CIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2512 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8039 times:
Why is it that none of the major US carriers fly to Iceland? I would think this would be a popular spot to visit during the summer tourist season. At the very least Icelandair should be part of one of the major alliances so people could connect to them. Anyone's thoughts on this?
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8009 times:
The US-Iceland market is rather limited - a large percentage of pax travelling on flights between the US and Iceland are connecting to/from flights from European destinations........some pax stopover in Iceland for a day or so, others simply connect. Icelandair has the market covered, and the market is too small to interest a US carrier. Pan Am flew to Iceland for years, once or twice per week, with 707s and later 747s, the flight orignated at JFK, continued to Iceland, and then went on to either Glasgow and/or destinations in Scandanavia; it was dropped in the early 1970s after the first fuel crisis. I think that NW tried service to Iceland very briefly, after they picked up unused authorities to Europe and started service from JFK and BOS to Northern Europe and Scandanavia......the service to Iceland did not last very long.
I did the stopover thing in Iceland about 10 years ago.......I found the country interesting and beautiful, great for a stopover but not much to do after a couple of days, unless one is really into nature. Its a small country, small population......and tourist facilities were somewhat limited. Its simply not a mainstream tourist destination.
That being said, low fare service between London and Iceland was introduced a couple of years ago, and it was a success, so anything can happen?! In general, a destinaton that cannot support daily service in/out of a hub is of limited interest to US carriers.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7996 times:
Traffic to/from Iceland is very specific. Icelandair has the important routes quite well covered, and has several inter-line agreements with airlines in the U.S.
Iceland has less than a million people and is NOT a prime destination for sun seekers - except perhaps in summer when it is daylight for virtually 24 hours. It is also a fairly expensive place, as most things obviously have to be imported.
If you fly Icelandair, you can get a free stopover from the airline, and maybe some kind of a deal on hotel package. Iceland is an amazing place to visit, but it is quite different from anywhere else, and as such, simply does not have the high demand that other places will have.
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IcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7733 times:
From the O&D perspective, because it isn't a sunny hotspot and is enormously expensive with fewer than 300,000 residents, FI can cover traffic easily, especially with the US where there is less ecotravel interest than Europe. In theory, KEF could act between the US and Europe as DXB does between Europe and Asia. However, several problems exist.
A) Fuel prices are making it increasingly more difficult to have prices low enough to warrant a stopover in Iceland.
B) KEF is a full 45 minutes from Reykjavik and, though it's a nice and modern airport, is not particularly exciting.
c) Iceland is a wealthy country to be sure, but oil money allowed lots of opportunity investment for DXB and Emirates allowing them to establish a product. The same goes for SQ and Changi even further back. Even so, the FI group has made significant investments in airlines like easyJet, Sterling, and Finnair and has attempted a majority ownership of Finnair (hasn't gone through because the Finnish government is hesitant of overseas ownership) and even attempted a full buyout of AeroMexico and Mexicana when they went up for sale. The company has purchased 15 737-800s for leasing purposes and has 2 788s on the way in hopes of creating an attractive US-Europe product. Basically, FI is trying to diversify as much as possible in hopes of staging a threat to trans-atlantic travel, but as of now Iceland is too small to support such an investment. Time will tell.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6862 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7540 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3): I think that NW tried service to Iceland very briefly, after they picked up unused authorities to Europe and started service from JFK and BOS to Northern Europe and Scandanavia......the service to Iceland did not last very long.
Seriously, go back to the period when NW first introduced service to Europe, most of the routes were ex JFK and BOS to Scotland and the Scandic countries....we are talking in the 1970s.......before hubs, etc. NW flew a bunch of bizarre routes to Europe that did not last very long and KEF was among the destinations served.....it lasted only a few months.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7400 times:
I can think of three main reasons why no US carriers fly to Iceland ...
1 / yield
2 / yield
3 / yield
Icelandair have carved out a nice niche for themselves based on giving an Iceland stopover to connecting traffic from Europe to USA and vv , in contrast a US carrier would be relying a lot more on O&D traffic between the US and Iceland ... not a huge market
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IcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6963 times:
Quoting AirA380 (Reply 16): Because it too cold.....Ice land say it all...lol
I think US carrier are waiting for global warming to take place before they come ice land Smile
To be a total smartass for a minute, Iceland is a single word. Iceland. Not Ice Land. Also, Iceland sits smack dab in the middle of the gulf stream meaning winters are cool with barely any permanent snow and summers are comfortably warm without being too hot. To be a further smartass, global warming would mean the gulf stream would cease to flow meaning Iceland would turn into an icecube in a matter of years.
Per capita, tourist numbers in Iceland are similar to Spain, France, the UK, and all other major tourist countries in Europe thanks to Reykjavik which is a phenomenal city to visit, even though it is rather small, a very developed tourist infrastructure, and myriad natural wonders found nowhere else in Europe. Tourist numbers have been increasing 10%+ each year so don't count it out as the Siberia of Scandinavia.
Still, Iceland remains more of a destination for Europeans than Americans which is one reason you don't see US Airlines flying to Iceland.
TristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4309 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6643 times:
I was in Keflavik last month. I was checking out the deicing service for the new BA service there from LGW. It was 5 Mar and the deicing trucks were at the back of the garage. We haven't used them since last year! said my man. So mild it is in the winter, but it is also mild in the summer. Amazing place. No trees, and black volcanic rock everywhere.
You have to be an outdoor type to appreciate the views and the glaciars, the beer ic too expensive!
CIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6523 times:
Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 20): Oh really? Because I remember distinctly a topic on this a few months back... and why should I be searching for YOU anyway? (lol)
Well, really, I don't remember or recall seeing that, and as I said I did a search and did not come up with anything. I have also seen numerous threads where others provide the link, its a matter of being helpful to others on this site interested in the topic.
I can understand if the post was recently like same day or a week, but when it was months ago (supposedly) that is a different matter.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6479 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10): Seriously, go back to the period when NW first introduced service to Europe, most of the routes were ex JFK and BOS to Scotland and the Scandic countries....we are talking in the 1970s.......before hubs, etc. NW flew a bunch of bizarre routes to Europe that did not last very long and KEF was among the destinations served.....it lasted only a few months.
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11): I know the period you which you are refering. Northwest never flew to Iceland during any period.
It was on the route map in 1979.
Worst route maps ever.
Asterisk. Authorized routes. Not operated routes.
In addition to Reykjavik, it also showed Helsinki, Bergen, Stavanger and Goteborg....cities they did not serve.
Also showed Los Angeles-Glasgow, Hong Kong-Okinawa, Portland-Hilo, Chicago-Copenhagen, and JFK-Anchorage among other bogus routes.
Half the routes on this map didn't exist. But they did have what I consider the most classic DC10 route ever, SEA-GEG-GTF-BIL-ORD-DTW-EWR.
Yep, on a 10!
But they didn't stinkin' serve Iceland!
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