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Daily AF 747-400 Back At YUL  
User currently offlineYULspotter From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Hello.

First time post for me.
I've been enjoying reading the posts for the past few months and decided it was time to join and get in on the discussions.

Just saw Air France's 747-400 land at YUL. It came in on Saturday around 5:10pm.

Does anyone know if this means the 747-400 is back (at least until the fall)? I know that they were still using the A340 for this flight earlier this week.

The other thing I am wondering about is if Air France was planning on replacing the 747 with the A380. They have already confirmed that they will be using the A380 on their Paris-Montreal route. It would seem like a logical choice. I hope not. Though I can't wait to see the A380 at YUL, I would sure miss seeing the 747-400. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks.
YULspotter

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User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3790 times:

Salut Yulspotter,

the B747's always operate in summer time for years now.

aad665


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

Air France was not supposed to bring the B744 to YUL this summer, but their planning has apparently changed as the 744 is again showing on the schedules. The aircraft was instead supposed to go to JFK, but it has been taken of the schedule and swapped with the B773 that was supposed to go to YUL.

User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Until the 7th of May there is no AF344/345 previously operated by a 77W this fall/winter.
AF346/347 is operated by a mix of 744 and A340.
AF348/349 is operated with an A330.

On the 8th of May AF344/345 comes back with a 777-200.
AF346/347 will be all 744
AF348/349 will operate with an A330 but then go to a mix of A330/A340 on the 12th of June for the summer.



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

It seems that they have somewhat downsized this year. Last summer they were flying a daily B773, B744 and A330. Now it's down to daily B772/B744/A340. Perhaps not much of a difference but significantly lower premium seats (there are 67 J seats on the 773). Yes I know summer is the low season for business travel but markets grow ... anyway are things working out with 3 daily flights for AF? Will the frequency remain the same when the A380 is introduced?


Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Bienvenue abord YULSpotter!

Oui, cest vrai. Dans l'ete, l'Air France etait utilise le Boeing 747. Mais, dans l'hiver, L'Air France utilise l'Airbus A340 parce-ce qu'il y a moins personnes dans l'hiver.

Translation:

Yes, that's correct. During the summer AF will use the 747, but during the winter I think they send their 343's. Probably because of lower passenger loads.

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 



"If it aint boeing, it aint going!", "Friends are like condoms...they protect you when things get hard!"
User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Hi,

still, AF use to operate 747 in winter time. Only last winter they change equipement for something "different".

You have to understand that AF 747 is now the less premium aircrafts in the fleet. Y don't have PTV, J have old seat and F are removed. That the reason they bring 77X over the winter now...to cater premium passenger with a very good F and J products

aad665


User currently offlineMah584jr From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3550 times:

I just read in another thread that AF will continue to use the 744 through the winter of 06/07.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

In its first draft schedules for the winter 2006-2007 schedule, Air France plans to operate 13 weekly frequencies on the CDG route:

AF344/345 daily B772ER
AF346/347 6 weekly B744 (daily except Thursday)


User currently offlineYULspotter From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Thanks for the information everyone.

I get the feeling that AF 744s days at YUL are numbered. Perhaps it will stick around until the A380 is in service. Time will tell.

YULspotter


User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

Marco,

AF is flying the same capacity as last year. The 3rd frequency in summer 2005, was a 3-class A330, and now it will be a 2-class A330 4 times a week/2-class A340 (297 seats) 3 times a week.


User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Quoting YULspotter (Reply 9):
I get the feeling that AF 744s days at YUL are numbered. Perhaps it will stick around until the A380 is in service. Time will tell.

Doubt AF will send their 380's to YUL.

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 



"If it aint boeing, it aint going!", "Friends are like condoms...they protect you when things get hard!"
User currently offlineYULspotter From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 11):
Doubt AF will send their 380's to YUL.

Actually, it has been confirmed that AF plans on using the A380 for it's Paris-Montreal route.

You can check out the following article for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montr%C...iott_Trudeau_International_Airport

YULspotter


User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Quoting YULspotter (Reply 12):
You can check out the following article for more info

With all due respect, Wikipedia is not the most reliable web-based encyclopedia!!! It's been under fire lately for providing false information! Think about it this way: the person filling in that information could be a 5-year old, seeing as anyone is capable of posting information!!!

Just my $0.02 (CDN)

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 



"If it aint boeing, it aint going!", "Friends are like condoms...they protect you when things get hard!"
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Boeingfanyyz,

Air France has confirmed on many occasions that YUL will receive the A380. In fact, ADM built a special gate on the new international concourse specifically for this aircraft.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

"Air France Commits to 10 A380s

Air France has firmed up its MOU to buy the Airbus A380 superjumbo, choosing to commit to 10 firm orders for the aircraft, with four options.

Air France is scheduled to take delivery in November 2006, and plans to configure the aircraft in a three-class layout with approximately 555 seats. It is the first A380 buyer to choose the GE-Pratt & Whitney Engine Alliance GP7000 powerplant for the aircraft.

The airline plans to use the aircraft to connect Paris with Los Angeles, Montreal, New York and Tokyo. Air France President Jean-Cyril Spinetta says he isn't concerned about airport issues with the aircraft in any of those sites. "Today, we operate a flight from Paris to the French West Indies that carries more than 500 people on a 747-300," he said. "We know how to do it, and we will know how to do it on a new aircraft."

Spinetta cited four reasons for purchasing the aircraft: the finite number of take-off slots available at the world's busiest airports; a promised lower noise signature; low cost per seat mile; and "the improved service that the extra space makes possible."

Airbus Chairman No�l Forgeard deflected a question about the value of the contract and whether the airframer slashed the price to make a deal. "The list price is $230 million, so the value is 10 times that, $2.3 billion, right? But I will also note that Air France has very good negotiators."

The announcement, made late Monday afternoon, was Airbus's third for the day, after earlier orders by JetBlue and Royal Air Maroc for narrowbodies.

Forgeard said that Monday's orders put Airbus's book for the year at 188, and said that by the end of the week, the company will have announced enough orders to drive its book over 300 for 2001. At least one of those aircraft orders will include the A380. Forgeard alluded to a press conference today involving a major cargo carrier.

By Jim Proulx "

http://www.aviationnow.com/shownews/01paris4/topsto02.htm


User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 14):
Air France has confirmed on many occasions that YUL will receive the A380.

No s**t, Sherlock!!! I was probably one of the first persons to hear this news!

I just post for the sake of argument!

However (here I go, arguing again!!!), AF could easily say they wont send it to YUL very last minute! Even if the new terminal is built, it could be a complete waste of money!

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 



"If it aint boeing, it aint going!", "Friends are like condoms...they protect you when things get hard!"
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Thanks for your intelligent response.

User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 17):
Thanks for your intelligent response.

Well, you're welcome!

Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 



"If it aint boeing, it aint going!", "Friends are like condoms...they protect you when things get hard!"
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