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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5182 times:

A few months ago, an AI 747-400M blew a few tires and was grounded for around a month. However, at LAX, all the people could do was get it airborne and fly it to SFO. While there, it was put in a hangar and the repair was completed.

My question is, why doesn't LAX have hangars to take 747s? I mean, CO, FedEx, AA, DL, and UA have maintenance bases at LAX, and none of them have a 747 sized hangar? I mean, come on, this is the world's 5th largest airport.
UA doesn't even have a hanger. Their maintenance base is just a bunch of DC-3 sized garages. Are their any plans for a new hangar in the future?

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User currently offline113312 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

There are plenty of hangars at LAX and room aplenty for B747s. But, you have to have a business relationship (money) with the tennants of those hangars. Well, do you think AI had a deal there or decided that it was cheaper to ferry the plane to somewhere where they did?

User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Kaitak,
LAX does indeed have hangars that can accomodate the B747. AA's 'Superbay' hangar can accomodate 4 simultaneously. The former TW (now AA/QF) widebody hangar can accomodate 2 simultaneously. CO's widebody hangar complex can accomodate a single 747. The UA hangar is a relic from LAX's past - this hangar site was AA's during the late 40s to mid 50s.

Many years ago, UA did indeed plan to construct a new hangar complex immediately west of CO's. I've heard that the project was scotched due to not passing environmental muster. Also, UA approached TW during the mid 90's (circa 95/96 IIRC) in seeking to purchase TW's hangar complex (and real estate at other airports). However, TW wanted to negotiate a purchase of the entire carrier and UA balked.

Carriers needing a hangar bay can rent space on an ad-hoc basis. UA and United Services (as AI contract maintenance provider at LAX) may have made the decision not to do this based upon the length of time required for repairs, and associated costs of renting the space. Or, the space made not have been available based upon the length of time the aircraft was anticipated being grounded.



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5128 times:

Thanks alot.

Quoting Aaway (Reply 2):
AA's 'Superbay' hangar can accomodate 4 simultaneously. The former TW (now AA/QF) widebody hangar can accomodate 2 simultaneously.

Do you know if QF actually does 747 maintenance at the TWA hangar? Or do they just park their 747s there.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26145 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 3):
Do you know if QF actually does 747 maintenance at the TWA hangar? Or do they just park their 747s there.

Until recently Qantas only did very light line maintenance at LAX, however in January, they leased one bay in the ex TWA hangar and have begun doing checks on the B744s.
http://www.highbeam.com/library/docf...nd19%3AMode19a%3ADocG%3AResult&ao=

In addition to the previosly mentioned hangar facilities at LAX, Delta operates a maintenance base also with a widebody hangar, while US Airways also has narrow body hangar at LAX.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
A few months ago, an AI 747-400M blew a few tires and was grounded for around a month. However, at LAX, all the people could do was get it airborne and fly it to SFO. While there, it was put in a hangar and the repair was completed.

No, UA/Boeing did all the repair work at LAX, And it was grounded for nearly 2 months. It went to SFO only for finishing touches and re-certification. It was there less than a week.

BN747



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 5):
No, UA/Boeing did all the repair work at LAX, And it was grounded for nearly 2 months. It went to SFO only for finishing touches and re-certification. It was there less than a week.

But you can not repair a 747's landing gear with out lifting kacking it up in a hangar right? How would UA do that at LAX?


User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4987 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
But you can not repair a 747's landing gear with out lifting kacking it up in a hangar right? How would UA do that at LAX?

Most large UA stations have jack stands. We even have widebody jack stands up here in PDX.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 6):
But you can not repair a 747's landing gear with out lifting kacking it up in a hangar right? How would UA do that at LAX?

She was suspended COMPLETELY off the ground for several days (saw it 1st hand) as Ramprat says...6 strategically placed jacks is all that's needed to do the job.

BN747



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4911 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 8):
She was suspended COMPLETELY off the ground for several days (saw it 1st hand) as Ramprat says...6 strategically placed jacks is all that's needed to do the job.

Oh, so a hangar isn't necessary for everything. I honestly didn't know that. Thanks alot.  Smile


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 8):
She was suspended COMPLETELY off the ground for several days (saw it 1st hand) as Ramprat says...6 strategically placed jacks is all that's needed to do the job.

Oh, so a hangar isn't necessary for everything. I honestly didn't know that. Thanks alot. Smile

No prob. Don't feel bad, I was thinking the same as you when I saw the wing, fuselage spars exposed and serious internal work I was like 'wow' this certainly 'hangar time!' But no, the kept at..then the jacks in the last days- completely suspended off the ground-amazing! They're lucky not a single day of rain over the entire 50+ day period!


