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Northwest Orient Pulling Out Of MSY In Mid 80's

TheFlyGuy2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Hi,

I was just looking at two Northwest Orient timetables from September of 1984 and April of 1985 and noticed something. They served MSY in September of 1984 but completely withdrew from MSY in April of 1985. Why is that? Not Profitable? Too much competition?

Thanks,

Andy

[Edited 2006-04-02 23:24:07]

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Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Merger with Republic Airlines at about that time period.

You can cut the irony with a knife

USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3266 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 1):
Merger with Republic Airlines at about that time period.

The merger with RC wasn't until 1986. PIT was also completely abandoned in about 1984 as well. NW had a long tradition here before that, starting service in 1948. I've often wondered why NW dropped it in the 1980s before the RC merger.

It's a Great Day for Hockey!

MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2609 times:

Pan Am did the same thing with MSY.

It seems that they served the city from the 1930's through the 1970's. Sometime in the 70's they left and did not return until the NA merger. After the merger they were here until 1984...they left in '85...came back in '88 and stayed until '91 when they went under.

TheFlyGuy2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Can anyone give the exact date NW pulled out of MSY? It must have been with in the 6 month period.

TheFlyGuy2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Come on, can't anyone look at a timetable and see when they pulled out of MSY? I am sure someone has one.

Thanks

TheFlyGuy2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

I just need to know the exact date NW left.

MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting TheFlyGuy2 (Reply 6):
I just need to know the exact date NW left

That's probably not as easy a question as you'd think it would be. I'm sure your question would be answered by now if someone knew. I can't offer much help since the first NWA timetable I have is from '90.

USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3266 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2300 times:

The earliest NW timetable I have is from 1989, so again, can't help you. Why don't you try giving OAG a call? They've got loads of info available.

It's a Great Day for Hockey!

Norjet From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

They were out of MSY with the April 28, 1985 schedule.

Out of PIT with the April 29, 1984 schedule.

You also see a gradual drawdown of ORD operations to places like CLE and Florida with a corresponding increase of MSP flying to PHX, OMA, DFW and such. More heavies moving to Asian/European routes to increase frequencies and coming off domestic legs as a result, again mostly at the expense of the Chicago ops.

--Scott

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Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Northwest never left New Orleans, flying to Chicago 2 or 3 times a day

I can't explain what the timetable says, but their aircraft never stopped coming.

Worked for too many airlines to list. Banktupcy after bankruptcy after bankruptcy.

USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3266 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Quoting Norjet (Reply 9):
Out of PIT with the April 29, 1984 schedule.

Thanks. Now I know when every major airline started and/or stopped service to PIT.

It's a Great Day for Hockey!

Norjet From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

They were well and truly out of there from April 1985 until the Republic merger; two years' worth of intermediate timetables can't be a mistake...

NW after RC actually extended Airlink ops out of MSY to regional centers for a while, very much a "Southern" strategy, but didn't last long. They never built up mainline service to non-hub cities to allow for connecting traffic to places like SHV, MOB. Resuming Chicago flights (MDW?) would've been a great idea as neither UA nor AA were interested in connecting those dots.

--Scott

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MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Anyone know when the Northwest Orient 757's flew into MSY? I remember seeing them sometime in the late 80's on a nearly daily basis.

TheFlyGuy2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

ORD service stayed pretty much constant through the first half of the 80's. Then on merger day (October 1, 1986)- According to an October OAG I own, they kept the same flights in and out of ORD except the following:

They stoped the ORD-MSN, ORD-RST, and ORD-BIL

They added: ORD-MEM

The schedule stayed the same then out of ORD until 1988 or so. (Again- Referencing a Dec. 1988 OAG that shows a moderate decrease in ORD service)

Andy

P.S. Now Delta stayed loyal to ORD longer than NW. In the 1988 OAG DL still served the same amount of cities they served from 1980-1987. In fact, they served two additional cities.

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