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Emirates Delays A346 Order For A Few Years  
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

found this short snippet on Bloomberg news..

bit of a slap in the face...but it's certainly better than an outright cancel..

"Emirates to Delay $4.2 Bln Airbus Order a `Few Years' (Update1)
March 30, 2006 13:28 EST -- Emirates, the biggest Arab airline, delayed a $4.2 billion Airbus SAS order for 20 planes to give the European aircraft-maker time to develop a better version of the jet, which is losing sales to a competing Boeing Co. model."

[Edited 2006-03-31 03:59:37]


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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6890 times:

But it will eventually be a cancellation IMO.

User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

This doesn't look good for Airbus. However, just as the A320 forced Boeing to build the 737NG and the A330 made Boeing wake up to the fact that the 767 was done. The 787 is going to get Airbus to come up with something kick ass that I believe will truely rival or excede the 787. Although the A350 in its current phase of developement doesn't seem to be it......yet.

[Edited 2006-03-31 04:28:03]


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6860 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Thread starter):
Emirates, the biggest Arab airline

Actually, that would be Saudi Arabian Airlines when it comes to number of aircraft.

[Edited 2006-03-31 04:15:42]


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 1):
But it will eventually be a cancellation IMO.

EK probably already have deposits which they might lose, so its better for them to wait it out........

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 2):
. The 787 is going to get Airbus to come up with something kick ass that I believe wil truely rival or excede the 787.

even with the recent news about the A350, right now, it doesn't seem Airbus is going to change the A350...maybe they will by summer..

as many have said, it will cost extra billions of dollars and a few extra years...

also, for now, Airbus doesn't believe in going CFRP as much as Boeing does...



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 3):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Thread starter):
Emirates, the biggest Arab airline

Actually, that would be Saudi Arabian Airlines when it comes to number of aircraft.

...but it's probably based on revenue per seat mile, or seats provided, or capital something blah blah blah. I can't see how anyone can dispute that EK is the largest Arab airline. Sorry don't mean to nit pick!!

Also I can see this order being cancelled eventually.....EK will probably eventually operate A350/ 787, 777, A380. Seems very logical and a nice dynamic fleet

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31240 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6667 times:
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Quoting MarkATL (Reply 2):
This doesn't look good for Airbus.

Actually, it doesn't look good for Boeing, as QR looks to cancel their intent to order 20 777-300ERs and instead take the A340-600HGW's EK is now deferring, instead.


User currently offlineFlying-B773 From Singapore, joined Apr 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

Is EK still taking delivery of other aircrafts from boeing? maybe they are finally trying to control growth by stopping delivery...
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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3574 posts, RR: 67
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Actually, it doesn't look good for Boeing, as QR looks to cancel their intent to order 20 777-300ERs and instead take the A340-600HGW's EK is now deferring, instead.

Yes, but Boeing never booked the 777's that QR was talking about. It looks pretty neutral for both manufacturers.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Actually, it doesn't look good for Boeing, as QR looks to cancel their intent to order 20 777-300ERs and instead take the A340-600HGW's EK is now deferring, instead.

I think EK will possibly use their deposit money (if they have deposited money) for a new generation Airbus plane....or maybe they will keep it "on the books" for a while...



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 1):
But it will eventually be a cancellation IMO.

My guess is that they will leverage these orders into the A380-900 once it's available.

But that's just me.



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

The question now is: Who will take the delivery slots? Maybe we can see the A346 in one or two completely new liveries.

User currently offlineTifoso From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 11):
The question now is: Who will take the delivery slots?

That's very easy if you look at what's been happening recently.

QR is no longer interested in an order of "at least 20" 777s.
EK defers their A346s
QR recently signed a deal with Airbus. (according to Kaneporta1 in another thread)

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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6191 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
Quoting Dalecary (Reply 1):
But it will eventually be a cancellation IMO.

EK probably already have deposits which they might lose, so its better for them to wait it out........

It may well turn out to be a cancellation but with regards to the deposits I have no doubt that those monies would easily be transferable to any other orders EK retains with Airbus. That could also include parts, training or indeed an order for another model.

EK would be in a strong position to leverage this to that effect. So waiting it out does appear to be the best option at this stage as pointed out by Jacobin777.