BN747

[Edited 2006-04-02 13:25:59]


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User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
Until recently Qantas only did very light line maintenance at LAX, however in January, they leased one bay in the ex TWA hangar and have begun doing checks on the B744s.

Do you know if they also do line work on the BA 744 fleet that passes through?


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26145 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

In the midst of all this we all forgot to mention the maintenance facilities Fedex have at LAX. Their widebody hanger can handle 3-4 DC-10/MD-11 widebodies at a time.

Quoting Mutu (Reply 11):
Do you know if they also do line work on the BA 744 fleet that passes through?

I don't believe so. Last time I noticed, BA had their own line engineering staff, however things could have changed.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Flying Tigers had a large MX hanger right next to TWA. They also had the really great cafeteria.

User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Even if there was it is not always the best place to do maintenance...It costs a lot to rent a hangar...And i mean a lot...A few years ago we had to use a hangar at and airport to do an engine change....We paid 3000 a day...Plus 500 everytime we opened the door. If it was not winter we would have done it outside....This was for a 737-200.

I can only imagin what it costs to barn a 747.

GS



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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 13):
Flying Tigers had a large MX hanger right next to TWA. They also had the really great cafeteria.

It is owned by Fedex now. That hangar isn't large enough to house the whole aircraft though. The tails of the DC-10/MD-11's stick out.


User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 608 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

A hangar isn't necessary to jack an airplane but level ground and light winds are. No wind is preferred.

User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 4):
Delta operates a maintenance base also with a widebody hangar

Delta broke it's lease with LAX for the hangar as part of the BK restructuring and the city has taken possession of it.

DL757Md



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User currently offlineDl_mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1986 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Did DL have a pre Western hangar or building at LAX? I recall a building between Flying Tigers and TWA that had a Widget on it. I also recall a USAir plane sitting outside of it.


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User currently offlineQF108 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Which one of the hangars is the FedEx maintenance area, I am familiar with the AA and CO areas and where the QF 744's park during the day and often wondered who used the other hangars.


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Another question is the area at the eastern part of the airport adjacent to the threshold of 25R still in operation IIRC ATI used to have some cargo op's there but Im sure that that area was fenced off last November when I was at LAX and the ATI's were parked with the Kitty Hawks next to the threshold of 25L.
If it has been closed off that area are there plans for development.

Cheers
Mark



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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Quoting Dl_mech (Reply 18):
Did DL have a pre Western hangar or building at LAX? I recall a building between Flying Tigers and TWA that had a Widget on it. I also recall a USAir plane sitting outside of it.

The current US hangar is the pre-WA merger DL hangar

Quoting QF108 (Reply 19):
Which one of the hangars is the FedEx maintenance area,

Immediately west of the fuel farm (white fuel tanks in the image you attached), on the northside.

Quoting QF108 (Reply 19):
Another question is the area at the eastern part of the airport adjacent to the threshold of 25R still in operation IIRC ATI used to have some cargo op's there but Im sure that that area was fenced off last November when I was at LAX and the ATI's were parked with the Kitty Hawks next to the threshold of 25L.
If it has been closed off that area are there plans for development.

The fenced area you're referring to contained the now former Air Freight Building 3. That building had been slated for demolition for some time and is an element in a (re)development plan for the Century Cargo Complex.

Ultimately, that area will resemble a large hold pad, consisting of aircraft parking and some newer, larger cargo facilities.



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User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting QF108 (Reply 19):
Which one of the hangars is the FedEx maintenance area, I am familiar with the AA and CO areas and where the QF 744's park during the day and often wondered who used the other hangars.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...18.422639&spn=0.00405,0.010643&t=k

The hangar to the right of the Fedex one is the US Coast Guard hangar. The one above that is the US Airways hangar.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

In this "famous" picture you can see AA's superbay in the background.


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26145 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 17):
Delta broke it's lease with LAX for the hangar as part of the BK restructuring and the city has taken possession of it

News to me. Even if DL dumped its long term lease looks like they are still making use of the facilities. Just yesterday saw equipment and vehicles in/out of the widebody hangar, while the regular equipment and such parked outside the older narrow body hangars.



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User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 23):
Even if DL dumped its long term lease looks like they are still making use of the facilities. Just yesterday saw equipment and vehicles in/out of the widebody hangar,

Although I'm not familiar with what it might be, we might have some agreement with LAX to use the facility on an as needed basis until they find a new long term tenant. I can assure you however that DL no longer has a lease on it. The tool room and all of the shop equipment have been moved to the line and other stations. We've received much of it in SLC. We are slated to get some more ground support vehicles from them in the next few weeks. So it's still in a transition phase and I don't doubt you saw the equipment there, but it won't be there much longer.

DL757Md



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User currently offlineQF108 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Cheers guys thanks for the info on the hangars and that closed off area next to 25R.

Regards
Mark



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