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User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14232 times:

Forgive me if i'm wrong, but in this pic it seems that the 747 is experiencing an EXTREME cross wind....yet no rudder correction? there isn't even a caption. it could it be taking off though...if i saw that i would certainly write a caption....its definately not taking off from a the taxi way and the runway under it is literally at a 45º angle....still no rudder.


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i can rely on all of you as usual to brainstorm some great answers!

thanks!



ps- sorry if this thread is something you want to shoot down...  white 


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User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14204 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Thread starter):
.its definately not taking off from a the taxi way and the runway under it is literally at a 45º angle....still no rudder.

The plane is taking off from the runway, which you can see a little bit of it underneath the plane.

Because of the camera angle, you are under the impression that the plane is at an angle to the RUNway.


User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14161 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 1):
Because of the camera angle, you are under the impression that the plane is at an angle to the RUNway.

after looking at it a little closer (well actually i realized this after i posted it and it was a thumbnail) it does look somewhat like an optical allusion of some sort.



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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14161 times:

looks a bit left to the centreline, but defintley an optical illusion


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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2233 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 14095 times:

Looks like takeoff flap setting to me.


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User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13711 times:

This is a normal takeoff (no crosswinds, etc). The runway is on a weird angle to the camera, thus causing the illusion that the plane is taking off from the taxiway. If you look closely, you can tell the plane is heading the same direction as the runway.

User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13570 times:

It appears to be an optical illusion. It is in line with the runway. What you are seeing...it appears to me...is an intersecting taxiway that give you the impression it is the runway. Follow the lines...

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8845 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13391 times:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Thread starter):
its definately not taking off from a the taxi way and the runway under it is literally at a 45º angle

Its taking off along the runway, you can see the centre line (white) reflection alone the fuselage .

What you can see behind the aircraft is a taxiway, they have different color lines (yellow lead line).



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3517 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13378 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 7):
you can see the centre line (white) reflection alone the fuselage .

That's actually the right-side runway boundary line...If it were the center line it would be dashed (not solid). But clearly the aircraft is lined up with the runway.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8845 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13341 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 8):
That's actually the right-side runway boundary line...

I would disagree, that would be 30m away from the centreline.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13096 times:

Below the aircraft are clearly visible two parallel solid white lines with a dashed white line between them. I think we all know what those lines represent.

The optical illusion is a nice one though.


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5499 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12563 times:

All you have to do is tell the difference between a taxiway and a runway!  Wink

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3517 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12411 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 9):
I would disagree, that would be 30m away from the centreline.

okay, fine, but whatever it is, it's not the center line. What else could it beeeeee if it's not the boundary line? It's clearly solid!



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User currently offlineMikester540 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12355 times:

Get ready to be eaten up by the same reply over and over! Big grin


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User currently offlineC172heavy From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11973 times:

Sorry. Maybe it's just me but I can't see how that's lined up with the runway centerline (or boundary line). I'd have to argue that the white line reflected down the aircraft belly is not associated with any runway marking. Can anyone explain this to me so I can understand it?


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11923 times:

This shot looks to be taken from a car-park on the southern side of the airport along Matadero road...looking at taxiway Charlie-2. The trees in the background, that are between the airport property and the highway (TF375?), give further proof to the location.

From this point, runway 12/30 gets closer to as you proceed from left to right.

Using a telephoto lens distorts the angles and depth perception. The runway appears as only a slight angle in the picture when actually it is more like a 60 degree angle. As it is, using the runway striping as reference, the left side is only a smidge higher than the right.

From this Industrial area, the aircraft taking off from 12 do have a tendency to appear to be taking off directly at you; from 30, they appear going away.

With that being said, I will say this aircraft is crabbing somewhat in this picture, but nothing out of the ordinary, or nothing that would require corrective action from the cockpit. Something is going on as evidenced by the left wing being higher than the right.
With a lot of wide open space all around them, they could correct as they go, hence no visible signs of extreme control surface movements.

I would guess he is about 10-15 degrees off center.



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User currently offlineC172heavy From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11174 times:

OK, thanks Stirling. Still looks goofy to me, but I guess I'll just have to chalk it up to optical illusion.


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User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11081 times:

What people need to realize is that the aircraft is taking off on the runway that has the while solid line under the aircraft near the bottom of the photograph. The illusion in the background is another taxiway not related to the aircraft in question. That is why there is an illusion.

I had to do a double-take on this one but once I realized what the real situation was it made sense.

Cheers,
John


User currently offlineHangarRash From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10079 times:

As others have mentioned:

Taxiways: yellow lines

Runways: white lines

Great photo!


User currently offlineAviaar From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7567 times:

You know, I might cut you some slack, but your title was way too aggressive. Granted, we aren't little kids anymore, but if you're going to use that diction, try finding a justified reason. Mistaking the taxiway for the runway is a poor excuse. It's an honest mistake. But you took it too far with the title and blew it way out of proportion.

By the way, congratulations Aldana. Your photo is, if not already, destined to be the most popular on the site.



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User currently offlineGeorgetown From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6860 times:
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Alright, first post in awhile...

Stirling, thank you for a response that was useful and void of unnecessary intellectual egoism. To some others, when you have knowledge that others don't, you have a unique opportunity to share and diffuse that knowledge in a way that will be constructive to the knowledge of an individual and the aggregate knowledge of a group as a whole. That's a hell of a photo, and again, Stirling, thanks for a useful response!



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User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 912 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6242 times:

Think of it like this:



User currently offlineIDAWA From Italy, joined Aug 2004, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5733 times:

Quoting Goodbye (Reply 21):
Think of it like this:

I fully agree

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User currently offlineCargoman From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Just look at the yellow taxiway lines. It's the angle of the photographer that's making it look strange. Nice photo by the way.

User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8845 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

Quoting Goodbye (Reply 21):
Think of it like this:

Correct, much the same photo taken from a slightly elevated position


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25 Qantas744ER : Hey, the plane is fighting against a crosswind, the flaps are set to 20 so for 100% its a takeoff. I have been to Teneriffa various times and ive been
26 Post contains images N754PR : Is it so hard to see thats a txiway behind the plane??? OK, it is a ex SQ aircraft and we know they do like taxiways but still
27 Post contains images N484ER : If you look on the belly of the 747, you can see the reflection of the runway centerlines
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