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Emirates 772LR  
User currently offlineAmax1977 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Hi,
Does any one know when Boeing is going to deliver the first 772LR for Emirates? Asking because cannot wait for the nonstop flight from SFO to Dubai Big grin

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User currently offlineEmirates777 From Tanzania, joined Feb 2000, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

Deliveries begin September 2007 from the info I have and all 10 aircraft should be delivered in 2 years.

Emirates is planning a big North America expansion in 2007.

LAX/SFO or even both should be on-line by end of 2007, whilst ORD will likely happen in mid 2007. Additional expansion planned includes IAH and IAD, whilst EWR is being evaluated in addition to JFK.

There is a good chance that the 4 acft (A340-500s) currently used on the EK412/413 to SYD/CHC and the EK406/407 to MEL/AKL will be replaced by B777-300ERs, thereby freeing up the necessary metal for North America flights.

Rgds
Emirates777


User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 1):
There is a good chance that the 4 acft (A340-500s) currently used on the EK412/413 to SYD/CHC and the EK406/407 to MEL/AKL will be replaced by B777-300ERs, thereby freeing up the necessary metal for North America flights.

I was under the impression that a fully-laden 77W bound for Australia could not take off from DXB due to hot conditions and that a thrust bump to 125 was required to make this happen. Has this changed?

The 77W is also not currently configured with EK's premium cabin. The A345s have a large F and J class cabin to generate maximum revenue. The J cabin is always booked out weeks ahead on the flight. I would expect this flight to be replaced with A380s to free the A345s for US routes.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 1):

There is a good chance that the 4 acft (A340-500s) currently used on the EK412/413 to SYD/CHC and the EK406/407 to MEL/AKL will be replaced by B777-300ERs, thereby freeing up the necessary metal for North America flights.

That makes sense in the sense that the A345's can then be used on longer routes like the USA, even though AKL and CHC are add ons to Australia.

Quoting Ozair (Reply 2):
The 77W is also not currently configured with EK's premium cabin. The A345s have a large F and J class cabin to generate maximum revenue. The J cabin is always booked out weeks ahead on the flight. I would expect this flight to be replaced with A380s to free the A345s for US routes.

They will be from about mid year, or so I read on here a while back. The current ones don't have a long haul crew rest either.


User currently offlineTifoso From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 1):
Additional expansion planned includes IAH and IAD

Excellent. EK at IAD!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4384 times:

Quoting Emirates777 (Reply 1):
Emirates is planning a big North America expansion in 2007.

LAX/SFO or even both should be on-line by end of 2007, whilst ORD will likely happen in mid 2007. Additional expansion planned includes IAH and IAD, whilst EWR is being evaluated in addition to JFK.

IAH? Why Houston? DFW has a much larger Arab population, and the US oil industry is based here (but a few companies are also in Houston). Plus the runways at DFW are longer than at IAH (DFW has 4 runways at 13,400' vs. IAH with 2 runways at 12,000', and DFW has a new international Terminal D).

It would be great to see EKs A-340-500s and B-777-200LRs here at DFW.


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
IAH? Why Houston? DFW has a much larger Arab population, and the US oil industry is based here (but a few companies are also in Houston).

I think you answered your own question Boomer. The demand for seats from Houston to the Gulf far outreaches supply right now, and with all of the Houston generated oil and government contract traffic forecasted for the next 5-10 years, IAH makes a lot of sense. Especially if CO can manage to get a code-share on any IAH-DXB flights...


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

My guess is that once Emirates (EK) gets the 777-200LR, it will be flying primarily the DXB-IAH and DXB-SFO/LAX routes. The A340-500's now in EK service won't be able to fly between DXB and IAH on a economic payload westbound.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4772 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 7):
My guess is that once Emirates (EK) gets the 777-200LR, it will be flying primarily the DXB-IAH and DXB-SFO/LAX routes. The A340-500's now in EK service won't be able to fly between DXB and IAH on a economic payload westbound.

Totally agree here...I would say A 345/B 773ER for JFK, EWR and IAD and B 772LR only for ORD, SFO, LAX and IAH nonstops.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
IAH? Why Houston? DFW has a much larger Arab population, and the US oil industry is based here (but a few companies are also in Houston). Plus the runways at DFW are longer than at IAH (DFW has 4 runways at 13,400' vs. IAH with 2 runways at 12,000', and DFW has a new international Terminal D).

IAH has a bigger Indian-Pakistani and African population than DFW and thats EKs main target market in Texas alongwith the high yielding oil executives.
IAH is the head quarters of the U.S. oil industry and not DFW. I didnt know that DFW had more Arabs than IAH!!!

