DFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3066 times:
I have a question if anyone out there has any info.
I work for AA, and was calling BA to ask about loads on this flight BA 294 IAH-ORD-LHR (to nonrev on BA). I talked to a really helpful agent, so I asked him how does it work, as in, how likely would it be that I get offloaded in ORD, or rather would I be cleared the whole way if I was cleared in IAH. I was thinking, it would be smarter probably to catch one of the nonstops to LGW though I'd prefer to fly to LHR. If anyone has input on this question, please fill me in, but read on... And if you're thinking, why don't I fly my own airline to LHR, well I just want to try a BA transatlantic flight.
His answer surprised me, and brought up a question I want to ask here. He said this flight is marketed for IAH, and stops in ORD, mostly as a technical stop, because you can't fly IAH-LHR due to the rules. He says, that yes, people do board in ORD, but they manage to sell the flight with a very high percentage of the seats being boarded in IAH, since it wouldn't make sense to fly empty IAH-ORD. In fact, for the day in question, he said it was overbooked out of IAH, so nobody would be boarding in ORD.
I'm just curious how they manage to do this? It sounds brilliant, but if anyone knows any of the details behind it, I would love to hear it.
TymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3042 times:
The flight is marketed from both IAH and ORD. More seats would go to IAH simply because there's the market for the service, primarily because of connections out of LHR to oil destinations. If the flight, overall is oversold, IAH will generally board all revenue pax for the flight (but not non-rev) and have ORD deal with the oversales situation. (Since there are 3 ORD BA LHR flights, it's easier for ORD to deny boarding as opposed to IAH).
If you're asking how BA manage to designate more seats from IAH than from ORD, it's easy...that's why there's a revenue management department!
Just as an aside, Houston and Chicago both had teams in the baseball championships last year. That made for a nice "rivalry" between the two stations with engineers "taping" messages to the belly of the aircraft that would fly IAH-ORD-IAH and other fun things.
Xen From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2935 times:
- if you fly BA to LHR you'll go through T3 where BA use the AA lounges. Unless you want to see how awful they are, it's best to fly through T4 and use BA's premium ones (I assume that non rev can do so);
- I'm not a huge fan of BA but they are so much better than AA that you'll might never want to fly with AA again !
Mutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2914 times:
Quoting Xen (Reply 4): if you fly BA to LHR you'll go through T3 where BA use the AA lounges. Unless you want to see how awful they are, it's best to fly through T4 and use BA's premium ones (I assume that non rev can do so);
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32008 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2905 times:
Quoting Mutu (Reply 5): Quoting Xen (Reply 4):
if you fly BA to LHR you'll go through T3 where BA use the AA lounges. Unless you want to see how awful they are, it's best to fly through T4 and use BA's premium ones (I assume that non rev can do so);
On the MIA option sure but not for IAH/ORD
MIA passengers can now use the Cathay Pacific lounge at T3, which is arguably nicer than what BA has at T4.
Ready4Pushback From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2854 times:
I did this flight last year but only the LHR/ORD routes - not on to IAH.
The flights went and came back to T4, which was great I thought.
The outbound flight was on a Tuesday morning and wasn't full, but it was pretty much getting there (in all classes as far as I could see - I flew WTP).
The return flight was one of 3 on the following Sunday, all returning an hour apart from each other. I chose the second flight. I was there when the first flight left and it seemed busy. I noticed that the gate was still full of people though after it left. The aircraft for my flight then arrived and when they called it to board there was only about 5 of us getting on!! I was shocked. Obviously the rest of the people at the gate were waiting for the last flight.
So the return flight really was about 10% full. Maybe becuase it was a Sunday?
BA were really good, btw, I really enjoyed the flight (except my PTV was working on the way out), but the service was really good and both flights nicely on time.
No. AA and BA, since they are Oneworld partners have a ZED exchange program that has no option for premium class. This is now basically the standard, at least from my perspective. At AA we have ZED agreements with more airlines than we have ID90s, as the ID90s seem to be going away. I'm glad too, because ZED is so much cheaper.
I did fly with a friend a couple years ago non-rev DFW-LGW on BA2192. They put us in WTP, which I was amazed. I had no idea we could get anything other than WTR (World Traveller Rear). I have seen the ORD and IAH-ORD flights go into Terminal 4, so that's another reason to try it. I've been to T4 once, when I was flying ClubEurope to Paris, and did it so long ago, while in college, that I didn't really know enough to appreciate it!