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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

All QR? Would be nice, but I had hoped to see something like Mexicana.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31240 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5962 times:
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Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 8):
Yes, but Boeing never booked the 777's that QR was talking about. It looks pretty neutral for both manufacturers.

I agree financially it doesn't affect Boeing directly, but many folks like to bring up the "prestige" of a plane due to it's orders. So Boeing, having looked to have "secured" a large 773ER order and then "losing" it to the A340 could be seen by some as a blow to Boeing's "prestige" and a "boost" to Airbus', just as when QR decided against the 787 in favor of the A350.

Again, in the end that allowed Boeing to land the QF order, and QF's "prestige" is considered by many to be more then QR's, so I suppose if Boeing can sell those 20 773ERs to SQ or LH or BA then perhaps it will end up being a "boost" for Boeing's image...


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5695 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
I agree financially it doesn't affect Boeing directly, but many folks like to bring up the "prestige" of a plane due to it's orders. So Boeing, having looked to have "secured" a large 773ER order and then "losing" it to the A340 could be seen by some as a blow to Boeing's "prestige" and a "boost" to Airbus', just as when QR decided against the 787 in favor of the A350.

Again, in the end that allowed Boeing to land the QF order, and QF's "prestige" is considered by many to be more then QR's, so I suppose if Boeing can sell those 20 773ERs to SQ or LH or BA then perhaps it will end up being a "boost" for Boeing's image...

That's the problem with you guys, you only care about "prestige". I think the 77W can be called a "horrible failure" after one serious company dumped them for the far superior Airbus product.  sarcastic 

Anyway, I'll eat a hat if Boeing sells the slots for QR to LH.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5485 times:

Quoting Flying-B773 (Reply 7):
Is EK still taking delivery of other aircrafts from boeing?

yep..they aren't going to be halting any deliveriees of their 777's.. Smile



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5272 times:

So pretty much EK is saying that they are not interested in the A346HGW anymore, but they are willing to wait and see what comes off the A346E.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 9):
I think EK will possibly use their deposit money (if they have deposited money) for a new generation Airbus plane....or maybe they will keep it "on the books" for a while...

This was one of the factors that led to AF's initial 777-200ER order. They had nearly a billion dollars deposited with Boeing.1



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 19):
This was one of the factors that led to AF's initial 777-200ER order. They had nearly a billion dollars deposited with Boeing.1

thanks for the link...I had read that a while ago also......it turned out to be a blessing for AF, as they love their 777's....ordering more 777's such as the 777-300ER, and 777-200F......



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Thorben

The question now is: Who will take the delivery slots? Maybe we can see the A346 in one or two completely new liveries.


Hmm......Qantas & Virgin Blue (International) come to mind  Wink  Smile

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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 1):
But it will eventually be a cancellation IMO.

I think it's more likely that this will eventually be converted to an order for another Airbus product that hasn't been announced yet.


User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2827 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 12):
QR recently signed a deal with Airbus. (according to Kaneporta1 in another thread)

From the context, I believe that was for the long standing deal for A350, not A346. Color me confused because there was a article today that said that deal had not been closed.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 23):
EK is saying.."your product stinks..build us a better plane..."

They are more saying: "your 346 and 359 aren't doing it for us, so build us XYZ considering we are keeping your A380 program above water" and Airbus isn't so far biting.

They said to Boeing: "We like your 77W and 772LR, but that 789 just isn't doing it for us, so can you do ZYX?" and Boeing seems to be willing...

Just an observation.



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25 Ka : Did EK make a miscalculation in their a/c numbers needed?? Until recently they couldn´t get enough new a/c quickly enough and many wondered how they
26 Columba : Maybe LH Cargo -but definitely not mainline. I think 777-300ER and 777F share the same assembly line.
27 Post contains links Lumberton : Ka, there were a few posts last week that speculated that EK is beginning to feel the crunch from aircrew resignations--notably pilots. There are als
28 EurostarVA : Well, it's easier said than done. First of all, although 2005 was the best year in Airbus' history, the manufacturer's finances are stretched at the
29 Dutchjet : The EK order for the A346 was always controversial......for years, many of us never really expected EK to take delivery of the A346s as EK is a big 77
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