In all the interviews that have been conducted with EK Management for the last 2 years, no one ever mentioned DFW as part of their USA plans but all of them mentioned IAH as being a priority.


User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
Plus the runways at DFW are longer than at IAH (DFW has 4 runways at 13,400' vs. IAH with 2 runways at 12,000', and DFW has a new international Terminal D).

DFW needs to realize, if you build it doesn't mean that they will come. :P IAH is my home airport. LOL



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User currently offlineNateDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
IAH? Why Houston? DFW has a much larger Arab population, and the US oil industry is based here (but a few companies are also in Houston). Plus the runways at DFW are longer than at IAH (DFW has 4 runways at 13,400' vs. IAH with 2 runways at 12,000', and DFW has a new international Terminal D).

It would be great to see EKs A-340-500s and B-777-200LRs here at DFW.

Where do you get that information from? There is not much out there, but I found this from the Arab-American institutute: http://www.aaiusa.org/AAIF/Census/demographics/TXdemographics.pdf

It looks like Houston has more Arab immigrants.

If you look at the oil business, Dallas is important, but it isn't even in the same league as Houston. Since I like statistics, I counted energy companies in the Fortune 500. DFW has 2 (ExxonMobile and TXU), Houston has 17. TXU is a power company and ExxonMobile's Iriving ops are much more "store-front" in nature. Even they call Houston the "energy capital of the world" in their recruiting literature: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/HR/Citizen/HR_US_houston.asp

As an aside, I was listening to NPR in Houston back in December. The program sponsor was Aramoco Services Company, a subsidiary of SaudiAramco.

[Edited 2006-03-31 18:30:59]


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User currently offlineN484ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

In addition to these 10 777LR's... how many exactly are on order (in total, all airlines)?

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
IAH? Why Houston?



Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 6):
Especially if CO can manage to get a code-share on any IAH-DXB flights...

That is part of the reason and they already have EK in the OnePass program. They don't code share because EK doesn't fly to CO hubs. But by flying to EWR and IAH, EK would become a codeshare partner and have a 1 stop connection to most cities in the USA from DXB.



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Quoting N484ER:
In addition to these 10 777LR's... how many exactly are on order (in total, all airlines)?

Off the top of my head, AC (Air Canada) is one of them.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

I was at MIA over the weekend picking up a friend and saw a huge map poster that they have as a presentation next to a life size model of the new terminals being built, the map poster indicated current routes servied out of MIA and proposed future routes. Dubai was one of them... any chance of EK tapping into the SoFla Market?


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User currently offline65captin From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Dont forget... Air India


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
IAH? Why Houston? DFW has a much larger Arab population

Most Arab immigrants in North America are Lebanese, Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, Iraqis, and Egyptians. Not Emiratis.



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User currently offlineVS773ER From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 2):
I was under the impression that a fully-laden 77W bound for Australia could not take off from DXB due to hot conditions and that a thrust bump to 125 was required to make this happen. Has this changed?

Can you explain this further? What is a 'Thrust Bump' surely doesn't mean 125% N1? If a fully laden 777w was to struggle that much with that payload, why does EK use this equipment on this route? Surely a A345 would losen the margins?

Rgds


User currently onlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3502 posts, RR: 66
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Quoting N484ER (Reply 11):
In addition to these 10 777LR's... how many exactly are on order (in total, all airlines)?

A total of 35 772LRs have been sold.

Two have been delivered to PIA.

The remainder are going to:
Air India
Air Canada
Emirates
EVA



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User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2243 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 1714 times:

It'll be intersting to see EK in SFO. My guess is that the target market will be purely India-bound. I don't see any other traffic that would make sense via Dubai except Africa-bound tourist travelers. So the question I have is...who will get you to Mumbai, Delhi or Capetown faster, SQ going West or EK going East? God knows there's plenty of business between the Bay Area and India to possibly satisfy both carriers but this will be one hell of a battle for a niche market segment.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 1671 times:

Quoting Wingman (Reply 19):
It'll be intersting to see EK in SFO. My guess is that the target market will be purely India-bound. I don't see any other traffic that would make sense via Dubai except Africa-bound tourist travelers. So the question I have is...who will get you to Mumbai, Delhi or Capetown faster, SQ going West or EK going East? God knows there's plenty of business between the Bay Area and India to possibly satisfy both carriers but this will be one hell of a battle for a niche market segment.

and Pakistanis.......from DXB one can fly to ISB, LHE, KHI and PEW....

from the Great Circle Mapper, it seems that the DXB route to India, Pakistan, Africa is much shorter than SFO-SIN-listed above....so EK might get the call..

that being said, BA's SFO-LHR-JNB is the shortest of the three.. spin 



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