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Why No US Carriers To Iceland?  
User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2221 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Why is it that none of the major US carriers fly to Iceland? I would think this would be a popular spot to visit during the summer tourist season. At the very least Icelandair should be part of one of the major alliances so people could connect to them. Anyone's thoughts on this?

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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6796 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Thread starter):
Anyone's thoughts on this?

The search button is your closest freind.



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User currently offlineBA747YYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

Icelandair has the gap for the market covered and let's face it no other carrier could send anything mor than a dash-8 and still make money.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

The US-Iceland market is rather limited - a large percentage of pax travelling on flights between the US and Iceland are connecting to/from flights from European destinations........some pax stopover in Iceland for a day or so, others simply connect. Icelandair has the market covered, and the market is too small to interest a US carrier. Pan Am flew to Iceland for years, once or twice per week, with 707s and later 747s, the flight orignated at JFK, continued to Iceland, and then went on to either Glasgow and/or destinations in Scandanavia; it was dropped in the early 1970s after the first fuel crisis. I think that NW tried service to Iceland very briefly, after they picked up unused authorities to Europe and started service from JFK and BOS to Northern Europe and Scandanavia......the service to Iceland did not last very long.

I did the stopover thing in Iceland about 10 years ago.......I found the country interesting and beautiful, great for a stopover but not much to do after a couple of days, unless one is really into nature. Its a small country, small population......and tourist facilities were somewhat limited. Its simply not a mainstream tourist destination.

That being said, low fare service between London and Iceland was introduced a couple of years ago, and it was a success, so anything can happen?! In general, a destinaton that cannot support daily service in/out of a hub is of limited interest to US carriers.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2221 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 1):
The search button is your closest freind.

Seriously, if you are going to suggest that, please at least be helpful and provide a link to the so called discussion, because when I DID search, this is what I came up with

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...arriers+to+iceland&search_order=id

basically, "Sorry, but we were unable to find any matching posts.
Please check your spelling and read the help section below." So obviously I was not able to find anything. thanks

[Edited 2006-04-03 02:30:15]

[Edited 2006-04-03 02:31:38]

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

Traffic to/from Iceland is very specific. Icelandair has the important routes quite well covered, and has several inter-line agreements with airlines in the U.S.

Iceland has less than a million people and is NOT a prime destination for sun seekers - except perhaps in summer when it is daylight for virtually 24 hours. It is also a fairly expensive place, as most things obviously have to be imported.

If you fly Icelandair, you can get a free stopover from the airline, and maybe some kind of a deal on hotel package. Iceland is an amazing place to visit, but it is quite different from anywhere else, and as such, simply does not have the high demand that other places will have.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6614 times:

I would think Continental could do a couple times a week EWR-KEF 73G ? Although that sounds like an expensive operation.

'902



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User currently offlineIcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

From the O&D perspective, because it isn't a sunny hotspot and is enormously expensive with fewer than 300,000 residents, FI can cover traffic easily, especially with the US where there is less ecotravel interest than Europe. In theory, KEF could act between the US and Europe as DXB does between Europe and Asia. However, several problems exist.
A) Fuel prices are making it increasingly more difficult to have prices low enough to warrant a stopover in Iceland.
B) KEF is a full 45 minutes from Reykjavik and, though it's a nice and modern airport, is not particularly exciting.
c) Iceland is a wealthy country to be sure, but oil money allowed lots of opportunity investment for DXB and Emirates allowing them to establish a product. The same goes for SQ and Changi even further back. Even so, the FI group has made significant investments in airlines like easyJet, Sterling, and Finnair and has attempted a majority ownership of Finnair (hasn't gone through because the Finnish government is hesitant of overseas ownership) and even attempted a full buyout of AeroMexico and Mexicana when they went up for sale. The company has purchased 15 737-800s for leasing purposes and has 2 788s on the way in hopes of creating an attractive US-Europe product. Basically, FI is trying to diversify as much as possible in hopes of staging a threat to trans-atlantic travel, but as of now Iceland is too small to support such an investment. Time will tell.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6402 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 5):

Iceland has less than a million people

Actually just over a quarter of that - according to the CIA:

Quote:
Population 296,737 (July 2005 est.)

. Geneva (the city, not the Canton) has more than that, and the only reason we have two (JFK and EWR) flights is because of the UN business!


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6339 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6297 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
I think that NW tried service to Iceland very briefly, after they picked up unused authorities to Europe and started service from JFK and BOS to Northern Europe and Scandanavia......the service to Iceland did not last very long.

NWA never flew to Iceland!!!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):

NWA never flew to Iceland!!!

Seriously, go back to the period when NW first introduced service to Europe, most of the routes were ex JFK and BOS to Scotland and the Scandic countries....we are talking in the 1970s.......before hubs, etc. NW flew a bunch of bizarre routes to Europe that did not last very long and KEF was among the destinations served.....it lasted only a few months.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6339 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6182 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
NW flew a bunch of bizarre routes to Europe that did not last very long and KEF was among the destinations served.....it lasted only a few months.



I know the period you which you are refering. Northwest never flew to Iceland during any period.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6157 times:
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I can think of three main reasons why no US carriers fly to Iceland ...


1 / yield
2 / yield
3 / yield

Icelandair have carved out a nice niche for themselves based on giving an Iceland stopover to connecting traffic from Europe to USA and vv , in contrast a US carrier would be relying a lot more on O&D traffic between the US and Iceland ... not a huge market



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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Iceland's population as of the December 2005 census was 299,404. That's just smaller than the Killeen-Temple metro area in Texas, which is currently served only by CoEx and AAEagle.

