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User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

My ex station lead is telling his co-workers that he got hired at UA as a Supervisor that will watch over all of the supervisor's on the ramp at ORD, and it will pay $125,000 a year... Do you think that is bull-poo or no bull-poo, I think that is is....  boggled 


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7346 times:

Eh, that sounds about right actually...if he is the Supervisor of all the ramp supervisors...thats quite hte responsibility, and I would hope they would offer that sort of fair compensation for that.


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User currently offlineNASOCEANA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7222 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 1):
Eh, that sounds about right actually...if he is the Supervisor of all the ramp supervisors

Planespotting is right on! The $125,000 salary is actually $15,000 less than the average for this position in the ORD area.

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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7090 times:

so did he get a job as a operating mgr????


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User currently offlineWJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6960 times:

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 2):
Planespotting is right on! The $125,000 salary is actually $15,000 less than the average for this position in the ORD area.

Not doubting that UA may still has 6 figures ground operations people, that salary.com "analysis" is waaaaaay off. Having been in the industry for over 10 years now, I can easily say that very few non-pilot/non-executive folks get anywhere near 100k/yr. So either this site is completely wrong, or what they concieve to be an aviation manager is, is a different position than what an airline operations/duty/station manager actualy is.



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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6900 times:

I wonder what some of the bennies are at that income level. Has UA restructured that side of HR yet or not? I recall several professors of mine mentioning that benefits packages can account for anywhere from 30-60% of total compensation, so I wonder how this stacks up.

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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6221 times:

are these jobs only gotten by ''connections'' or does anybody with a degree and years of experience have a shot ???


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6007 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 6):
are these jobs only gotten by ''connections'' or does anybody with a degree and years of experience have a shot ???

While connections don't hurt, it is not just a "desk" position...you really need to know what is going on and how it works to do this job correctly.

In this particular job, you are basically responsible for all of the ramp activity that goes on for United Airlines at Chicago O'hare during a particular time...this includes servicing, fueling and all baggage activity (there is more, but this is general stuff). Hundreds of flights a day, in which probably 10 billion dollars or so of equipment is utilized in some way or another, and thousands upon thousands of people are dependant on your staff of hundreds to get things done right, all of which the safety of your company depends on, and quite frankly the financial security of the airline does as well (in the big picture).

Wow...I sure wouldn't want that kind of responsibility, haha.



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 7):
all of the ramp activity that goes on for United Airlines at Chicago O'hare during a particular time...

Wait a second. You mean this guy is in charge of all United movements at O'Hare, bascally the largest airport in the world ???

How many years of experience would you need for a job like this ???



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5242 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 8):
Wait a second. You mean this guy is in charge of all United movements at O'Hare, bascally the largest airport in the world ???

Well, if I am reading the vague job description offered by the poster correctly, then yes.

Ramp Supervisors are in charge of their specific ramps and their staff. This guy is apparently in charge of all the ramp supervisors. Therefore, yes, that is the way it looks.

But I could be wrong...can someone give a definite description of this dudes job? $125,000/year actually seems like a paltry sum for that much responsiblity.



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User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
My ex station lead is telling his co-workers that he got hired ...... and it will pay $125,000 a year... Do you think that is bull-poo

Don't know about the "poo" aspect, but pretty crass/low class to brag about your salary...especially the exact amount! Nice attitude for a supervisor or manager.



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
he got hired at UA as a Supervisor that will watch over all of the supervisor's on the ramp at ORD, and itrnwill pay $125,000 a year...

Does this position require him to be on the ramps or is this an office job with a few weekly visits outside? If he is doing this job that is alot of ppl that he has under his supervision in a potential dangerous environment daily.

If you ask me it sounds totally ridiculous if you are paying that salary for a lead-sup. Also why would someone in that position brag about his pay to his co-workers? Sounds like he is an arrogant supervisor and will lose his job soon if he runs his mouth off like that to his colleagues.

[Edited 2006-04-01 23:10:11]


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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4874 times:



Mr. Patroni feels your friend is underpaid, especially given Chicago's snowy winters.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 11):

If you ask me it sounds totally ridiculous if you are paying that salary for a lead-sup. Also why would someone in that position brag about his pay to his co-workers? Sounds like he is an arrogant supervisor and will lose his job soon if he runs his mouth off like that to his colleagues.

