is interested in it. Because of NZ's locat
40 Trex8 : CI just increased TPE-LAX to 16 flights/week with 744, an A380 order for that route and some freighters is not unreasonable
41 Stitch : I believe they are currently evaluating both planes. And yes, in addition to capacity, TPE-LAX should not be a problem for an A388 year-round at full
42 FlyingHippo : Does anyone know where those two extra 744s are coming from? I know they will have an extra A343 available since they are using a A333 to VIE via ABU
43 Trex8 : they have occasionally used 744s for TPE-BKK-FCO, that is going back to A343 for the summer I believe. since the A350/330 will have a common crew type
44 Shenzhen : From what I've heard from a high ranking LH person (VP), Boeing as a very good chance of placing 30 747-8 airplanes with LH. Cheers
45 Post contains images Jacobin777 : wow. one pax order from a blue chip carrier could certainly get the ball rolling for 747-8I frames......including BA, 9W amongst others!
46 ZK-NBT : Yes! I was thinking along the same lines, 773ER would be good for SFO, PVG, NRT and SIN in the future. With 748's for LAX, HKG, LHR mainly. Then 787'
47 Manni : Do I read this correct? Are you calling Jet Airways a blue chip carrier?
48 Iwok : What should I be reading? There were a bunch of links, and I could not figure out what I should have been looking at. Please let me know. cheers -iwo
49 Manni : Lufthansa Techniks is specialised in designing vip interiors and retrofitting aircraft. Their 748 has most likely caught their attention aswell and th
50 Zkpilot : Yes! I was thinking along the same lines. Perhaps some 772LR in the mix AKL-YVR direct AKL-Brazil direct
51 Tavong : What is a blue chip carrier? Sorry for the question.
52 Shenzhen : The phrase "blue chip" comes from the stock market, and could be considered a company that makes up the Dow Index (30 companies). These companies are
53 Zkpilot : Blue chip is a term used for well established, secure, profitable companies ( in the past think GM, IBM, GE, BT, etc etc) many of the older companies
54 Bmacleod : SingaporeAir is quite upset that the A380 testing will take longer than expected so I wouldn't rule out them cancelling a few 380 options and ordering
55 PanAm330 : NH have clearly stated that they will focus on twin-jet aircraft for their passenger operations, mainly the Boeing 777-200 and 777-300. IIRC, CI has
56 Post contains images Planetime : well said. ua or aa is most likely to stay. NW or DL is likely to go under. now who will take over all those routes once they go down .... UA has a g
57 Post contains images Jacobin777 : er..no..I was saying that a blue chip order might get the ball rolling for other companies to order..as slots start to fill.......
58 Columba : Does your source also said anything about the 787 ? That would be the right move by SIA since we all know that the tests of the A380 will take as lon
59 Iwok : Manni, thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately I do not have the actual text from the in-flight mag; so I could be way off base... Still though,
60 NA : In the fleet sheet about ANA´s future fleet development there is a blank white field under "Large aircraft", both the 747 AND THE 777 are removed. S
61 Bmacleod : Seriously, AC doesn't need anything larger than the 777-300ER which has the same capacity as older 747s and 74E (744 Combis). AC wasn't able to fill
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