MCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8320 times:
When I was a kid, I saw a picture of Lockheed's L500 concept for an airliner version of the C-5A Galaxy. It was a full double-deck plane with windows on both decks sans the wing box area. I have searched high and low and can not find this pic anywhere. Has anyone seen the pic I'm talking about? I've seen a few model kits of it, but they're poor quality. I'm pretty sure this pic was published by Lockheed.
I can only guess the reason they didn't manufacture it was that the whole L-1011/DC-10 debacle left them not wanting to go head to head with the 747 (again).
Then the reason they didn't go forward was because they won out on the contract against Douglas and Boeing. The Soviet's copied Douglas' plane and called it An-124 while Boeing went ahead with 747. All this happened way before "the whole L-1011/DC-10 debacle"
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MCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8270 times:
I was born about the same time as the C-5, so I don't remember any details, just what I've read. I know Lockheed won the military contract and like the YF-17, the 747 lost but also found a home. I thought that Lockheed's airliner concept for the C-5 didn't come along until the 70's. Am I wrong?
Steeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9361 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8215 times:
Quoting Lehpron (Reply 1): The Soviet's copied Douglas' plane and called it An-124 while Boeing went ahead with 747.
I believe this plane had 3 jets on each wing, 2 decs with the upper deck for up to 180 pax, I think. I have a little book from about 1994 or '95 about airplanes, and I remember seeing a Soviet jet like this in there... If memory serves me correctly, I believe this (AN-124) was that plane. Then again, there were some noticeable inaccuracies with that book, like the 735, the latest version of the 737 at the time, had a range of almost 3,500 miles...
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JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8135 times:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think several people on this forum have explained that the 747 was NOT originally designed for the heavy lift contract that the C-5 ultimately won, but was rather an original design inspired by a separate design Boeing had for the military bird.
I may not be 100% on that account, but I believe that's what I've read on here.
What Douglas design do you speak of? The only "VLA" design I remember from McD was the "MD-12" concept that looked alot like the present A380, but that had come out well after the 747 and C-5, IIRC.
Are there any images also of this other Douglas bird that supposedly "inspired" the An-124?
A C-5 as a passenger craft would have been an interesting concept, with the split upper deck. Imagine a forward first-class seating and the rear section some sort of lounge (kind of like some of the proposed A380 designs).
Of course, the C-5's storied mechanical reliability may have left something to be desired had it become an airliner.
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GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13349 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 7902 times:
A pax version of the C-5 would have had zero sales, very poor pax appeal.
My understanding is that the only serious commercial version of the C-5 studied, was the L5000 civil freighter.
Which of course, stood little chance against the B747F
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7857 times:
Quoting JBo (Reply 4): Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think several people on this forum have explained that the 747 was NOT originally designed for the heavy lift contract that the C-5 ultimately won, but was rather an original design inspired by a separate design Boeing had for the military bird.
I have seen artist renderings of the Boeing entrant into the USAF design competition that Lockheed ultimately won with the C-5; the aircraft looked nothing like the 747. Like all military transports, the design dictated a high wing, something obviously the 747 does not have.
I know Douglas had an entry too, it was called the D-918....ugly looking thing. Unlike the C-5, the nose, INCLUDING the cockpit tilted up for loading of cargo. Would have carried about 400 on two decks.