Before we judge this would-be lead sup, we don't know exactly how his co-workers came upon this information. He could have simply told them "I got the lead supervisor job at O'hare with United" and a co-worker could have innocently inquired about the salary, to which he could have very well responded with the exact amount, or just something like "around 125,000."

This of course might lead this person to start telling everyone in the office that this guy got a new job as such and such and is making X amount per year and isn't that just ridiculous and yada yada yada...

We've all worked at some place in our lives where this sort of stupid inter-office politiking went on, and who knows exactly how this information was leaked to the original poster.



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User currently offlineL1329II From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

Quoting Comorin (Reply 12):
Mr. Patroni feels your friend is underpaid, especially given Chicago's snowy winters

ROFL!

But can this friend dig out a stuck 707 and chew a cigar at the same time?


User currently offlinePHXMKEflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

This is definetly "bull-poo", the same job in PHX for HP/US pays 40-45k per year.

Quoting L1329II (Reply 14):
But can this friend dig out a stuck 707 and chew a cigar at the same time?

LOL  rotfl 


User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Quoting Airwave (Reply 5):
I wonder what some of the bennies are at that income level. Has UA restructured that side of HR yet or not? I recall several professors of mine mentioning that benefits packages can account for anywhere from 30-60% of total compensation, so I wonder how this stacks up.

30-60% is very high for a for-profit company. Even 30% in today's marketplace is considered an excellent fringe. I doubt UA, especially in its current configuration, is compensating above 30% for fringe.


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Based on your info, hell no......

I do not believe UA will pay a supervisor 100+ to watch the other sups???

That salary sound more like a manager salary.

But maybe you can give us more info about your buddy, like age, degree, experience......

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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

They offered me the low 40s range for a RAMP SUPERVISOR for UA in SFO.

It was not enough in my opinion along with the heavy responsibility and the living costs in the Bay Area.

So Ramp Supervisors range at that, I guess, so an Operations Manager might be at , but I feel 125,000 is pretty steep percentage compared to the 40,000 something range of the Ramp Supervisor.

I just dont like dealing with unions and I feel being able to help and give a hand, but I cant touch bags, touch equipment, touch the plane, if the workers have called out sick. Its a lot of responsiblity and you get blamed too often. Thats as the Ramp Supervisor for a typical IAM shop, The ops manager will be blamed directly by the Airport Station Manager.

I think SFO would average 15-20 Ramp Supervisors and perhaps 1-3 Operations Managers.



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User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

I know that the guy worked at NW for 2 years and was fired, forgot why.Then he got a lead spot at OH at MDW, had no clue how to do his job, then the station manager at the time was fired at MDW for a drug test,and he took over the station manager spot at MDW and the whole station is going to hell...


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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Reply 19):
I know that the guy worked at NW for 2 years and was fired, forgot why.Then he got a lead spot at OH at MDW, had no clue how to do his job, then the station manager at the time was fired at MDW for a drug test,and he took over the station manager spot at MDW and the whole station is going to hell...

So why would UA want him? This job sounds like one that would go to someone already with the company...


User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 20):

That is the same thing that I said to my girlfriend who still works there....



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Quoting Mycrj17 (Thread starter):
ex station lead is telling

United would never hire a lead from another airline and pay him $125k.

Your friend is full of crap.



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User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Well for one thing, he is not my friend, and I know that he is full of crap(poo) and I would never hire him in the first place...And another thing, when MDW had a meeting for all of the station manager's at MDW for the bids for the gate's, he never went, and told his employee's that the meeting was not important enough to attend and everything would be fine, well OH has no gate for themselves and they have to share with UA and FL, and on occasion F9...
And I know for a fact the he has unpaid fuel and deice bills from the FBO that I work at that he has not paid, and I don't think EV know's about it has of yet..Smart man, he has my vote to make that much money........Not......



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 20):
This job sounds like one that would go to someone already with the company...

United is starting to look outside and elsewhere for Ramp Supervisors and Managers. They have had too many problems in the past with promoting from within (Union ramp workers). They want people who have not been in the union, so they dont create favorites when managing the Union ramp.

When I was at the 2nd interview, all the candidates I was with, never had experience at United Airlines.



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