That should answer your question.



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User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6065 times:

I'd really like to see them add one more route, preferably an ORD/MKE/DTW flight, but yeah...there's really no point in any American airline offering service.



User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4913 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5856 times:

I dont think Iceland is a good market to open at the moment. The economy seems to be in a bit of trouble acording the Sunday newspapers in the UK


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User currently offlineAirA380 From Bangladesh, joined Mar 2006, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Thread starter):
Why is it that none of the major US carriers fly to Iceland?

Because it too cold.....Ice land say it all...lol

I think US carrier are waiting for global warming to take place before they come ice land  Smile

On serious node I don't think USA and ice land generates that many passengers.



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5786 times:

I think there was a surge of US visitors to Iceland was when Playboy had a women of Iceland pictorial and article, or something like that.  Smile


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User currently offlineIcelandairMSP From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5720 times:

Quoting AirA380 (Reply 16):
Because it too cold.....Ice land say it all...lol

I think US carrier are waiting for global warming to take place before they come ice land Smile

To be a total smartass for a minute, Iceland is a single word. Iceland. Not Ice Land. Also, Iceland sits smack dab in the middle of the gulf stream meaning winters are cool with barely any permanent snow and summers are comfortably warm without being too hot. To be a further smartass, global warming would mean the gulf stream would cease to flow meaning Iceland would turn into an icecube in a matter of years.
Per capita, tourist numbers in Iceland are similar to Spain, France, the UK, and all other major tourist countries in Europe thanks to Reykjavik which is a phenomenal city to visit, even though it is rather small, a very developed tourist infrastructure, and myriad natural wonders found nowhere else in Europe. Tourist numbers have been increasing 10%+ each year so don't count it out as the Siberia of Scandinavia.
Still, Iceland remains more of a destination for Europeans than Americans which is one reason you don't see US Airlines flying to Iceland.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

Quoting IcelandairMSP (Reply 18):
To be a total smartass for a minute, Iceland is a single word

Totally agree with your thread! You should have suggested that he go visit 'Greenland' instead
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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 4):

Oh really? Because I remember distinctly a topic on this a few months back... and why should I be searching for YOU anyway? (lol)  Smile



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3929 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5400 times:

I was in Keflavik last month. I was checking out the deicing service for the new BA service there from LGW. It was 5 Mar and the deicing trucks were at the back of the garage. We haven't used them since last year! said my man. So mild it is in the winter, but it is also mild in the summer. Amazing place. No trees, and black volcanic rock everywhere.
You have to be an outdoor type to appreciate the views and the glaciars, the beer ic too expensive!


User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5371 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 1):
The search button is your closest freind.

I don't understand what the big deal is.

The people who are so quick to yell: "This has already been discussed."

So what? If you don't want to read the post, no one is making you.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2221 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 20):
Oh really? Because I remember distinctly a topic on this a few months back... and why should I be searching for YOU anyway? (lol)

Well, really, I don't remember or recall seeing that, and as I said I did a search and did not come up with anything. I have also seen numerous threads where others provide the link, its a matter of being helpful to others on this site interested in the topic.
I can understand if the post was recently like same day or a week, but when it was months ago (supposedly) that is a different matter.

Quoting N702ML (Reply 22):
I don't understand what the big deal is.

The people who are so quick to yell: "This has already been discussed."

So what? If you don't want to read the post, no one is making you.

Thank you N702ML, my sentiments exactly!  Smile


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
Seriously, go back to the period when NW first introduced service to Europe, most of the routes were ex JFK and BOS to Scotland and the Scandic countries....we are talking in the 1970s.......before hubs, etc. NW flew a bunch of bizarre routes to Europe that did not last very long and KEF was among the destinations served.....it lasted only a few months.



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
I know the period you which you are refering. Northwest never flew to Iceland during any period.

It was on the route map in 1979.
Boston-Reykjavik-Glasgow
Worst route maps ever.
Asterisk. Authorized routes. Not operated routes.

In addition to Reykjavik, it also showed Helsinki, Bergen, Stavanger and Goteborg....cities they did not serve.

Also showed Los Angeles-Glasgow, Hong Kong-Okinawa, Portland-Hilo, Chicago-Copenhagen, and JFK-Anchorage among other bogus routes.

Half the routes on this map didn't exist. But they did have what I consider the most classic DC10 route ever, SEA-GEG-GTF-BIL-ORD-DTW-EWR.
Yep, on a 10!

But they didn't stinkin' serve Iceland!



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25 Klwright69 : I think this this topic has been well covered, especially by IcelandAirMSP... I was in Iceland summer before last... It is a country everyone should v
26 MrMcCoy : We frequently use Iceland as a service stop for aircraft delivery ferries to and from Europe and the USA.
27 Post contains images ILSApproach : Just thinking that too....... Iceland.................great place to stop for fuel Mike @ MSP
28 Post contains images ClassicLover : I was there for four days last April. Brilliant country, nice people, and to save money eat fast food each day ... Everyone speaks English and the la
29 Bobnwa : Thanks for the reinforcement!!
30 Ptcflyer : My family and I did Iceland two summers ago... during the $57 round trip fare from JFK offered on Icelandair... or mistakenly offered on Icelandair. R
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